Posted on 11/24/2021 3:55:57 AM PST by MtnClimber
And this explains a lot. Some of us are wilting flowers.
I do not know what you know about the case, but I do know what I know about the case, and from the base of knowledge I have, I can only explain your position as being one of either ignorance or bad reasoning.
Both are a very common problem in the world today, not just with Juries but with politicians, "news" people, and even medical people who are pushing the experimental gene therapy while calling it a "vaccine."
People don't do due diligence. They leap to an opinion and keep it despite facts that emerge later.
I originally thought the McMichaels were in the wrong, (based on the crap spewed by the news liars) and then I looked at the information available.
This verdict is about fear, and I predicted that it might go this way precisely because people are afraid.
And you managed to outsmart them eh? Nothing about the fact that they are lawyers and knowledgeable gave you the impression that you might be going the wrong direction?
Well, we will not agree, obviously. From the testimony I read to the live video I watched, I made up my own mind.
Life goes on.
I was on a death penalty jury one time. It was 10-2 innocent/guilty. I was one of two guilty votes. I can tell you that logic is in short supply in society in my observation. The other 10 were hopping mad when they found out the other things the perp had done (just not in this specific crime) just before the judge dismissed us. Radio reports today still refer to Aubry as the black jogger in the white neighborhood.
I have been discussing this case since the first time it made national headlines (a year or so ago) and I am flummoxed by all the bad information people keep repeating, the lack of knowledge of important particulars, and the extremely poor reasoning ability, and that's just on Free Republic!
I thought that conservatives would be rational and knowledgeable, but I find many to be just as knee jerk and reactionary as liberals are.
And as you said, they swallow the line of liberal media crap that is fed to them and they don't even realize they have been fed false premises.
Radio reports today still refer to Aubry as the black jogger in the white neighborhood.
When I first heard of this case, I thought those guys were completely in the wrong, but after looking at the information which the media didn't tell us, it is now clear to me those guys should be seen as heroes. They did exactly the right thing, but the political winds were completely against them and the media lie machine went to work poisoning the minds of the people.
And of course, a lot of people who make up juries nowadays are gullible and only want to go along with the crowd.
It is a crap shoot whether you get a good jury or not.
Not even close!
“ and rushed the father (LEO).”
NO sir. The elder McMicheals was in the back of the truck.
Really?
“ There was someone following Arbery filming him”
You mean the third defendant! He was also convicted.
No, this statement is also not correct !
“ The retired LEO and his son were video taped parked pointed the wrong direction partway off the road near the only entrance/exit to the community.”
The entrance was further back, about a mile. They are parked in the loop. If the defendant had turned around (except he was being chased from that direction) he could have run back around the loop and out of the neighborhood without approaching them at all.
Seriously ? How could you get this fact wrong !
“The Retired LEO was standing outside the vehicle on the driver side.“
The elder was standing in the back of the truck.
Not correct here either.
“.His son was outside the vehicle on the other side of the road with the shotgun.”
The son was on the left side of the truck and a few feed in front at first. But as Arbery passes, he moves right in front of the truck and approaches Arbery - with his gun aimed at him.
Charged them? Seriously?!?
“Arbury charged them dropping something like a hammer on the side of the road and rushed the father (LEO)”
Try again.
There were THREE shots.
“The shotgun fired once at what looked to be just in the air and again hitting Arbury. There may have been another shot too, I don’t remember.”
And shotguns don’t just fire - a person has to pull the trigger. A better description would be that the son McMicheal shot Arbery three times.
If you don’t know, keep silent.
“ The truck maay have passed Arbury at some point, I don’t know that. “
They were not police !
“I can see why police just let looters loot, burn and sometimes kill. Too much risk in stopping it these days.”
its tough out there....
I am sure that the victim grabbed the rifle but its a moot point....those guys were out looking for trouble and they found it....
like Rittenhouse, we have to stop putting ourselves in bad situations even with the best of intentions...
You don't know what the hell you're talking about. The reverses-course part is not the last time that's on video but but the previous time (according to testimony). As for running straight at him and plenty of room to go to the side, that can be seen on the video. Look at the video -- VIEWER WARNING: Uncut video of confrontation, shooting of Ahmaud Arbery (News4JAX).
I just heard Giuliani on the radio saying something to the effect that they've been after this guy all this time, and then when there's no video, they claim he charged them. He either doesn't know there's video that shows what happened, or hasn't paid enough attention to it to see Arbery, on the right side of the truck with nobody in front of him, turn sharply to his left and charge at Travis, who had remained on the left side of the truck.
>> Excellent summation.<<
Thanks.
I don't know. Unfortunately there are no newspapers that would print that.
Someone should look at the NIBRS/UCR data. I'll see if the 2020 data is available as I only have from 1991 to 2019. My guess is going to be yes.
Verdict — all guilty. What an evil verdict!
And supported not only by persons on the left but by many persons that I’ve considered my allies on the right. This is a case in which we have enough evidence to see it’s self defense right in front of us, and they don’t even pay attention to it.
I got an explanation from EE Gator that explains it somewhat. In today's political climate, you have to be insane to go after a black guy for anything, and these guys were therefore reckless for doing it.
I think that is the unspoken opinion driving a lot of people's opinions here. I think everyone is saying in their own mind, "Don't you know you can't dare to do anything about a black criminal"?
A lot of them think those men deserve a guilty verdict for being so stupid as to not understand the politics involved.
I know it is a crap shoot. I have come too close to shooting in self defense twice and was too close to being in a mass shooting once (while unarmed). All the idiot arm chair t-ball players have no idea what it is like when you don’t have any idea what the other people are up to until it is long after the fact. If someone places you in a bad situation it is their bad, not yours.
Sorry but other than trespassing, Arbery did nothing wrong. Arbery tried to take the gun away because the goober was approaching him with the gun drawn.
The truth is that he was murdered by 3 rednecks. That’s the way the jury saw it
"Goober", "rednecks" -- your prejudice has been noted. You don't know the facts. Travis remained on the left side of the truck, and Arbery -- with nobody blocking his way and an open path of escape in front of him -- chose to turn sharply to his left and charge Travis: -- VIEWER WARNING: Uncut video of confrontation, shooting of Ahmaud Arbery (News4JAX). .
If you are going to do something, no videos, no evidence, no body, and Bleach...
>> A lot of them think those men deserve a guilty verdict for being so stupid as to not understand the politics involved. <<
Yes, it’s sad. They don’t care about justice. Most of them don’t have a clue about what really happened and won’t bother to find out.
The narrative that three rednecks murdered a black man was what the liberal media said from the beginning, and it even poisons the minds of people on this forum who ought to know better.
+1.
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