Posted on 12/18/2011 7:53:10 PM PST by NaturalBornConservative
Caveat Suffragator Let the voter beware.
- By: Larry Walker, Jr. -
When measuring the top GOP contenders in terms of eligibility under the U.S. Constitution, if I had to choose between the two, I have to admit that I am more inclined towards Gingrich than Romney. Like Mitt Romney, I too was born in Detroit, Michigan, but thats where the similarities end. My parents and grandparents were all born in the State of Georgia, while Romneys father was born in Mexico.
In contrast, Gingrichs parents and grandparents, like himself, were all born in the State of Pennsylvania. So when it comes to the question of natural born citizenship, Gingrich clearly passes the test, while Romneys qualifications are uncertain at best. I dont believe that because Obama was somehow able to skirt the issue, that Romney, and everyone else who follows, should simply be given a pass. Since we learned the last time around, the issue, as it seems, is more in the hands of the voting public than the courts, it is only fair that we know the facts, and make an informed decision.
When Mitt Romneys father, George W., made his presidential bid in 1967, questions were occasionally asked about his eligibility to run for President, due to his birth in Mexico, and given the ambiguity in the United States Constitution over the phrase "natural-born citizen". But although questions arose, they were never fully answered, as the elder Romney dropped out of the race before the matter could be addressed. The New York Times article, Celler Suggests G.O.P. Name Group to Investigate Romney's Eligibility, published on May 15, 1967; lead off with, Representative Emanuel Celler expressed "serious doubts" as to whether Gov. George Romney of Michigan is eligible for the Presidency. However, since Romney formally announced his withdrawal as a presidential candidate on February 28, 1968, an investigation never took place.
United States Constitution Article II, Section 1
Article 2, section 1 of the Constitution states, "No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."
The addition of a grandfather clause in this paragraph says a lot as to the meaning of natural born. The first thing it says is that being born in the U.S. is not enough to be natural born; otherwise the grandfather clause would not have been necessary. The writers and delegates, having been born in the United States, wanted to be eligible for the presidency, but most were the children of British subjects. Knowing that this eliminated them from being natural born, and thus ineligible, they included the grandfather clause, which expired when the last person alive at the time of the ratification of the Constitution died. So, being a native born citizen is not the same as being Natural Born, for if it were, the framers would not have included the clause.
Background: Newton Leroy Gingrich
Newton Leroy Gingrich was born on June 17, 1943, in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. His mother Kathleen Daugherty and father Newton Searles McPherson divorced soon after Newt was born. Kathleen remarried to an Army officer named Robert (Bob) Gingrich, who adopted Newt at the age of 3. Gingrich has three younger half-sisters, Candace, Susan, and Roberta. Growing up, the Gingrich family moved around frequently, like many military families. Bob Gingrich served in Korea and Vietnam during Newt's childhood and adolescence, so Newt had a close bond to his mother. In early years, he also spent a lot of time with Newt McPherson's sister Loma and her husband, and with his grandmother, a teacher, who taught toddler Newt how to read.
In 1953, 10 year-old Newt loved reading and animals. He took a bus to Harrisburg, Pennsylvania to lobby the mayor to open a city zoo, for which he was written up in the local paper. In 1954, his father bought Newt an Encyclopedia Americana which he read night after night. In 1956, the Gingrich family moved to Europe -- Orleans, France and Stuttgart, Germany, at the height of Cold War. In 1958, Newt had an "epiphany" at Verdun, France. At the age 15, he visited the battle site and says later this changed his life. It was at Verdun, that Newt Gingrich decided to become a politician who would prevent such carnage in the future.
Ancestry of Newton Leroy Gingrich
PARENTS His father, Newton Searles McPherson, was born in Pennsylvania on February 24, 1923 and died in October of 1970. His mother, Kathleen Daugherty, was born in Enola, PA on November 20, 1925 and died in Harrisburg, PA, on September 23, 2003. His adopted father, Robert Bruce Gingrich, was born on July 22, 1925 and died on November 20, 1996.
GRANDPARENTS His paternal grandfather, Robert Nelson Kerstetter, was born in Milheim, PA on August 30, 1888. His paternal grandmother, Louise S. McPherson, was born in Pennsylvania on August 1, 1905. His maternal grandfather, Jacob Leroy Daugherty, was born in Pennsylvania around 1890. And his maternal grandmother, Ethel M. Hendricks, was born in Pennsylvania around 1896.
GREAT-GRANDPARENTS His great-grandparents were John H. Kerstetter, born in Pennsylvania on August 24, 1847, and Julia Kabel, born around 1849; Clarence Newton McPherson, born in Winfield, PA on August 16, 1872, and Hattie Treaster, born in Mifflin Co., PA in October of 1879; and Jeremiah H. Daugherty, born in Pennsylvania in December of 1859, and Rebecca J., born in Pennsylvania in November of 1852.
Background: Willard Mitt Romney
Willard Mitt Romney was born in Detroit, Michigan, on March 12, 1947. He was the youngest child of George W. Romney, and Lenore Romney. His mother was a native of Logan, Utah, and his father was born in a Mormon colony in Chihuahua, Mexico.
Mitts father, George Wilcken Romney was born to American parents in the Mormon colonies in Mexico, but events during the Mexican Revolution forced his family to move back to the United States when he was a child. Romney's grandparents were polygamous Mormons who fled the United States with their children because of the federal government's opposition to polygamy.
His maternal grandfather was Helaman Pratt (18461909), who presided over the Mormon mission in Mexico City before moving to the state of Chihuahua and who was the son of original Mormon apostle Parley P. Pratt (18071857). Romney's uncle Rey L. Pratt (18781931) would in the 1920s play a major role in the preservation and expansion of the Mormon presence in Mexico and in its introduction to South America.
George Wilcken Romney's parents were American citizens Gaskell Romney (18711955) and Anna Amelia Pratt (1876-1926). They married in 1895 in Mexico and lived in Colonia Dublán, Galeana, in the Mexican state of Chihuahua (one of the Mormon colonies in Mexico) where George was born on July 8, 1907. They are said to have practiced monogamy. George had three older brothers and would gain two more brothers and a sister. Gaskell Romney was a successful carpenter, house builder, and farmer who headed the most prosperous family in the colony.
The Mexican Revolution broke out in 1910 and the Mormon colonies were endangered in 19111912 by raids from marauders, including "Red Flaggers" Pascual Orozco and José Inés Salazar. The Romney family fled and returned to the United States in July 1912, leaving their home and almost all of their property behind. Romney would later say, "We were the first displaced persons of the 20th century."
From here on, George Romney grew up in humble circumstances. The family subsisted with other Mormon refugees on government relief in El Paso, Texas for a few months before moving to Los Angeles, California, where the father worked as a carpenter. In kindergarten there, other children mocked Romney's national origin by calling him "Mex". This might explain how Mitt got his middle name, as the State of Michigan is shaped like a mitten.
While a sophomore in high school, Mitt Romney participated in the campaign in which his father was elected Governor of Michigan. George Romney was re-elected twice, and Mitt worked for him as an intern in the governor's office. He was also present at the 1964 Republican National Convention where his moderate father battled conservative party nominee Barry Goldwater over issues of civil rights and ideological extremism.
Ancestry of Willard Mitt Romney
PARENTS His father, George Wilcken Romney, was born in Colonia Dublán, Galeana, Chihuahua, México, on July 8, 1907 and died in Bloomfield Hills, Michigan on July 26, 1995. His mother, Lenore LaFount, was born in Logan, Utah, on November 9, 1908 and died in Michigan on July 7 1998.
GRANDPARENTS His paternal grandfather, Gaskell Romney, was born in St. George, Utah on September 22, 1871. His paternal grandmother, Anna Amelia Pratt, was born in Salt Lake City, Utah on May 6, 1876. His maternal grandfather, Harold Arundel LaFount, was born in Birmingham, Warwick, UK on January 5, 1880. And his maternal grandmother, Alma Luella Robison, was born in Montpelier, Idaho on August 19, 1882.
GREAT-GRANDPARENTS His great-grandparents were Miles Park Romney, born in Nauvoo, IL on August 18, 1843, and Hannah Hood Hill, born in Tosoronto Township, Simcoe, Ontario on July 9, 1842; Helaman Pratt, born in a covered wagon during a one-hour stopover on the trail near Mt. Pisgah, Iowa on May 31, 1846, and Anna Johanna Dorothy ("Dora") Wilcken, born in Dahme, Zarpin, Rheinfeld, Schleswig-Holstein, Germany on July 25, 1854; Robert Arthur LaFount, born in Belbroughton, Worcester, UK on March 9, 1856, and Emily Ethel Hewitt, born in Birmingham, Warwick, UK on January 19, 1861; and Charles Edward Robison, born in Nauvoo, IL on December 2, 1845, and Rosetta Mary Berry, born in Albion, Michigan on July 3, 1843.
Conclusion:
If I didnt research this matter, I would not only be uninformed, but a hypocrite. Now at the time of Mitt Romneys birth was his father a United States Citizen? Based on publicly available information, he certainly did not appear to be. Did Romneys father become a naturalized citizen prior to his birth? That I dont know. What I do know is that many Mormons became Mexican citizens, that Mitt Romney has more than 20 distant relatives going back three generations living in the region of Mexico where his father, George, was born, and that as the son of a Mexican born parent, Mitt Romney is entitled to dual citizenship under Mexican law. On the other hand, Newt Gingrich was clearly born to parents who were citizens at the time of his birth. So in the absence of any evidence to the contrary, thats all I need to know to sway my opinion.
References:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitt_Romney
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Romney
http://www.biography.com/people/newt-gingrich-9311969
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/newt/newtchron.html
http://www.wargs.com/political/gingrich.html
http://www.wargs.com/political/romney.html
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The addition of a grandfather clause in this paragraph says a lot as to the meaning of natural born. The first thing it says is that being born in the U.S. is not enough to be natural born; otherwise the grandfather clause would not have been necessary.
The Founding Fathers weren't excluded from being natural born citizens of the United States of America because being born on American soil "wasn't enough to be natural born." Under common law, which formed the basis for most of early US law and specifically the context in which the Constitution was written, all persons born in the country were considered "natural born," whether children of citizens or of aliens - the only exception being the children of foreign diplomats and occupying armies.
The Founding Fathers were excluded from being natural born citizens of the United States of America for the very simple and obvious reason that the United States of America did not exist when they were born.
Cue the ad hominem attacks.
Not vets.
One is a flip floping liar, the other is a quitter. Ron Paul is a dove who wants to cut spending. Perry is dumb. Santorum and Bachman should be able to move up.
By the way, there are plenty of good reasons to vote for Gingrich over Romney. This just isn’t one of them.
A voice of reason. Its about time we stick a fork into this natural born citizen thing. All it does is make our side look like a bunch of nutters. Since the 1880’s (anybody born before 4/4/1776 I presume is dead by then) there is only two kinds of citizens, those born in the US whose parents are not foreign diplomats thus eligible to be President, and those born outside the US and naturalized sometime in their life eligible for Congress but not President. There is no third or fourth kind, despite what the nutters insist on.
So they'll go on, making our side (as you say) look like a bunch of nutters. And on. And on.
Even Minor v. Happersett, the Court case they're so fond of quoting, listed the alternative to being a natural born citizen as being an alien or a foreigner.
In the same passage (the one that birthers twist), the Court noted that "there have been doubts" regarding the citizenship of children of foreigners born on US soil. When they did this, they made plain that they weren't necessarily including the children of resident aliens in the "aliens or foreigners" group, and they weren't necessarily leaving them out of the natural born citizens group. In fact, they told us they weren't going to address the issue:
At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient for everything we have now to consider that all children born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction are themselves citizens.
Those doubts were eventually addressed by Wong Kim Ark, in spite of birthers' claims to the contrary.
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It is not about a “reason to vote”.
It is about ELIGIBILITY.
Neither Obama NOR Romney is ELIGIBLE.
That eliminates it as an issue.
... just as Romney eliminates RomneyCARE/ObamaCARE.
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It would only be about eligibility if two citizen parents were actually required in order to produce a natural born citizen.
As I noted in this thread, every single article that makes that claim (every one that I’ve read at least, and I’ve read a bunch), sooner or later (usually sooner) is based on either fallacy or simply false or distorted information.
Whether you like it or not, the common law that was behind the founding of our country ultimately considered all children born on the soil of the country (which was originally England, and we were originally English colonies) to be “natural born,” whether or not their parents were citizens or aliens. The only exceptions, as noted above, were the children of foreign diplomats or members of invading armies.
That being the case, Mitt Romney (whether you like him or not) is eligible. Marco Rubio and Bobby Jindal are eligible. And yes, Barack Obama was legally elected President of the United States. You don’t like him. I don’t either. So let’s vote the clown out.
That’s a far better alternative than trying to twist the Constitution and American law and the weight of 225 years of judicial consideration to try and make it say something that it really does not say.
That being the case, it’s NOT a matter of eligibility. It’s a matter of reason to vote. And if you think the fact that one of Mitt Romney’s parents was born to US citizens in Mexico is a good reason for you not to vote for him, then I won’t really argue. Lots of people vote for Presidential candidates simply because they do or do not like their hair.
In my personal opinion, though, that’s not even a good reason. As far as I’m concerned, it’s WAY down on MY list of reasons to hate Romney.
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