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Pro-Gaddafi Forces Go on the Offensive, Retake Towns & Oil Facilities near Tripoli... then Turn East
Reaganite Republican ^ | March 2, 2011 | Reaganite Republican

Posted on 03/02/2011 4:39:19 AM PST by Reaganite Republican


Forces loyal to embattled Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi scored some strategic gains early today by chasing rebels from at least two towns, apparently in an effort to establish a strategic buffer-zone around the Gaddafi stronghold of Tripoli. They also retook a key coastal oil installation and bombed at least one town in the rebel-held east.

But with Gaddafi going onto the offensive, the escalating level of violence is looking more like a real civil war by the day... this one could get real, real ugly-


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AP:
One of those retaken was the strategic mountain town of Gharyan, the largest in the Nafusa Mountains, which overlooks Tripoli, a resident said, speaking on condition of anonymity for fear of government retaliation. The town fell after dark Friday in a surprise attack, and the government troops detained officers who defected to the rebels and drew up lists of wanted protesters and started searching for them, the resident added.

Gadhafi supporters also have said they were in control of the city of Sabratha, west of Tripoli, which has seemed to go back and forth between the two camps in the past week........

In Zintan, 75 miles (120 kilometers) south of Tripoli, residents said an attack by pro-Gadhafi forces Monday night was the second since the city fell in rebel hands late last month. But, they added, Gadhafi's loyalists were bringing in reinforcements. 

One person in Zwara, which fell to anti-government forces days ago, said guards were posted at every sensitive building and all the entrances to the town. 

"We are threatened every day by pro-Gadhafi forces," the nervous Zwara resident said, adding that a pro-Gadhafi figure met with the town's leaders a few days ago and told them they had "a choice" to go back in to orbit "and he will forget what happened, or else he is going to attack us with military force. He even offered us money."

One sergeant in the Libyan army who is of Tuareg ethnicity and is fighting on Gadhafi's side said the military is divided: "Us foreigners, we don't have much choice. We have to support Gaddafi,"...

"There is nothing that's going to convince Gaddafi to quit," the soldier said. "The only way Gaddafi is going to go is if someone puts a bullet in his head, and I can't imagine that. The soldiers who are close to him would never let it happen."
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As noted here previously, Gaddafi's not stepping down on anybody's orders: the only way this one's going out is feet-first, just like he said from the start. The chance of a protracted, bloody civil war in Libya is now very real. The forces he's got left are loyal, able, and personally vested in the outcome: the rebels remain lightly armed, somewhat disorganized outside of Benghazi, and without a UN no-fly zone, at the mercy of savage air attacks.


The pro-Gaddafi forces' offensive capabilities may appear feeble, yet it is hard to envision the opposition taking the capitol anytime soon, either.  But time is largely on the rebels' side if they can hold territorial gains, take some outside assistance, then start to collect oil revenues from their territory (they currently hold 80% of the oilfields)... thus the sense of urgency and increasingly aggressive strategy of the pro-Gaddafi troops as they aim to put an end to all that while they still can.

Even though things continue to look on-the-balance grim for the regime, almost any outcome is still possible in Libya... up to and including an against-all-odds comeback Gaddafi victory.

Besides expanding territory around Tripoli, pro-Gaddafi forces also pushed east for the first time today, taking a small town and advancing on a large arms depot in rebel-held territory-
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BBC:

Forces loyal to the Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi are moving into rebel territory in the east, taking the small town of Brega.

The BBC's John Simpson in the nearby city of Ajdabiya says the 100-vehicle convoy is expected to advance towards it, and have bombed an arms dump there.......

It has a large arms dump which has been bombed several times by pro-Gaddafi forces.

The loyalists are now only a couple of miles from Ajdabiya, the defenders say.

The rebels are determined to put up a fight but it remains to be seen whether this translates into an organised defence of the city, our correspondent says.

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Interestingly, a British Special Air Service (SAS) unit has already been operating quietly in Libya for over a week, playing a part in evacuating foreign oil workers. But the elite commandos are reportedly now poised to seize Col Gaddafi's 10-ton mustard gas stash out in the Libyan desert... probably not a bad idea at this point.

US Defense Secretary Robert Gates sent a couple ships to the area yesterday, but what the Libyan resistance really needs from the international community -a no-fly zone established over Libya- seems now a non-starter: while the idea's been bounced around the UN Security Council, reality quickly set-in as to just what they'd be undertaking in attempting to control the airspace of a country twice the size of France while facing substantial Libyan AA defenses.


The Russians have called Gaddafi a "living political corpse", but they sure don't seem to have any interest in contributing to such a UN no-fly zone operation, suggesting "sanctions" instead... you know, like the ones that worked so well in Iran. But nobody else down there at the UN has got the backbone to do anything either, while the US and UK's armed forces are already stretched to the limit with other commitments... not to mention our own leadership issues.

As for the embattled Gaddafi regime,  they could care less, anyway: until a recent reconciliation with the West, they've rarely not been under sanctions for as long as anybody can remember... and will continue to do pretty much as they damn well please.


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TOPICS: Government; Humor; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: energy; gaddafi; gadhafi; libya; madman; oil; qaddafi

1 posted on 03/02/2011 4:39:30 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: Reaganite Republican
NATIVEGARB
2 posted on 03/02/2011 4:40:32 AM PST by FrankR (The Evil Are Powerless If The Good Are Unafraid! - R. Reagan)
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To: Reaganite Republican

Does anyone not think Obama would go after Americans in the same manner as Quaddafi? Look what happened at Waco!


3 posted on 03/02/2011 4:41:19 AM PST by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: FrankR

What’s his garb, a leopard skin jumper, fig leaf, or something lol


4 posted on 03/02/2011 4:44:04 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: caver
In Libya, like most of Africa it's a tribe vs tribe maze for the most part. Strongmen will always be in control.

The sooner they bury this corrupt monster Gaddafi, in his Bedouin robes and full military regalia, the better.

Libya Col Gaddafi turned Libya into a haven for anti-Western radicals. Any group, no matter how bloodstained or discredited, could receive guns and cash, provided it claimed to be fighting 'imperialism.'

Col Gaddafi also served as paymaster and arms dealer to the IRA.

Libya gave the Provos weapons and explosives that were used over the years to kill hundreds of people and maim thousands more. In 1984, the Provos were militarily underarmed, underfunded and on their knees - then the rogue Libyan leader stepped in.

He also sent a host of Libyan extremists/martyrs to die fighting for the PLO and the liberation of Palestine. Their coffins came home to Tripoli with an official red carpet and heroes reception, complete with roses, prayers and chants expressing the pride of everyone as a result of these heroes' sacrifice.

All this made him a crucial enemy of the West, causing President Reagan to label him a 'mad dog' and order American bombers to strike Tripoli in 1986.

Col Gaddafi - Libya

Libya - Lockerbie - Pan Am

5 posted on 03/02/2011 5:05:41 AM PST by BobP (The piss-stream media - Never to be watched again in my house)
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To: caver

You forget that Americans are armed to the teeth.


6 posted on 03/02/2011 5:11:47 AM PST by Biggirl ("The Best Of Times, The Worse Of Times", Charles Dickens)
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To: BobP

Confirms what I have always believed, Gaddafi is both EVIL and NUTS.


7 posted on 03/02/2011 5:13:12 AM PST by Biggirl ("The Best Of Times, The Worse Of Times", Charles Dickens)
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To: Biggirl

He did seem really bizarre in the ABC interview... like even weirder than expected:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=J5Dxq5JBOKk


8 posted on 03/02/2011 5:17:33 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: Reaganite Republican

http://annem040359.wordpress.com/2011/02/22/qaddafi-a-defiant-ruler-who-just-plain-evil-and-nuts/


9 posted on 03/02/2011 5:18:08 AM PST by Biggirl ("The Best Of Times, The Worse Of Times", Charles Dickens)
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To: Reaganite Republican

Look for Libya to go into civil war mode for a long period of time.


10 posted on 03/02/2011 5:28:12 AM PST by Biggirl ("The Best Of Times, The Worse Of Times", Charles Dickens)
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To: Biggirl
You forget that Americans are armed to the teeth.

Armed to the teeth is a relative measure. Against union thugs or gang bangers the American people could hold their own. Against and M1A2 Abrams, AH-64 Apaches or just squadron level saturation bombardments by B-52s not so much. Unless you have a patriot missile system parked in your garage next to a battery of 155mm howitzers you are decidedly underarmed.

The key is the military. In Egypt the military sat it out, so the mob won. If the military sides with the dictator, you have what the Chinese did at Tienanmen square. If the military splits, as they apparently have done in Libya, you get a civil war.

If Qaddafi can retake the coastline he will have the country back in six months. If you control the oil you control the country. And if the rebels can't sell oil they can't resupply.
11 posted on 03/02/2011 5:40:23 AM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: GonzoGOP

But unlike in the ME, the American armed forces are pretty much conservative, at least in the rake-and-file. Also with the support coming from the American, that does make a very big difference.

In regards to Libya, Gaddafi is done, and Libya is pretty much in civil war mode.


12 posted on 03/02/2011 6:13:02 AM PST by Biggirl ("The Best Of Times, The Worse Of Times", Charles Dickens)
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To: Biggirl

I too expect this, Biggirl


13 posted on 03/02/2011 6:25:44 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; Delacon; ...

Thanks Reaganite Republican.
One sergeant in the Libyan army who is of Tuareg ethnicity and is fighting on Gadhafi's side said the military is divided: "Us foreigners, we don't have much choice. We have to support Gaddafi,".... "There is nothing that's going to convince Gaddafi to quit," the soldier said. "The only way Gaddafi is going to go is if someone puts a bullet in his head, and I can't imagine that. The soldiers who are close to him would never let it happen."
The time to support a US President regarding the removal of Gaddafi was in the 1980s, and the President was Ronald Reagan.


14 posted on 03/02/2011 7:18:02 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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