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To: BlackElk

I agree with your points but Ted is the wrong conclusion for me. I do not believe a person born in a foreign country whose parents were non American at the time of his birth and who 20 months ago renounced his Canadian citizenship is legally allowed to be president.

He is not in my view as honest as he is in your view.
This is not about us falling short of God’s glory but falling afoul of the Constitutional requirements of the office. Ted himself said NBC is both parents must be us citizens and birth must be on American soil just a few years back.
He qualifies by his own stated standards.... Not at all.

I am a fan of much of what he says... But not of his foreign status. It’s OK to call me a birthed on this matter.


255 posted on 04/09/2016 2:41:34 PM PDT by MIA_eccl1212 (When you see a drowning liberal, throw them the anchor...)
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To: MIA_eccl1212

I don’t see how anyone can call you a birther. You know for a fact where Ted Cruz was born. People who thought obama was born in Kenya, yet his “birth certificate” was from HI were called “Birthers” because they didn’t believe the birth certificate, or the place of birth shown on it were legit.

Hence the term, “birther”.

That does not even apply to you re Cruz.


272 posted on 04/09/2016 5:13:47 PM PDT by Ladysforest (Racism, misogyny, bigotry, xenophobia and vulgarity - with just a smattering of threats and violence)
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To: MIA_eccl1212
I simply do not understand the obsession with the Birther notions as to NBC (as to Cruz only and occasionally Rubio). It seems that it is not a matter of NBC but of them being in Trump's way as to the GOP POTUS nomination.

The Donald's mom was born as a British subject in Scotland. If she had never naturalized, he cannot, by obsessive Birther standards, be NBC. No one seems interested in this question.

Comrade Grandma was born in Illinois and it may be that both of her parents were American citizens. No one seems interested (yet!) in investigating that which is necessary to her alleged eligibility as NBC under Birther standards.

Ditto as to Comrade Grandpa who was apparently born in Brooklyn, maybe of citizen parents, maybe not. No one seems to care (yet!). Comrade Grandma and Comrade Grandpa are not standing between Trump and the GOP POTUS nomination.

Now, eccentric as I am, forgive me for thinking that matters ideological that are far more important than where an American citizen was born or to whom (so long as birth was IN the United States OR to at least one citizen) disqualify Comrade Grandma, Comrade Grandpa AND The Donald. Required to choose among them, I would vote for The Donald as less objectionable than the other two, but I do think he is generally an opportunistic, untrustworthy snake and a rank ignoramus on many issues.

Cruz's mother was an American citizen at the time of his birth, is an American citizen. Trump was born in New York and his father at least was an American citizen. Comrade Grandma and Comrade Grandpa were both born here and their respective parents were not in the diplomatic corps of any foreign nation. End of controversy. BTW, recall that it was Comrade Grandma who invented this Birther crap in the first place in her clumsy failed attempt to defeat Obozo in 2008.

Also citizenship in multiple nations is allowed. I have the right as the grandchild of a British native and an Irish native have the right to claim citizenship in each of those countries without giving up my American citizenship (born in Connecticut to two American citizens). Elizabeth Taylor was British by birth, American by naturalization and Israeli by naturalization and carried all three citizenships to the day she died. Chester Arthur was apparently born to Canadian citizens in Canada.

Ted is not Catholic, much less pope. He is not infallible.

His country, your country, my country is in smoking ruins. We need a living conservative intellect to run this country and name its judges. That would be Ted Cruz of what is left. I would have preferred Scott Walker (certainly NBC even by Birther standards) but that was not to be. Cruz is the best of the rest, by far.

We need a sense of priorities and NBC ranks waaaaaaay below SCOTUS nominations, guns, military re-armament, cleansing the PC corps in the military created by Obozo, marriage, the babies, and a host of other issues on which Trump is verrrrry generously speaking, at best, on a few of them no better and on most, far inferior to Cruz. That is why The Donald's campaign and his campaign supporters do virtually nothing as to substance and instead have initiated this crap throwing contest as a way of choosing POTUS. I think too much of my country to submit to such low rent tactics.

Trump's campaign has caused very substantial damage to FR and caused permanent breaches in the relations among us. He has sowed dissent and seeks to benefit from that dissent. He does not seem to care what damage he does to the conservative movement because he was NEVER a conservative. He erected the false God of the Wall Almighty and zombiedom followed for all too many otherwise decent and sensible people.

In fairness, Trump seems trustworthy on the care of veterans, rebuilding (but not necessarily use) of the military, on guns and a few other things. He is no pro-lifer and I have never seen such clumsiness on any issue but he understands that it is the third rail of Republican politics ad will electrocute him if he strays. As Henry of Navarre said: Paris is worth a Mass.

The Donald is no more principled than Henry but he knows his place. That does not guarantee that he won't appoint disasters like John Paul Stephens or David "Swish" Souter to the SCOTUS. I want guarantees as to SCOTUS. If you actually care about the Constitution, so should you.

What does it profit a man to gain the White House but incompetently fritter away American civilization? Even if he IS a real estate billionaire and modern day P. T. Barnum?

281 posted on 04/10/2016 5:13:43 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em Danno!)
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