Posted on 12/09/2017 8:56:58 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
Looking for some helpful hints and discussion on Windows 10 update.
I have a G751 Asus ROG computer, which is pretty capable and modern (Intel quad core 4710HQ, 32 GB RAM, NVIDIA 970 GTX), only a couple of years old. I've been using Windows 10 Home Edition happily for the last 2+ years, accepting upgrades as they are pushed to me without problems.
Now comes the Creators Update (the 1703 series of Windows 10), and I have big problems.
First off, MS is pushing it on me, by clogging up my computer with the Windows 10 upgrade download. When I do the upgrade, which I have done is several ways, it is either wholly or partially unsuccessful. Details:
-Doing the upgrade as pushed, just doesn't work. It fails with the error 8007001x.
-Shutting off all startup services and oddball audio doesn't help.
- Using the media creation tool helps a little... the full Creators system downloads, checks itself, says its installing--and then crashes before the first reboot.
- Using this option with the "keep personal files and apps" option crashes at the point where the system should do its first stop and restart.
- Using the media creation tool with the "save personal data but not apps" actually does work... the system installs, and can be booted up. But, none of my drivers work. In particular the ethernet (wired) and ethernet wireless adapters don't work. The drivers are shown as present in Device Manager, but with the statement that they couldn't be loaded.
Fortunately, the rollback feature worked, and I'm back to the 1609 build. But the computer will be forever bothering me with pushing downloads of the upgrade assistant, I fear.
Has anyone else had similar experiences. This is very, very BETA. Previous upgrade experiences have been reasonably smooth.
That is interesting. I’ll check it out in the morning. Thanks!
welcome... kinda seems to be a catchall error
Windows has been well enough behaved that I've just been running Linux under Virtual Box on Windows... up til now.
I haven't kept track of the BIOS changes, and don't fully understand the Secure Boot/UEFI issues. I didn't want to bypass all of that to make a Unix first machine, although I did do that on an older computer, where I let GRUB determine which system I went to.
Thanks, I’ll check out the groovypost link in the morning.
Oh happy day... maybe something like that will happen here.
btt
For real? If I can truly turn off MS spyware and control updates on my own time, might consider 10.
I actually burned an installation disk, but the info seemed a bit contradictory, and I was worried about bricking a perfectly functional setup.
I don’t understand your comments about the licensing info — as far as I can tell, I have what MS calls a “digital license” which is lodged in the UEFI/BIOS data, because I took the upgrade path from a licensed Windows 8 installation.
I did keep existing personal data—that was the option in between trying to keep apps and keeping nothing, and I used the media creation tool.
That tool will fix the problem if there's a misconfiguration of the audio device. It won't work if there's some wierd compatibility issue with the audio driver and the Windows 10 Creators Update.
I'm not aware drivers required changes/updates for Creators Update.
My understanding is that you can control the update process if you have the Pro version, but not with the Home Edition version. "Spyware" is a loose term. I don't use Cortana, I'm not into talking to the computer and having all of that info logged at MS. Another issue with Windows 10 is telemetry. Supposedly it is for checking how the system is running and helping them upgrade its function. The interesting thing is that you can set the amount of data that is sent back, to three levels, "Basic", "Enhanced", and "Full" (recommended default). I use "Basic." At "Full", the computer spends a LOT of time mirroring machine behavior and sending it to MS. Very intrusive, and very compromising of performance.
Now, what some people may not realize is that if they do a manual update, that update will automatically re-enable auto-updates by default. This may be why some report having updates "forced" onto their machines, if they've done a manual update and not re-disabled auto-updates again.
Again, what surprised me was that I was successful in getting the Creators Update installed, but many of the drivers I needed for a useful system were listed as there, but not loaded. It was more than an audio conflict once I got it to install. No internet! Couldn’t look around for improvement.
Yet, Device Manager showed the drivers; just said they couldn’t be loaded.
Put the ASUS in a big bag of rice for two weeks.
Dry it right out.
BTW: you have full control over which parts of the OS you allow telemetry for vs not. I have everything including location awareness turned off on all my machines. I've done packet captures and analysis of packets leaving my machines and can tell you that no, Microsoft is NOT spying on me and no, my machine is not "leaking" data back to Microsoft without my express permission.
The trick with securing Microsoft is the same as with Linux: Don't install & enable the components you don't need and won't use.
I don’t understand any of this but Windows continues to bother me with a new update that must have come out sometime around Thanksgiving.
It continues to remind me almost daily and gives me the option of choosing another time for the installation up to 3 days later, which I continue to take. The update says it will “take quite a while” and doesn’t tell me what it entails.
I don’t know what to do about it.
Did your install finish OK or do you still have the issue?
Internet is slow for me tonight because I'm - yep - downloading an update. You can control that on Home edition by clicking the network connection and setting it to "Metered Connection", so it will at least ask before it clobbers your bandwidth. And guess what - the update resets it, and you have to do it all over again. Lovely.
That's very strange. The only time I've seen that is when the device drivers themselves weren't compatible. Which ROG board do you have again?
The model is G751-JT, Version 1.0. That’s also the board version.
The JT means that it has a 256 GB SSD and 1 TB hard drive. There are other J-suffixes, but they just indicate how the board was loaded up.
Oh dear. Which update? You can tell by clicking on Settings / Windows Update / Update History. If it’s 1703, that’s the one we’re talking about.
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