Superior Swedish Sub Eludes Detection & Sinks American Aircraft Carrier USS Ronald Reagan

The Way One Vike Sees It ^ | 2/12/10 | Chuck Henry

[Little Ray]

Its a good sub and the Swedes have been waging a covert ASW war with the Soviets for a long time so they have lots of experience and first hand knowledge. This is going to change how we deploy our Carrier Battle Groups. SSs with AI propulsion are too dangerous for CBGs to risk littoral areas.

One point. Our SSNs are cruisers, able to range the world at high speeds to attack targets. The Swedish SS is essentially a mobile minefield. And I bet its a one-way trip for them for into to CBG to take out the CVN. Our best option is to take out the these units on their way out of the harbor or while they are tied up to the docks - and we have that option.

[Tallguy]

Our best option is to take out the these units on their way out of the harbor or while they are tied up to the docks - and we have that option.

Endurance would be a limitation of a small SSK. It stands to reason. Zap the shipyard with a Tomahawk from an SSN and you'll get the majority of the SSK force.

Remember how the Argentine Navy was operating their CV during the Falklands War, skirting the war zone? We'll likely do the same against any country that has a serious submarine capability.

[Nuc1]

Those damn Orion's were pains in the... The LAMPS were tough too. Other than that skimmer sailors were fish bait. We opted against the Spruance after her shakedown and our skipper told us she was a vast improvement. He indicated she would be quite formidable with a towed array. I know that sorta dates me. I wonder how many improvements we have made since. Many many I would bet.

[Nuc1]

Not the sub’s magnetic field ole bean, rather the effect the sub has upon the earths magnetic field.

[El Gato]

Our best option is to take out the these units on their way out of the harbor or while they are tied up to the docks - and we have that option.

But we won't use it. Not the first time anyway.

The Swedish SS is essentially a mobile minefield

It's quite a bit more than that. But it was designed with Sweden's needs in mind. So it is a creature of the litoral, the area relatively near the shore. But not so near that it can't reach out to take out a CV, such as the Moskva.

And most any country would gladly trade AIP SS's for carriers, on even a two or three to one basis.

We have about a dozen carriers. About a 1/3 of those are unavailable at any given time. Tiny Sweden has 5 of the AIP type submarines. Only 5, but Germanies HDW also makes a small fuel cell powered AIP sub, the type 214, which also comes in a Sterling powered version, similar to the power plant in the Gotland class. The Germans are much less reluctant to export them than the Swedes. (to Greece and South Korea for example, the photo below is the first SK version).

. The Italians also produce an AIP design, and IIRC, the Russians have a version of their Kilo type sub with AIP, called the Lada class, and another less capable version, called the Amur class for export. Japan also has an AIP equiped submarine class, using a Swedish AIP propulsion system, probaby very similar to that in the Gotland class.

[El Gato]

Not the sub’s magnetic field ole bean, rather the effect the sub has upon the earths magnetic field.

Which of course depends on what the sub is made of, as well as it's size. Most are steel, but but some were built of titanium.

[Little Ray]

Has anyone asked the crews how they feel about being “traded.” Motivated is one thing - suicidal is another. Maybe the jihadis would like it...

Still the USN is smart to be training again an AIP SSK aggressor.

[Nuc1]

Alpha’s of my time. Seems like yesterday but it has been a long time ago.

[Diplomat]

I did a little searching around and I stand corrected. It is fascinating that they are searching for the object’s interference with the earths magnetic field. I am not aware of any thing like this being in the fleet, do you know if there are any production contracts for this?

One of the systems I came across suggested that they will get a %20 range improvement using some new approach. That system stated an operational range of a little bit under 15 miles. I would be impressed if they, or anyone attempting this in ocean object detection technique, could achieve those ranges using this technology. This would still be less range than other in service existing technologies.

[Nuc1]

Not to worry ole bean. The P3s were old and obsolete as I was leaving the service. I suspect there is far better stuff in use today. If anyone has present knowledge keep it quiet. Time to play our cards close to the vest folks.

[mazda77]

Just the opposite. Look at the space exploration cuts in favor of a green looking inward objective to change the course of NASA and the end of manned space flight.

My point is it gives the impression that what wew are doing is not working in favor of simpler less expensive solutions so now we need to mothball all of the carriers.

[Eye of Unk]

It doesn’t mean the end of anything.

“Figuratively” there could be an advanced training program using biologicals,seals, porpoises, dolphins, killer whales or for that sake anything. I’m not guessing and I’m not telling the facts either but a trained dolphin will absolutely know if any man made device is in its territory.

Its no fantasy propaganda bit either that we can communicate with certain trained species, in advanced stages there are neural respondent nodes and telemetry that can allow an operator to get a visual feedback in live time, sort of like the latest image mapping lie detectors.

The US Navy has had programs like this for decades, mine detection. Besides its not even remotely difficult to use a pod of killer whales with remote cameras, blue laser and MAD equipment.

The real danger is our carriers being attacked by something disguised using the fastest weapons delivery delivery system, like the Skval torpedo.

[Tallguy]

Still the USN is smart to be training again an AIP SSK aggressor.

I just hope the Navy's OP planning takes appropriate notice of that training...

[Tallguy]

The real danger is our carriers being attacked by something disguised using the fastest weapons delivery delivery system, like the Skval torpedo.

My understanding is that because super-cavitating torpedos require an 'air-gap' in order to pass through the water at high-speeds, they are effectively dumb & blind. IOW's they are a straight-line weapon. I think that they are like a Mach 3 fighter: a weapon in search of a tactical use.

[Little Ray]

Hopefully, there is a career waiting to be made in ASW techniques for dealing with AIP SSKs.