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What would ‘President Romney’ really mean for gun owners?
Monachus Lex ^ | September 2, 2012 | John Pierce

Posted on 09/02/2012 7:56:38 PM PDT by JohnPierce

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To: elcid1970

I am not afraid of strict gun laws in countries where the laws have been in force for several decades. For example Japan and UK have strict gun laws. But they also have very low gun related crimes because even the bad guys have a hard time getting guns there.

US is another situation. Every law breaker in US owns guns. If the anti-gun people can show me how do they propose to disarm the bad guys, I would be willing to hand over my guns. So long as the bad guys have guns, I am 100% with NRA. It is stupid to disarm the good guys when there is no way to disarm the bad guys.

On top of all that, I also believe an armed citizenry is a great firewall against dictatorship.


61 posted on 09/02/2012 9:55:57 PM PDT by entropy12
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To: RaisingCain
We lost in the Primary because idiot, egotistical, bombastic, ridiculous people on our side could not unite behind a single candidate.

Now, however, Romney is portrayed as the conservative, and a loss by Romney will be trumpeted as America being ready for Conservatism, and as the Tea Party being dead.

Again, smart conservatives understand this and will vote for Romney.

Silly, egotistical, bullheaded and stupid conservatives will give Obama another 4 years.

62 posted on 09/02/2012 9:56:51 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58

“We lost in the Primary because idiot, egotistical, bombastic, ridiculous people on our side could not unite behind a single candidate.
Now, however, Romney is portrayed as the conservative, and a loss by Romney will be trumpeted as America being ready for Conservatism, and as the Tea Party being dead.

Again, smart conservatives understand this and will vote for Romney.

Silly, egotistical, bullheaded and stupid conservatives will give Obama another 4 years.”


Romney isn’t a conservative, anyone who is intellectually honest won’t make that claim. Of course, the GOPe is everything to everyone, but not honest.


63 posted on 09/02/2012 9:58:10 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: Eaker

US immigration to Australia is obviously insignificant...yet.

If you call seeking better opportunities for economic freedom as cut and run, I have no problem. Have you forgotten why your ancestors risked everything to immigrate to US? It was FREEDOM and opportunity for better life!


64 posted on 09/02/2012 10:00:34 PM PDT by entropy12
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To: JohnPierce

The author missed Romneys recent NRA interview. They asked very specific questions and he gave the right answers. Of course, he’s a politician .....


65 posted on 09/02/2012 10:02:13 PM PDT by Tarantulas ( Illegal immigration - the trojan horse that's treated like a sacred cow)
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To: entropy12
"If a bear attacks me in woods, I would rather have an assault rifle than a handgun"

For me that would be "code" for:

If When, after the elections, a bear mob attacks me in the woods streets of MD, I would rather have an assault rifle AK-47 than a handgun

Of course ,my Model 1300 (which seems to have fallen into hot water and shrunk to a total length of 25-3/4 inches and sprouted a pistol grip) would also serve nicely in close support...What's the "code" word for flechettes?)

66 posted on 09/02/2012 10:03:06 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: RaisingCain

This is politics and public relations.
In other words, what I think, as an individual, does not count.
What you think, as an individual, does not count.
The PUBLIC PERCEPTION will be that conservatives lost, if Romney does not win.
If Romney does not win, our next Republican candidate won’t even be as conservative as Romney.
WE HAVE TO WIN THIS ONE!


67 posted on 09/02/2012 10:05:21 PM PDT by Kansas58
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Mitt Romney on Gun Rightrs: Protect the Second Amendment

http://www.mittromney.com/issues/gun-rights

As the Supreme Court recently reaffirmed, the Second Amendment protects one of the American people’s most basic and fundamental individual rights: “the Right to Keep and Bear Arms.” The Second Amendment is essential to the functioning of our free society. Mitt strongly supports the right of all law-abiding Americans to exercise their constitutionally protected right to own firearms and to use them for lawful purposes, including hunting, recreational shooting, self-defense, and the protection of family and property.

Like the majority of Americans, Mitt does not believe that the United States needs additional laws that restrict the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms. He believes in the safe and responsible ownership and use of firearms and the right to lawfully manufacture and sell firearms and ammunition. He also recognizes the extraordinary number of jobs and other economic benefits that are produced by hunting, recreational shooting, and the firearms and ammunition industry, not the least of which is to fund wildlife and habitat conservation.

Mitt will enforce the laws already on the books and punish, to the fullest extent of the law, criminals who misuse firearms to commit crimes. But he does not support adding more laws and regulations that do nothing more than burden law-abiding citizens while being ignored by criminals. Mitt will also provide law enforcement with the proper and effective resources they need to deter, apprehend, and punish criminals.

As governor of Massachusetts, Mitt was proud to support legislation that expanded the rights of gun owners. He worked hard to advance the ability of law-abiding citizens to purchase and own firearms, while opposing liberal desires to create bureaucracy intended to burden gun owners and sportsmen. As governor, he also designated May 7th as “The Right to Bear Arms Day” in Massachusetts to honor law-abiding citizens and their right to “use firearms in defense of their families, persons, and property for all lawful purposes, including common defense.”

As president, Mitt will work to expand and enhance access and opportunities for Americans to hunt and shoot. He also will defend the right of individuals to protect their families, homes, and property, and he will fight the battle on all fronts to protect and promote the Second Amendment.


68 posted on 09/02/2012 10:06:17 PM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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Mitt Romney warns NRA against an ‘unrestrained’ second-term Obama

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/apr/13/news/la-pn-mitt-romney-warns-nra-against-an-unrestrained-secondterm-obama-20120413

“Mitt Romney drew a warm reception from the National Rifle Assn. on Friday as he attacked President Obama for “employing every imaginable ruse and ploy” to restrict gun rights, which Romney pledged not to do if elected in November.

Although gun control groups have complained that Obama has done little to support their cause, Romney took a page from the NRA leadership, which has been saying that the president is waiting for a second term to crack down on firearms. He warned that Obama would “remake” the Supreme Court in a second term, threatening constitutional freedoms.”


69 posted on 09/02/2012 10:10:05 PM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Kansas58

‘Now, however, Romney is portrayed as the conservative, and a loss by Romney will be trumpeted as America being ready for Conservatism, and as the Tea Party being dead.

Again, smart conservatives understand this and will vote for Romney.

Silly, egotistical, bullheaded and stupid conservatives will give Obama another 4 years.”

Well said.

Democrats are counting on some conservatives becoming “useful idiots” for the Democrats by not voting or voting third party, thereby reducing the votes Romney gets, which helps Obama get reelected.


70 posted on 09/02/2012 10:13:39 PM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: MNJohnnie

>> “They are now just another political fund raising scam more interested in access to political power then the facts.” <<

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The truth is that the NRA has been the author, and promotor of every gun limiting federal law on the books since 1968.


71 posted on 09/02/2012 10:14:47 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: entropy12
My family has been here 300 years so as an American rather than cut and run I'll stay and try to fix MY country.
72 posted on 09/02/2012 10:19:21 PM PDT by Eaker (Stripping Americans of their freedom and dignity and rubbing their noses in it is a very bad idea.)
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To: SuperLuminal

I love your analogy!!!


73 posted on 09/02/2012 10:26:13 PM PDT by entropy12
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To: Kansas58

The public doesn’t matter. The base, if the country does not collapse, will demand a conservative. The GOPe will argue the public wants a liberal, but I don’t think they can force a second RINO on us after their outrages.


74 posted on 09/02/2012 10:27:14 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: RaisingCain
Part of Obama’s plan is to destroy industries dominated by Conservatives.
What do you think Obama will do with another 4 years?

Obama is the enemy, he must go.

75 posted on 09/02/2012 10:35:52 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58

“Part of Obama’s plan is to destroy industries dominated by Conservatives.
What do you think Obama will do with another 4 years?
Obama is the enemy, he must go.”


The dominoes are already falling. I won’t waste my time hope and changing for Mitt.


76 posted on 09/02/2012 10:39:17 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: entropy12

“If a bear attacks me in woods, I would rather have an assault rifle than a handgun.”

You would assault an innocent denizen of the woods? No wonder you are a FREEPER :)


77 posted on 09/02/2012 10:50:52 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: JohnPierce

Well this was pretty easy to find. I’m surprised that the author didn’t cite this report from a Massachusetts Second Amendment group. It puts his article in a whole different light.

“The Romney Record”
A GOAL Special Report

Mitt Romney’s Record as MA Governor
Second Amendment - Legislation

The Romney Record

A Look at Governor Mitt Romney’s Record as Governor of Massachusetts as it Relates to the Gun Owners and Sportsmen of Our State

Prepared by: Gun Owners’ Action League (GOAL) - February 2007

Mitt Romney was Governor of Massachusetts from January 2, 2003 – January 4, 2007

General Comments

In the first months of the Romney administration the Governor isolated himself to all but a handful of close advisors most of whom came from the business community. This caused the Governor to make some rather serious political missteps that could have been avoided through better communications. However, relations dramatically improved and in the end, GOAL had more access to this administration than any other since the days of Governor Ed King in 1979.

The two major events that eventually led to this improved relationship were the raid on the Inland Fisheries & Game Fund in 2003 and a botched press conference/bill signing in 2004. Both situations are outlined in this report.

While at the time these events greatly angered GOAL members, the result was much improved access to the Governor’s office and his staff. During the following years, senior level Romney staffers met on a monthly basis with GOAL’s Executive Director to discuss and work on any issues relevant to GOAL’s members. This should not be taken as an indication that GOAL “controlled” the corner office, but rather that a very good working relationship was developed that benefited both parties.

Legislation: During the Romney Administration, no anti-Second Amendment or anti-sportsmen legislation made its way to the Governor’s desk.

Governor Romney did sign five pro-Second Amendment/pro-sportsmen bills into law. His administration also worked with Gun Owners’ Action League and the Democratic leadership of the Massachusetts House and Senate to remove any anti-Second Amendment language from the Gang Violence bill passed in 2006. A summary of this legislation follows.

Budgetary: In the Governor’s first year, he made a political error when he submitted a budget that did away with the Inland Fisheries & Game Fund. (More of this is explained below.) Fortunately, after this matter was resolved, GOAL was able to establish better communications with the Governor’s office. In working with the legislature and the Governor we were able to restore the Fund and increase the money released from it to better manage the Division of Fisheries and Wildlife. Over the next three years, GOAL was also successful in getting some “capital revenue” released to acquire land for the Division.

Regulations: During his administration, the Executive Office of Public Safety passed a new regulation providing free replacement of firearm licenses to those who had them stolen or lost. (A resident license fee in Massachusetts at that time was $100 every 6 years.) Prior to this new regulation a citizen would have to repeat the entire application process and pay the whole fee to acquire a replacement license.

Policy: His administration conducted a review of the state’s Environmental Police agency (Game Wardens). One major concern was to keep in place the hiring requirement that officers needed to have some environmental education background not strictly law enforcement. This was a policy that GOAL worked to support.

Fees: In 2003 Governor Romney filed budgetary language to raise firearm license fees from $25 to $75. That year the legislature actually raised them to $100 in the General Appropriations bill (Section 34 of Chapter 140 of the Acts of 2003). At that time a resident license was good for 4 years. In 2004 a law was passed increasing the license term to 6 years.

In 2005, Governor Romney waived the administrative fees for the Natural Heritage and Endangered Species Fund. The state currently charges these fees that were as much as 36% a year. Gun Owners’ Action League worked with environmental organizations to urge the Governor to temporarily waive the fees until permanent legislation could be passed to do away with the fees all together.

Appointments: One of the agencies that GOAL watches very closely is the Division of Fisheries and Wildlife. This agency is run by a strong seven-person board. The appointments to this board are spread out over several years so that drastic changes cannot be made to it in any given year. During his administration, Governor Romney made five appointments to this board. All of the individuals appointed to the board were supported by GOAL.

Proclamations: During his administration, Governor Romney issued a proclamation declaring May 7, 2005 as “The Right to Bear Arms Day”. The proclamation was issued on this date to coincide with GOAL’s Annual Banquet.

Read the rest: http://www.goal.org/newspages/romney.html


78 posted on 09/02/2012 11:06:30 PM PDT by Tarantulas ( Illegal immigration - the trojan horse that's treated like a sacred cow)
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To: JohnPierce
"Where there are opportunities for people of reasonable minds to come together and find common ground, that’s the kind of legislation I like".

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To Hell with "common ground", it's got to be constitutional ground!

79 posted on 09/02/2012 11:39:29 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: JohnPierce
"President Romney (R)" means the same thing to gun owners that any variation of "President     Fill in the blank    (R)" does. It means we have to watch out for said Republican attempting to stab gun owners in the back. That little (R) means precisely nothing. Republicans will pass gun control laws as quickly as any Chicago Democrat would if they see a political advantage. As gun owners, we must constantly be ready to hold Republicans' feet to the fire to protect our rights.
80 posted on 09/02/2012 11:43:07 PM PDT by Redcloak (Mitt Romney: Puttin' the "Country club" back in "Republican".)
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