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[Response to a ignorant liberal question] Why has no one helped the Palestinians during their fight with Israel? What would happen if someone did help them?
Quora.com ^ | Dec. 25 2023 | Daniel Hamilton

Posted on 12/25/2023 11:40:41 AM PST by daniel1212

Muslim terrorists have tremendous help from their terrorists brethren, mainly Iran, but including godless communists, plus Russia, by which and we daily see what happens as a result:

Hamas has developed a vast arsenal in blockaded Gaza

AP News Mar 25, 2019 — Over more than a decade, the Islamic militant Hamas group has built up a large arsenal of rockets and missiles. It started with crude short-range projectiles and now possesses rockets that can strike virtually anywhere in Israel…

Hamas seized control of Gaza in 2007, prompting Israel and Egypt to impose a blockade on the territory, largely to prevent the militants from amassing more weapons. But the blockade and three wars with Israel — the most recent in 2014 — failed to prevent Hamas from expanding its arsenal.

Gabi Siboni, an Israeli military analyst, said Hamas “has a variety of advanced, precise, and effective weaponry.” He said this includes guided anti-tank missiles and shoulder-launched anti-aircraft missiles, both produced by Russia, as well as some drones.

How Hamas amassed thousands of rockets to strike at Israel

ASSOCIATED PRESS MAY 20, 2021 5:56 AM PT

In the fourth war between Israel and Gaza’s Hamas rulers, the Islamic militant group has fired more than 4,000 rockets at Israel, some hitting deeper inside Israeli territory and with greater accuracy than ever before… a homegrown arsenal that has only expanded despite the chokehold of a 14-year Israeli-Egyptian blockade…

“The magnitude of [Hamas’] bombing is much bigger and the precision is much better in this conflict,” said Mkhaimar Abusada, a professor of political science at Al Azhar University in Gaza City.

Gaza militants stocked up on foreign-made rockets with enhanced ranges, such as Katyushas and the Iranian-supplied Fajr-5, which were used during the 2008 and 2012 wars with Israel..

Hamas has publicly praised Iran for its assistance, The Israeli military estimates that, before the current round of fighting, Hamas had an arsenal of 7,000 rockets of varying ranges that can cover nearly all of Israel, as well as 300 anti-tank and 100 antiaircraft missiles. It also has acquired dozens of unmanned aerial vehicles and has an army of about 30,000 militants, including 400 naval commandos.

[1]

What We Know About Hamas' Huge Rocket Arsenal

Oct 31, 2023 at 6:21 PM EDT

Fabian Hinz, a research fellow specializing in defense and military analysis at the International Institute for Strategic Studies, shared with Newsweek a list of known rockets in Hamas' possession, including

Hinz said the full degree of Hamas' smuggling networks are still not entirely known, but that they extend all the way to Iran, Iraq and Syria and across the waters of the Mediterranean into Libya, Sudan and Egypt, which borders Gaza and its intricate network of underground tunnels. Documentaries over the years have shown the group purporting to assemble parts from water pipes, old grenades from World War I shipwrecks and even ammonium chloride smuggled through Israel itself…

Further highlighting Iran's role, Hinz pointed to apparent intelligence leaks that appear to show the work of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps Quds Force Unit 340,…

[2]

Hamas’ Advanced Weaponry: Rockets, Artillery, Drones, Cyber

“Hamas, with Iranian and Hizbullah logistical support, has mastered the art of sneaking in critical shipments coming from Libya or transiting via Sudan, using generous cash payments to tribes or even bribes to Egyptian military officers,” Hamas expert Ahmed Fouad Alkhatib reported in June for the Washington Institute for Near East Policy…

The IDF identified a Hamas naval commando base with a tunnel extending dozens of meters into the sea. An investigation showed that the beach base containing the tunnel was financed with funds siphoned from the UN Development Agency. For many years, weapons for Hamas have been dropped into the sea in sealed capsules miles off the coast of Gaza…

In the 11 days of the 2021 war, Hamas launched 400 rockets a day, nearly four times the daily average number of launches in 2014. Hamas also launched six suicide drones during the war. All were intercepted by Israel, some by classified means…

The IDF noted that Hamas has “unmanned submarines that operate autonomously and navigate using GPS.”..

Hamas established electronic warfare units that sought to neutralize Israel’s Iron Dome missile defense system and disrupt IDF communications. One of these units was based in the Jalaa building in Gaza City, which also housed the Associated Press and Al Jazeera. Israel struck at least 10 Hamas cyber and electronic warfare targets during the war.

[3]

Gaza is plagued by poverty, but Hamas has no shortage of cash. Where does it come from?

The unemployment rate in Gaza is 47% and more than 80% of its population lives in poverty, according to the United Nations. Hamas, however, has funded an armed force of thousands equipped with rockets and drones and built a vast web of tunnels under Gaza. Estimates of its annual military budget range from $100 million to $350 million, according to Israeli and Palestinian sources.

Since coming to power in the Gaza Strip 17 years ago, Hamas has filled its coffers with hundreds of millions in international aid, overt and covert injections of cash from Iran and other ideological partners, as well as cryptocurrency, taxes, extortion and smuggling, according to current and former U.S. officials and regional experts….

Last year, Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh told Al Jazeera that Iran paid $70 million to the group to support its defense plan. …

After its takeover of Gaza, Hamas also “developed the capability to tax and extort,” said Matthew Levitt, who worked as a senior Treasury official focusing on countering terrorist financial networks. Hamas began to rake in taxes and kickbacks from salaries, sale of goods and smuggling, a sum that now reaches up to $300 million to $450 million a year, said Levitt, now at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy think tank…

In addition to Iran’s support, Hamas has long relied on funds from other ideological allies, including private donations and groups in Turkey, Kuwait and Malaysia, former U.S. counterterrorism officials said…

An Israeli official said that Hamas failed to use the opportunity offered by international aid and other financial assistance to improve the lives of Palestinians in Gaza….“In retrospect, it was a mistake to allow a terrorist organization to control the Gaza Strip. We intend to rectify that mistake now."

[4]

All of which is part of a movement, which Muslims such as Sheikh Raed Salah are part of, which has

the goal of creating a worldwide Islamic caliphate in the spirit of Muhammad…shared, in one form or another, by the Muslim Brotherhood(1) and by the Hamas and al-Qaeda terror organizations….This global entity will amend the Muslim word’s fragmentation into states and constitute part of the conquest of Christianity, Europe, and the West as a whole. Salah, whose doctrine is clear-cut, speaks openly of “the global caliphate whose capital is Jerusalem,” which will be “the last stage in the history of the Muslim nation until the End of Days.”(3)

[5]

And thus HAMAS. as a Muslim (a false religion) entity, is not simply an enemy of Israel (who has the right to the land, having lost their ancient homeland to invader/conquerors, the last of whom gave the Jews a portion back, while the Muslims refused to accept), but to the entire non-Muslim world…

Yet Muslims fight with each other more than any other single nation (Almost all of the human impact of extremist attacks is Muslims killing or injuring fellow Muslims.

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The only hope for peace was born in the Middle East, and whose name (Yeshua/Jesus) thanks be to God.

Footnotes

[1]
How Hamas amassed thousands of rockets to strike at Israel
[2]
What we know about Hamas' huge rocket arsenal
[3]
Hamas’ Advanced Weaponry: Rockets, Artillery, Drones, Cyber
[4]
Most of Gaza is poor, but Hamas has cash. Where does it come from?
[5]
Al-Aksa Libel: Raed Salah and the Vision of a Global Islamic Caliphate
[6]
Islam and the Patterns in Terrorism and Violent Extremism
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To: Jonty30

Or ask a real Lebanese the same question.....maybe some Egyptians too.. Nobody wants them.


21 posted on 12/25/2023 6:35:45 PM PST by davidb56
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To: Jonty30

Pro Tip: The last army to defeat Israel’s was that of the Romans.


22 posted on 12/25/2023 9:45:41 PM PST by epluribus_2
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To: daniel1212
Why has no one helped the Palestinians during their fight with Israel?

What?

The Gazans sure did NOT build all the rockets that they are firing, so 'help' HAS been given to them.

23 posted on 12/26/2023 4:11:41 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: daniel1212

Anything to get rid of them.


24 posted on 12/26/2023 7:42:08 AM PST by Vaduz (....)
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To: AppyPappy
If you spent decades undermining the country (Israel) where you live, no one wants you in their country because you might do the same thing there.

If you spent decades undermining the country (USA) where you live, no God-honoring conservative wants you doing more of the same in their country, but hopes you will come to your senses in making Jesus your Lord.

25 posted on 12/26/2023 2:08:02 PM PST by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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To: daniel1212; BereanBrain; Reily

As a born-again Christian, I believe that Jesus Christ’s offer of Salvation is for All Mankind. This is the only way to avoid God’s deserved wrath in our final accounting with God’s Judgment, whenever that occurs. This is the ‘New Covenant,’ NEW to replace the OLD, not just a supplement or addendum, not my words, but Jesus’ words. The only way for Jews to remain God’s “Chosen People” was/is to accept His Son’s sacrifice and “be Born Again.” Scofield promoted this Notion of Chosen People, immutable in perpetuity thru the Zionist Rothschild-funded Bible. Zionist/Christian Oxymoron pastors like John Hagee carry that message to this day. They do Jews no service to not tell them the truth. Chaos and destruction are the products of Zionism, as designed. Hence, the extreme warning from Jesus in Luke 21:5-38, that Jerusalem was going to be flattened. By 70 AD, the Romans did just that. Building the third Temple with animal sacrifice etc and still want to be called the Chosen People will bring on a special kind of wrath from God. Also, not my words, but Jesus.

There’s been a lot of censorship to keep us ignorant, which we can be forgiven until the Truth is put in front of our faces and we ignore it, brainwashed and ready to sacrifice again our blood and treasure in another unnecessary culling War. We’re being played again by the best of the best FF Drama Queens, Oy, poor us, we’re the only people who have every suffered in the history of Time... just don’t check it out too deeply or you may lose sympathy very quickly. I used to be a Zionist apologist, but no more. I am all for people living in peace and harmony until you start messing up my country, my life. If you haven’t noticed, the “soft” War against a Virus and Open Borders/Free Migration is taking our country down the tubes. Who is presiding over all this but Zionists. It’s not designed to work for the Good of HUmanity. JUst Chaos and Mayhem so people will “beg for the Govt. to save them with a One World Govt. run by these Demons. No thanks. Resist them at all costs.

Demographics of Palestine: 1948 Christian Palestinian Pop was 135,547, <8% of the total in Israel. In 2023, about 187,900, about 2% of Israel’s total pop. So, in the last 80 years, the Christian Palestinian pop. in Israel grew about 0.5% a year.

https://www.cjpme.org/fs_007

Nabka: Ethnic Cleansing after the UN approves The State of Israel as a country, but ignores the Palestinians right to their land and property:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/5/15/the-nakba-five-palestinian-towns-massacred-75-years-ago

USS Liberty 1967 Israel’s crime against our country, with such Friends, who needs enemies.
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Moorer_Report


26 posted on 12/26/2023 6:21:41 PM PST by Sioux-san (NONE OF THE ABOVE)
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To: Reily

A PLaybook from the Rothschild/Schiff/Rockefeller Cabal


27 posted on 12/26/2023 6:28:16 PM PST by Sioux-san (NONE OF THE ABOVE)
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To: AppyPappy

Why should the Palestinians have to move anywhere else when it’s their property and land that was confiscated by the “Partition.” That’s a documented fact. From what I’ve read, the Palestinians still don’t want to move, and are willing to die in this fight. What the other Muslim countries think of them personally is irrelevant, but maybe they agree. TPTB are blowing up the world so the DPs can come to Canada and AMerica and W.Europe, for further Chaos and Mayhem. So maybe we’ll get some of our own Medicine sooner than later about being forced out of our own homes for the Migrants.


28 posted on 12/26/2023 6:46:56 PM PST by Sioux-san (NONE OF THE ABOVE)
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To: bgill

Why should anyone have to take in the Poor Palestinians? Just because they lost land and property in the 1948 Partition, why do they keep crying about it?? Yes, let’s make some lemonade out of all those lemons:

https://henrymakow.com/2023/12/john-hamiliton—israel-gaza-gas-grab.html


29 posted on 12/26/2023 6:50:38 PM PST by Sioux-san (NONE OF THE ABOVE)
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To: epluribus_2

70 AD - flattening of Jerusalem by future emperor Titus - maybe this was the original “Never Again”

https://web.archive.org/web/20231122213804/https://thepeoplesvoice.tv/general-american-troops-die-israel/

https://theintercept.com/2023/10/27/secret-military-base-israel-gaza-site-512/

https://www.defense.gov/News/Contracts/Contract/Article/3480934/


30 posted on 12/26/2023 6:59:57 PM PST by Sioux-san (NONE OF THE ABOVE)
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To: BereanBrain

This puts a lot of things together for Controlling the Opposition:

https://www.bucksafa11.org/2019/05/07/liars/


31 posted on 12/26/2023 8:08:18 PM PST by Sioux-san (NONE OF THE ABOVE)
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To: Sioux-san

They had the partition and then they wanted it all so they attacked the Jews. They lost. Sucks to be them now


32 posted on 12/27/2023 5:18:04 AM PST by AppyPappy (Biden told Al Roker "America is back". Unfortunately, he meant back to the 1970's)
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To: Sioux-san; .45 Long Colt; Apple Pan Dowdy; BDParrish; Big Red Badger; BlueDragon; boatbums; ...
As a born-again Christian, I believe that Jesus Christ’s offer of Salvation is for All Mankind. This is the only way to avoid God’s deserved wrath in our final accounting with God’s Judgment, whenever that occurs. This is the ‘New Covenant,’ NEW to replace the OLD, not just a supplement or addendum, not my words, but Jesus’ words. The only way for Jews to remain God’s “Chosen People” was/is to accept His Son’s sacrifice and “be Born Again.” Scofield promoted this Notion of Chosen People, immutable in perpetuity thru the Zionist Rothschild-funded Bible. Zionist/Christian Oxymoron pastors like John Hagee carry that message to this day. They do Jews no service to not tell them the truth.

As a born-again Christian, I believe that Jesus Christ’s offer of Salvation is for All Mankind. This is the only way to avoid God’s deserved wrath in our final accounting with God’s Judgment, whenever that occurs. This is the ‘New Covenant,’ NEW to replace the OLD, not just a supplement or addendum, not my words, but Jesus’ words. The only way for Jews to be saved to accept His Son’s sacrifice and “be Born Again.”

However, regardless of conspiracy advocates, Romans 11 (see ISRAEL: CHOSEN OR FORGOTTEN?) and relevant texts makes it clear that the natural branches, while lost, are "beloved for the Father's sake," and we are to look forward to the day when the fulness of the Gentiles shall have entered into the kingdom of God, and the curse of overall judicial blindness on Jews will be removed, and all (the remnant that remains) will look upon the Lord whom they have pierced (Zechariah 12:10) be saved, and be part of the 1,000 reign of Christ. Regardless of the rejection of this by Catholicism and Preterists.

There’s been a lot of censorship to keep us ignorant,

Indeed, plus citing censorship by certain teachers to impugn any one who disagrees with them, which opposition is not due to censorship. FF Drama Queens, Oy, poor us, we’re the only people who have every suffered in the history of Time.

Relative to their numbers, the Jews have has an inordinate impact on the world, for good as well as evil, and have been and are being chastened by God (using the devil) due their unfaithfulness to the covenant they assented to, and rejection or their Messiah, and whose judgment is , relative to the light they have, yet not destroyed as distinctive people despite having no homeland for over 2,000 years due to a succession of conquerors, only to obtain some of it back from the last one.

And because the devil seeks to pervert or destroy anything to manifests God's power and promises, thus the Jews have been greatly persecuted in history, as promised by God. However, the instruments of which were also judged for going overboard, and will be

If you haven’t noticed, the “soft” War against a Virus and Open Borders/Free Migration is taking our country down the tubes. Who is presiding over all this but Zionists.

No, it is far from being all presided over by Zionists, which would include evangelicals as foremost supporters of Israel being a state, one that gave almost all the land it gained after being attacked by Muslims who cannot tolerate the very existence of Israel. Meanwhile it is the Left which increasingly supports Hamas and Islam over the Jews.

JUst Chaos and Mayhem so people will “beg for the Govt. to save them with a One World Govt. run by these Demons. No thanks. Resist them at all costs.

That is indeed the goal, yet the most radical leftist who crave for power, even to de-funding police to create their own autonomous rule, are those who deplore both Christians and Jews, since they are the most rebellious against God.

Of course, for devoted conspiratorialist, everything fits into their narrative.

Demographics of Palestine: 1948 Christian Palestinian Pop was 135,547,

And Dec 23, 2018 — Gaza is home to a mere 1100 Christians. While around 1% of the population of the Palestinian Territories as a whole are Christian, the percentage is small in Gaza, where there are around 1,000 mostly Greek Orthodox Christians among nearly 2 million Muslims. [0.05%]

Meaning hardly any actual Christians.

<8% of the total in Israel. In 2023, about 187,900, about 2% of Israel’s total pop. So, in the last 80 years, the Christian Palestinian pop. in Israel grew about 0.5% a year.

Misleading. The 0.05% of Christians in Gaza is due to Hamas refusing to peacefully co-exist with Jews, while the reason for the 2% of Christians in Israel is due to its great growth.

November 22, 2023: The results of new market research conducted by the Arab World for Research and Development (AWRAD)1 among Palestinians living in the Gaza Strip and Judea and Samaria (West Bank):

85.8% supported Hamas continuing to play a role in the Palestinian government – 13.6% supported a Hamas-only government, an overwhelming percentage of Palestinians support the October 7 massacre (75%), reject coexistence with Israel (85.9%) are committed to the restoration of “historical Palestine” as a final resolution (71.1%), and support the creation of a Palestinian state “from the river to the sea” (74.7%) as the end of the Israeli Palestinian conflict. Interestingly, there is more support for the 10/7 massacre from the Palestinians resident in Judea and Samaria (83.1%) than those residing in the Gaza Strip (63.6%).
84% believe that Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) plays a somewhat to very positive role; 79.8% believe that Fatah’s terror wing, the Al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades, plays a somewhat to very positive role; and 88.6% believe that Hamas’ armed wing, the Al-Kassam Brigades, plays a somewhat to very positive function. 98.2% of Palestinians see the U.S. role as unfavorable, 96.7% consider the UK role as negative, and 92.6% ascertain the EU role as unfavorable.
According to the Palestinians, the United Arab Emirates plays the most negative role (96%), followed by Saudi Arabia (95.5%), Egypt (84.6%) and Jordan (75.6%). All these countries have made peace with Israel or consider the possibility. While support for terror organizations is high, 87.3% of the Palestinians believe that the Palestinian Authority plays a negative role. - https://jcpa.org/a-new-poll-of-palestinians-supporting-terror-and-rejecting-peace/

Meanwhile today, even true Christians can safely live in Israel as even handing out tracts is officially legal (though location, location, and evangelism usually would be discreet, and not of children without parental assent) while 75.8% of the Christians in Israel are Arab Christians..

Likely few actual ones, while 20% of Israeli citizens are Arabs, mostly Muslims, with only 14% identifying as Palestinians and live in homes they either own or rent, and are not required to perform mandatory military service. They have equal voting rights and Arabs currently hold 9 seats in the 120-seat Knesset and have also held various government posts, including one who served as Israel’s ambassador to Finland and the current deputy mayor of Tel Aviv. ( Myths & Facts Online - Human Rights in Israel and the Territories) And see The Real Reason Arabs in Israel Do Not Want to Live in 'Palestine'

But the freedom and or life expectancy of a consistently practicing evangelical Christian in most Muslim countries, esp. under Hamas, can be measured in days.

The State of Israel as a country, but ignores the Palestinians right to their land and property: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/5/15/the-nakba-five-palestinian-towns-massacred-75-years-ago

Nonsense. Aljazeera? I will give you https://www.jns.org/jns/israeli-palestinian-conflict/23/5/30/291532/

And During the 1948 War of Independence, over 10,000 Jews living in Judea and Samaria (the West Bank) and the Gaza Strip were driven out or killed and their communities, homes and property destroyed or confiscated.

Even the liberal WP documents:

During the war, around 700,000 Palestinian Arabs were displaced and most of their urban areas were destroyed. Many Palestinian Arabs ended up stateless, displaced either to the Palestinian territories captured by Egypt and Jordan or to the surrounding Arab states; many of them, as well as their descendants, remain stateless and in refugee camps.
During the 1947–48 Civil War in Mandatory Palestine and the 1948 Arab–Israeli War that followed, around 700,000 Palestinian Arabs fled or were expelled.[18]
During the 1948 Arab–Israeli War, around 10,000 Jews were forced to evacuate their homes in Palestine or Israel.[83] The war indirectly created a second, major refugee problem, the Jewish exodus from Arab and Muslim lands. Partly because of the war between Jews and Arabs in Palestine, hundreds of thousands of Jews who lived in the Arab states were intimidated into flight, or were expelled from their native countries, most of them reaching Israel. The immediate reasons for the flight were the popular Arab hostility, including pogroms, triggered by the war in Palestine and anti-Jewish governmental measures.[84] In the three years following the war, about 700,000 Jews immigrated to Israel, where they were absorbed, fed and housed[85] mainly along the borders and in former Palestinian lands.[29] Beginning in 1948, and continuing until 1972, an estimated 800,000 to 1,000,000 Jews fled or were expelled.[86][87][88] From 1945 until the closure of 1952, more than 250,000 Jewish displaced persons lived in European refugee camps. About 136,000 of them immigrated to Israel.[24] More than 270,000 Jews immigrated from Eastern Europe,[25] mainly Romania and Poland (over 100,000 each). Overall 700,000 Jews settled in Israel,[89] doubling its Jewish population.[90][91]

Meanwhile most Arab nations resist Palestinians immigration and refuse citizenship to them, due to their warring nature, being a destabilizing factor in both Israel and other nations, and for political purposes.

but ignores the Palestinians right to their land and property:

Absurd. If the Jews put ‎down their weapons for good, there would be another holocaust: if the militant Muslims in Palestinians put down their weapons used against Jews, there would be a Palestinian state. There were Jews as well as Palestinians in the land, the Jews having failed to fully drive out all the Canaanites, which God thus left there to prove Israel, (Joshua 23:13; Judges 3:1,4) "to know whether they would hearken unto the commandments of the Lord," but the mixtures descending from ancient tribes which a nation in what came to be called Palestinian 1948, but could co-exist peacefully as the Arab 20% of Israel does, if they were not militant Muslims intent on the eradication of Jews, which Hamas has from its onset, and cannot be trusted no matter what they say to the contrary.

USS Liberty 1967 Israel’s crime against our country, with such Friends, who needs enemies. https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Moorer_Report

Sheer one-sided desperation, and ignoring context, and the reality that a likely intentional attack under superiors is an aberration set in stark contrast to Israel as the most reliable ally against fundy Islam which seeks the destruction of both!

Both the Israeli and U.S. governments conducted inquiries and issued reports that concluded the attack was a mistake due to Israeli confusion about the ship's identity.[6] Others, including survivors of the attack, have rejected these conclusions and maintain that the attack was deliberate.[7][8]
In May 1968, the Israeli government paid US$3.32 million (equivalent to US$28 million in 2022) to the U.S. government in compensation for the families of the 34 men killed in the attack. In March 1969, Israel paid a further $3.57 million ($28.5 million in 2022) to the men who had been wounded. In December 1980, it agreed to pay $6 million ($21.3 million in 2022) as the final settlement for material damage to the ship plus 13 years of interest.[9] - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=USS_Liberty_incident&useskin=vector
And so with you it seems like we effectively have a Muslim sympathizer here or an isolationist who at least resents the only reliable friend the US has in the Middle East, which is surround by Arab Muslim countries. For perspective:

Source (many more maps): http://www.jewishwikipedia.info/israelmaps.html

And rather than being unjust occupiers of "Palestinian" land, under overt supernatural attestation of Divine command, the Jews conquered a generationally wicked nation group due to being evil, exterminating most. Later, due to disobedience, the Jews lost their historical land to conquerors, with squatters, and via a succession of which they received most their land back, but not all that was promised them. From what I see, the people latter called "Palestinian" were essentially squatters who could have lived in peace with the Jews, with their own state, but rejected the US partition plan.

When Jews began to immigrate to Palestine in large numbers in 1882, fewer than 250,000 Arabs lived there, and the majority of them had arrived in recent decades. Palestine was never an exclusively Arab country, although Arabic gradually became the language of most the population after the Muslim invasions of the seventh century. No independent Arab or Palestinian state ever existed in Palestine. When the distinguished Arab-American historian, Princeton University Prof. Philip Hitti, testified against partition before the Anglo-American Committee in 1946, he said: "There is no such thing as 'Palestine' in history, absolutely not." In fact, Palestine is never explicitly mentioned in the Koran, rather it is called "the holy land" (al-Arad al-Muqaddash).

Prior to partition, Palestinian Arabs did not view themselves as having a separate identity. When the First Congress of Muslim-Christian Associations met in Jerusalem in February 1919 to choose Palestinian representatives for the Paris Peace Conference, the following resolution was adopted:
We consider Palestine as part of Arab Syria, as it has never been separated from it at any time. We are connected with it by national, religious, linguistic, natural, economic and geographical bonds.
In 1937, a local Arab leader, Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, told the Peel Commission, which ultimately suggested the partition of Palestine: "There is no such country [as Palestine]! 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented! There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria."
The representative of the Arab Higher Committee to the United Nations submitted a statement to the General Assembly in May 1947 that said "Palestine was part of the Province of Syria" and that, "politically, the Arabs of Palestine were not independent in the sense of forming a separate political entity." A few years later, Ahmed Shuqeiri, later the chairman of the PLO, told the Security Council: "It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but southern Syria."
Palestinian Arab nationalism is largely a post-World War I phenomenon that did not become a significant political movement until after the 1967 Six-Day War and Israel's capture of the West Bank.

Yet may they, as with Jews, find peace and fellowship thru the risen Lord Jesus which both religions deny.

As for the poverty of Gaza, you certainly cannot be ignorant of the political purposes behind the "plight of the Palestinians" - which is a result of the Islamic 1948 intolerance of the Jews which Muslims sought to expel since 1948. Whereby some non-supporters of HAMAS are victims the the Islamic refusal to allow Palestinians to become citizens in their country (aside from Jordan), for political purposes. Jordan, and Syria.

Israel comprises just 0.2 percent of the Middle East’s land mass while Arabs of today controls 24 nations... 99½ percent of the ENTIRE Middle East land mass, and Muslims of most surrounding nations have sought to kill or expel push the Jews from their ancient national homeland even before as well as after 1947, when Muslims, which came to be called Palestinians - a name cognate with the Biblical Hebrew Pəlīštīm and used for the land of the Hebrews from at least 450 BC (Herodotus) while the residents of Judea and Samaria were considered Jordanians before 1948, including by themselves - rejected the UN Partition Plan which would have established independent Jewish and Arab states and an international control of Jerusalem. Before that, under the 1922 international mandate the British were to help the Jews reestablish their homeland in the territory.

The Muslims would not tolerated the existence of the State of Israel in 1948 since the Arab community was still seeking to control the entirety of the Palestine Mandate itself, thus five Arab armies attacked Israel when it declared independence. Only to henceforth cry victim when they lost this war and subsequent attempts to drive Israel into the sea as it were.

Palestinians are essentially squatters which never were a nation before 1948, while about 20% of Israeli citizens are Arabs, mostly Muslims, with only 14% identifying as Palestinians, and live in homes they either own or rent, and are not required to perform mandatory military service. They have equal voting rights and Arabs currently hold 9 seats in the 120-seat Knesset and have also held various government posts, including one who served as Israel’s ambassador to Finland and the current deputy mayor of Tel Aviv. ( Myths & Facts Online - Human Rights in Israel and the Territories) And see The Real Reason Arabs in Israel Do Not Want to Live in 'Palestine'

Meanwhile, most Arab nations resist Palestinians immigration and refuse citizenship to them, due to their warring nature, being a destabilizing factor in both Israel and other nations, and for political purposes.

However, despite tiny Israel attempting to live in peaceful co-existence with its surrounding Muslim neighbors, even giving up almost all the land is conquered in victory over Muslim attempts to exterminate them, it is threatened and attacked by such, thus resulting in defensive actions which are invoked by liberals as unwarranted aggression, but which are warranted.

And while I am sure Israel has engaged in some wrong actions, and some discrimination exists, and is far from perfect tenants - including allowing “gay” parades,” they are the victims of unjust aggression by other nations.

...some ask why neighboring Egypt and Jordan don’t take them in.... The two countries, which flank Israel on opposite sides and share borders with Gaza and the occupied West Bank, respectively, have replied with a staunch refusal. Jordan already has a large Palestinian population. Jordan’s King Abdullah II gave a similar message a day earlier, saying, “No refugees in Jordan, no refugees in Egypt.” Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sissi...warned of an even more destabilizing scenario: the wrecking of Egypt and Israel’s 1979 peace deal. He said that with the presence of Palestinian militants, Sinai “would become a base for attacks on Israel. Israel would have the right to defend itself ... and would strike Egyptian territory.” https://apnews.com/article/palestinian-jordan-egypt-israel-refugee-502c06d004767d4b64848d878b66bd3d

And as for the GDP of Gaza, what do you think this would be if the were Chinese and lived peacefully with Israel? Meanwhile,

Hamas spends $100 million a year on military infrastructure.Khatib)... As the residents of the Gaza Strip endure daily hardships due to the dire economic situation in the enclave, their Hamas leaders spend over $100 million a year on the group’s military wing, the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, according to estimates by both Israeli and Palestinian sources. Spending on digging tunnels accounts for some $40 million of that annual sum. By way of comparison, the budget of the last Hamas government, which dissolved in April 2014, was $530 million. - https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-spends-100-million-a-year-on-military-infrastructure/
And as for US aid, much of that is returned via purchases.

Israel ends up sacrificing far more value in return for the nearly $4 billion it annually receives from Washington. That’s because nearly all military aid to Israel—other than loan guarantees, which cost Washington nothing, the U.S. gives Israel no other kind of aid—consists of credits that go directly from the Pentagon to U.S. weapons manufacturers. In return, American payouts undermine Israel’s domestic defense industry, weaken its economy, and compromise the country’s autonomy—giving Washington veto power over everything from Israeli weapons sales to diplomatic and military strategy. When Washington meddles directly in Israel’s domestic affairs, as it does often these days, Israeli leaders who have lobbied for these payments—including current Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu—are simply reaping the rewards of their own penny-wise, pound-foolish efforts.
The Israeli military, often ranked as the fourth-most powerful in the world, has become an adjunct to American power in a crucial region in which the U.S. has lost the appetite for projecting military force. Israeli intelligence functions as America’s eyes and ears, not just in the Middle East but in other key strategic theaters like Russia and Central Asia and even parts of Latin America. Controlling access to the output of Israel’s powerful high-tech sector is a strategic advantage for the U.S. that alone is worth many multiples of the credits Israel receives. - https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/end-american-aid-israel [and that source is actually opposing the amount of aid.]
The only option here is to contend that the US should be an isolationist country.

Friends with Benefits: Why the U.S.-Israeli Alliance Is Good for America by Michael Eisenstadt, David Pollock ...

. The U.S.-Israeli alliance now contributes more than ever to American security, as bilateral cooperation to deal with both military and nonmilitary challenges has grown in recent years... it is a two-way partnership whose benefits to the United States have been substantial. The other, less tangible costs of the U.S.-Israeli alliance -- mainly, damage to Washington's reputation in Arab and Muslim countries, a problem also caused by American interventions and decades of U.S. support for autocratic leaders in the Middle East -- pale in comparison with the economic, military, and political gains it affords Washington.

Israel has also emerged as an important niche defense supplier to the U.S. military, with sales growing from $300 million per year before September 11 to $1.1 billion in 2006, due to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Israel's military research and development complex has pioneered many cutting-edge technologies that are transforming the face of modern war, including cyberweapons, unmanned vehicles (such as land robots and aerial drones), sensors and electronic warfare systems, and advanced defenses for military vehicles. - https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/friends-benefits-why-us-israeli-alliance-good-america

The U.S.-Israeli economic and commercial relationship now spans IT, bio-tech, life sciences, health care solutions, energy, pharmaceuticals, food and beverage, defense industries, cyber-security, and aviation, to name just a few sectors.
Critical components of leading American high-tech products are invented and designed in Israel, making these American companies more competitive and more profitable globally. Cisco, Intel, Motorola, Applied Materials, and HP are just a few examples.
Israel is home to more than 2,500 U.S. firms employing some 72,000 Israelis, according to an estimate by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. Thousands more jobs are supported indirectly by these employers.
The Massachusetts Example
The New England-Israel Business Council released a study that shows that Israeli-founded businesses have generated about 9,000 jobs in Massachusetts alone, and indirectly support an additional 18,000. These companies represent nearly four per
cent of the state’s GDP. And that is just one state. In Beersheva – less than an hour’s train ride from Tel Aviv –American and Israeli companies are working side-by-side at CyberSpark. It is a fast-growing, world-class, hi-tech office park, adjacent to a top academic institution, Ben-Gurion University of the Negev, and not far from where critical public-sector institutions, such as the IDF’s cyber and intelligence units, will soon be located. This unique eco-system is rapidly attracting more American companies to take part in developing the defenses that will protect the new economy. - https://il.usembassy.gov/our-relationship/policy-history/fact-sheet-u-s-israel-economic-relationship/
And not a word from you about the slaughter by Hamas, with thousands of missiles, which resulted in this, as well as the refusal by such rebels to live in peace as the many Arab citizens of Israel can, nor a word about Israeli hospitals caring for people injured as a result of Muslim attacks. Only attacks by Israel are mentioned.

Roughly 21% of Israel’s more than nine million citizens are Arabs. The vast majority of the Israeli Arabs - approximately 83% - are Muslims, 9% are Druze, and 8% are Christian. Some 52% of the Arab citizens live in northern Israel, 20% in the “Triangle” region in the center of the country, 18% in the Negev, and 8% in the mixed cities (Acre, Haifa, Jaffa, Ramla, Lod, Nof Hagalil and Maalot-Tarshiha), 1% in the Jerusalem Corridor (including West Jerusalem) and 2% in the rest of the country.

Arabs in Israel have equal voting rights; it is one of the few places in the Middle East where Arab women may vote.

Arabic, like Hebrew, was an official language in Israel until 2018. That year the Knesset adopted the Nation-State Law, which downgraded the status of the Arabic language from an official state language to one holding a more ambiguous "special status."

The sole legal distinction between Jewish and Arab citizens of Israel is that the latter are not required to serve in the Israeli army. This was to spare Arab citizens the need to bear arms against their brethren. Nevertheless, many Arabs have volunteered for military duty – more than 1,000 in 2020 – and the Druze and Circassian communities are subject to the draft.

Some economic and social gaps between Israeli Jews and Arabs result from the latter not serving in the military. Veterans qualify for many benefits and jobs not available to non-veterans. Moreover, the army aids in the socialization process. On the other hand, Arabs have an advantage in obtaining some jobs when Israelis are in the military. In addition, industries like construction and trucking have come to be dominated by Israeli Arabs.

In 2020, the Jewish People Policy Institute (JPPI) reported “a dramatic rise in the share of Arab Israelis who define their primary identity as ‘Israeli,’ and a concomitant sharp decline in the share who self-identify as ‘Palestinian.’” In 2019, only 35.9% defined themselves as Israeli Arabs compared to 47.1% as Palestinians in Israel and 14.8% as just Palestinians (see also Palestinian Public Opinion Polls).

In 2021, tensions between Israeli Jews and Arabs grew significantly with an outbreak of Arab violence in some mixed cities during the Guardian of the Walls operation in Gaza. For the first time, Arabs and Jews in Haifa, Acre, Jaffa, Ramla, and Lod attacked each other. Arabs are proportionately represented in the Knesset and head all their municipalities, schools, and religious courts.

The national election of 2021 was notable for a radical change in Israeli politics, with the Ra’am Party becoming the first Arab party to join a governing coalition. ... It could have brought down the government at any time if it was dissatisfied with its direction. .... - https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-status-of-arabs-in-israel

It is good you do research, and are born again via faith in the risen Divine Lord Jesus (a Jew in incarnation), and there certainly is a conspiracy of spirit and ideology, and organic ones of to varying and increasing degrees power, however, there are also conspiratorial zealots who usually have an animus against authority in general, at least earthly, and which works against objectivity.

And with such, it should be plain that what was stated in the first century applies today, and will in the future:

For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers’ sakes. (Romans 11:25-28)

(This took me hours to type and put together, but I do not intend to spend much more time on this.

33 posted on 12/27/2023 11:34:02 AM PST by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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To: AppyPappy

Here is a pretty good summary of the events surrounding the Partition Plan. There was never going to be any semblance of Peace with such disparate forces in play in 1947/1948 and to this day, so it sucks to be a Palestinian and it sucks to be an Israeli who is being used and abused to advance the Zionist cause whether they like it or not.
I have no dual loyalties or dual citizenships. I am an American and I deplore our military being used in this Chaos. We have no allies, no one to trust. War is a Racket, according to Smedley Butler, and I agree. Do you believe this is worth WW3?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine


34 posted on 12/27/2023 2:13:12 PM PST by Sioux-san (NONE OF THE ABOVE)
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To: Sioux-san

What is the answer? With so much blood shed, perpetual war until the nukes? Because land for peace has never worked.


35 posted on 12/27/2023 3:41:02 PM PST by Karliner (Heb 4:12 Rom 8:28 Rev 3, "...This is the end of the beginning." Churchill)
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To: Karliner

The answer is the same as it always was: Obey God. Pray for de-escalation. Don’t watch our PRAVDA/TV always pushing for war and lying to us at every turn. Read the Bible for yourself, and then read it again and again. More understanding will come. Pray for Jesus’ level of compassion for everyone, even the Palestinians or whoever is the disfavored one of the day.
Ezekiel was from the Babylonian Exile of the Jews. I just read Chapter 47 again within the context of today’s Chaos. God told Ezekiel about the boundaries of the Promised land for the 12 Tribes, and also about treating well the people who already lived on that land. Obedience brought prosperity. Disobedience brought and brings Mayhem. Well, “he hit me first, and war was/is the only answer.” No, it’s not the only answer. Don’t cooperate with any of Satan’s Chaos.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+47&version=WYC


36 posted on 12/28/2023 12:14:36 PM PST by Sioux-san (NONE OF THE ABOVE)
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To: daniel1212

Much to review and absorb in your response, which I will do. As you noted, there is disagreement whether God’s favor remains on the Jews who rejected his Son then and now. MOst Pastors have been taught in Seminary about the Jews “Once Chosen, always Chosen” - I believe above all else, what Jesus said in the Gospel of John 14:6 “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”


37 posted on 12/28/2023 1:50:46 PM PST by Sioux-san (NONE OF THE ABOVE)
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To: Sioux-san

I’m a Beatitudes, Blessed are the peaceful, for they shall see God, person. Sadly the Blood of Abraham is continuous.


38 posted on 12/28/2023 6:48:17 PM PST by Karliner (Heb 4:12 Rom 8:28 Rev 3, "...This is the end of the beginning." Churchill)
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To: Sioux-san
MOst Pastors have been taught in Seminary about the Jews “Once Chosen, always Chosen” - I believe above all else, what Jesus said in the Gospel of John 14:6 “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

Most evangelical Pastors have been taught in Seminary that the Jews “Once Chosen, always Chosen” as meaning "as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers’ sakes" (Romans 11:28) but in need of salvation, believing above all else what Jesus said in the Gospel of John 14:6 “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. And which a remnant of Jews believe, thank God, as in the 1st century, in which Paul stated "Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace." (Romans 11:5)

Not that I fully agree with Calvinism.

39 posted on 12/29/2023 6:01:28 AM PST by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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