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1 posted on 10/27/2018 5:51:28 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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Regards whites as “opponents”. Frederick Douglass did not think that way.


2 posted on 10/27/2018 6:03:23 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
We must develop an agenda to liberate Black America and then execute it to the fullest of our ability.”

Step #1;

I do have beef with one thing this guy said,

failed to see the wisdom in ignoring one’s opponents and dedicating oneself to a proactive regimen.

He still sees white people as his "opponents". I say, be American first instead of Be Black first, and all your problems will be solved. After all, this IS the land of milk and honey and whatever.

3 posted on 10/27/2018 6:05:05 PM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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As I expected, the bourgeoning revolutionary standing in front of me failed to see the wisdom in ignoring one’s opponents and dedicating oneself to a proactive regimen.

The author is stumbling in the right direction, but statements like this show that he's still not punched his way out of the paper bag. White people are not "opponents" of black liberation. White people want black America to succeed. White people are quite happy, by and large, to live and let live. Capitalism and free markets are not zero sum games. White people do get tired of constantly being taxed to subsidize other peoples' failures, but black leaders who have moved beyond racial shakedown politics will find no shortage of white allies.

When the sober histories of this era are finally written, long after all of us are dead, the judgment of historians will be that black America was massively betrayed by its leadership after passage of the Voting Rights and Civil Rights Acts. Some things only change in generational terms.

4 posted on 10/27/2018 6:08:11 PM PDT by sphinx
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Black Liberation Theology: highly educated blacks convinced the white man is keeping them down.


5 posted on 10/27/2018 6:08:14 PM PDT by bk1000 (I stand with Trump)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He’s right of course. Black empowerment depends on black improvement and to quit playing the victim. Those who see themselves as victims, remain victims.


6 posted on 10/27/2018 6:09:23 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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“We must develop an agenda to liberate Black America and then execute it to the fullest of our ability.” Although I wanted to exit this discussion after this statement, I take great pains to not appear rude or offensive to our people.”

I’d like to know how many billions of dollars white folks have contributed to minorities in the Republic to help lift them out of poverty. It seems to me his statement above could also be a call for an armed uprising of blacks.


7 posted on 10/27/2018 6:12:46 PM PDT by antidemoncrat
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This part of the black society/culture needs to get the chip off their shoulders and quit with the lies that the “white man’s” laws discriminate against the black man.

Until they do, they’ll be left mumbling in the corner and frequently, falsely accusing everything that doesn’t go their way as some form of racism.


8 posted on 10/27/2018 6:13:24 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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I don’t have the energy, time, or desire to keep black people down. I want them to succeed wildly, beyond their wildest dreams, just because this is AMERICA, and partly because I want them to stop voting for the party that will enslave all of us if they get the chance.


9 posted on 10/27/2018 6:13:37 PM PDT by Hardastarboard (Break it off in 'em, Brett. They've earned it, and you've earned it.)
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“Why I’m Not Worried About White Folk Posing A Significant Obstacle To Black Liberation.”

These black racists are a hoot. Let’s put it another way: you clowns with your glocks held sideways can’t hit the side of a barn.


10 posted on 10/27/2018 6:19:36 PM PDT by sergeantdave (Teach a man to fish and he'll steal your gear and sell it)
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Being a white folk, I know a bunch of white folk ... libs, conservatives, whatever.

Every one of them want black folk - and I'm not referring to agitators, losers, or gangbangers - but normal black folk who work hard and try to make something of themselves, to SUCCEED.

12 posted on 10/27/2018 6:36:32 PM PDT by Lizavetta
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“no one is coming to save Black America”


Probably true. But I think a lot of us would be fully willing to support black America in saving itself.

One of these days we’re going to get this racial stuff sorted out and put behind us. That is going to be a very good day for this country. It also will be the end of the Democrat party as we know it.


13 posted on 10/27/2018 6:36:43 PM PDT by Yardstick
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A few.

For one there are “independent black educational institutions,” and they seem to spend too much energy teaching: “White people are not going to just let you implement your program” ;“They have created laws, rules, and regulations that are designed to keep black people down.”; and “I will never stop showing up when one of my brothers or sisters is harmed by some white person.”

As to the first there is no sense that black educational institutions aren’t just as overrun with Cultural Marxist and socialistic claptrap as much of the rest of academia is. Being racially independent is meaningless if the commies have moved in and moved in to stay. So right off the program that this young man says would be opposed, which the writer sums up as “to do for self”, will be vigorously opposed by BLACK academia both in these independent institutions and in others which are just ordinary colleges.

White Liberals at these last will go along with Black Liberals on this both because they seem to tend to have a negative attitude about blacks being able to do for themselves (which it why they need handouts and give always) but mainly because when you scratch either the Red they are just beneath the surface (though less so now that they don’t have to hide it as much) isn’t just because of blood AND ANYONE doing for themself without needing Leftist is contrary to the progrom of advancing the Left.

And while we’re at it, let us not presuppose that White Liberals came up with things like these talking points the young man regurgitated, they just found their own reasons to believe.

This brings up the next point, that the We vs They that pervades these three talking points is one that some, but not all, of the figures that the writer respects were also pushing. Their elixir which they proposed, being proactive and industrious, may have been one agreeable to actually achieving measurable good but there was still something at times and from certain individuals listed that could still manage to put some the old kibosh on bootstrapping advised and THAT is in line with the second talking point:

“They have created laws, rules, and regulations that are designed to keep black people down.”

We vs They has an interesting effect on people, it encourages them to think in terms of abstract entities and how belonging to an entity confers things upon flesh and blood Persons that may have nothing to do with what those Persons actually face. The “We” has in the past experienced real opposition from without, of the sort that makes what folks whine about these days pale by comparison. The “We” transmits this sense of injury from the Persons who actually suffered to those that haven’t. And so the past wrongs are evergreen, they never wilt and fall from the tree, and because of this Persons are ideologically encumbered by the suffering of their forebears even as they may be lamentably unburdened by the positive examples of their forebears as they look to Liberal solutions and collective responses.

To be absolutely blunt: very few black Persons after the Civil War went on to establish fortunes ... but at the same time very few previously poor white Persons at the time of the Civil War went on to establish fortunes as well. This remained true all during the worst of segregation all across the South when all anyone could do was to do for self or starve (so very few of anyone in that era lived lives if indolence).

So on one level, if men thrown into the mix in destitution lacking education were able to achieve wealth amid terrible opposition are these somehow spurious exceptions that squeaked by white people noticing them?

This is another aspect of these We vs They constructs: as myths, as truisms of belief, they do not admit falsification. Whatever seems to reinforce them is adopted without question as verification even if they’re spurious where whatever might falsify them is seen as spurious.

That poor whites didn’t become rich under similar conditions where poor black people didn’t means that the common circumstances and more or less median abilities are what mattered. Success isn’t about getting lucky and a late 19th century black man who succeeded has something in common with a rags to riches white just as still in rags, black or white, have things in common that have nothing to do with race. The rules and regulations that the second talking point decrys were not enough to stop success while they still existed ... how are they still holding blacks down now that they’ve so disappeared that race mavens have time and energy to be offended by statues or the words to Ebony and Irory?

The We vs They becomes an anchor, a mill stone hung around the neck, a poison for those who drink of it. People become trapped by a reality they’ve never experienced and will never experience because it’s yesterday’s reality and not today’s.

And We vs They underscores the whole of the third talking point. The young man may as well have said “I’m my skin’s, and I’m going to help other people with skin like mine because I assume people possessed by skin different than mine are substantively different from me.”

No, none of that not judging men by the content of their character and what they actually do guff from the Left, no matter if White or black. That’s a hopelessly unhip way to think about race. Just as thinking things change is unhip, or that people don’t inherit alternately suffering or culpability is uncool.

C.S. Lewis, a terribly white fellow one must confess, briefly wrote of people addicted to misery in his tale The Pilgrim’s Regress. These are people who just can’t be properly happy unless they think they’ve got something to be unhappy about. Lewis’ misery addicts were neither described as white nor black, they were just people ... but maybe just maybe were we to observe such creatures as he described how many would be Leftist?


17 posted on 10/27/2018 6:59:03 PM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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If Black America went the way of the wisdom of Frederick Douglas, the USA would have turned out a much greater country. As it turns out, America is on the verge of implosion.


21 posted on 10/27/2018 7:32:13 PM PDT by shanover (...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.-S.Adams)
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"He didn’t comprehend that this assertion means that the onus was on modern-day race men and race women to build independent black educational institutions.."

This statement seems only to allow racism to proceed, segregation wise.

22 posted on 10/27/2018 7:34:01 PM PDT by chief lee runamok (mongrel at large)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If black aren’t liberated by now, and they have been for decades, they should just bag it. This “victim” status is only going to carry their lazy butts for so long, and I am done with it.


23 posted on 10/27/2018 7:36:29 PM PDT by CodeToad ( Hating on Trump is hating on me and America!.)
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The real joy slavery they are in chains is for the democraps. As long as they don’t care about results, they will always be in chains! I have yet to find out what laws are oppressing da Bruthas that they think they should get a pass on?


26 posted on 10/27/2018 8:33:58 PM PDT by Bommer (Help 2ndDivisionVet - https://www.gofundme.com/mvc.php?route=category&term=married-recent-amputee)
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If I remember correctly, the “liberation of Blacks” in Zimbabwe didn’t work out so well.

Blacks weren’t capable of sustaining themselves by simply knowing how to FARM, for God’s sake.

How about: LOOK BEFORE YOU LEAP.

I respectfully suggest that you consider your own survival when wanting to rule, stupid jerks.


28 posted on 10/27/2018 10:27:33 PM PDT by Maris Crane
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He seems....conflicted.....


30 posted on 10/28/2018 3:35:05 AM PDT by trebb (Those who don't donate anything tend to be empty gasbags...no-value-added types)
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He could have probably made his entire argument in two simple sentences, but I think i agree with him. 1. If you face a problem, don’t waste energy focusing on those who oppose you, move forward immediately on actions that lead to a solution, starting with building a team of like minded people. 2. The people who will be part of a successful team are the doers, not the talkers, and they will have the skill sets that lead to success.


31 posted on 10/28/2018 5:23:46 AM PDT by LambSlave
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The author sees white folks as opponents, when it is the left that is blacks’ and everyone else’s opponents. He’s still in the black vs white mode when truly it is good vs evil.


32 posted on 10/28/2018 7:11:05 AM PDT by Blue Collar Christian (Socialism is for losers.)
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