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To: MIA_eccl1212
I simply do not understand the obsession with the Birther notions as to NBC (as to Cruz only and occasionally Rubio). It seems that it is not a matter of NBC but of them being in Trump's way as to the GOP POTUS nomination.

The Donald's mom was born as a British subject in Scotland. If she had never naturalized, he cannot, by obsessive Birther standards, be NBC. No one seems interested in this question.

Comrade Grandma was born in Illinois and it may be that both of her parents were American citizens. No one seems interested (yet!) in investigating that which is necessary to her alleged eligibility as NBC under Birther standards.

Ditto as to Comrade Grandpa who was apparently born in Brooklyn, maybe of citizen parents, maybe not. No one seems to care (yet!). Comrade Grandma and Comrade Grandpa are not standing between Trump and the GOP POTUS nomination.

Now, eccentric as I am, forgive me for thinking that matters ideological that are far more important than where an American citizen was born or to whom (so long as birth was IN the United States OR to at least one citizen) disqualify Comrade Grandma, Comrade Grandpa AND The Donald. Required to choose among them, I would vote for The Donald as less objectionable than the other two, but I do think he is generally an opportunistic, untrustworthy snake and a rank ignoramus on many issues.

Cruz's mother was an American citizen at the time of his birth, is an American citizen. Trump was born in New York and his father at least was an American citizen. Comrade Grandma and Comrade Grandpa were both born here and their respective parents were not in the diplomatic corps of any foreign nation. End of controversy. BTW, recall that it was Comrade Grandma who invented this Birther crap in the first place in her clumsy failed attempt to defeat Obozo in 2008.

Also citizenship in multiple nations is allowed. I have the right as the grandchild of a British native and an Irish native have the right to claim citizenship in each of those countries without giving up my American citizenship (born in Connecticut to two American citizens). Elizabeth Taylor was British by birth, American by naturalization and Israeli by naturalization and carried all three citizenships to the day she died. Chester Arthur was apparently born to Canadian citizens in Canada.

Ted is not Catholic, much less pope. He is not infallible.

His country, your country, my country is in smoking ruins. We need a living conservative intellect to run this country and name its judges. That would be Ted Cruz of what is left. I would have preferred Scott Walker (certainly NBC even by Birther standards) but that was not to be. Cruz is the best of the rest, by far.

We need a sense of priorities and NBC ranks waaaaaaay below SCOTUS nominations, guns, military re-armament, cleansing the PC corps in the military created by Obozo, marriage, the babies, and a host of other issues on which Trump is verrrrry generously speaking, at best, on a few of them no better and on most, far inferior to Cruz. That is why The Donald's campaign and his campaign supporters do virtually nothing as to substance and instead have initiated this crap throwing contest as a way of choosing POTUS. I think too much of my country to submit to such low rent tactics.

Trump's campaign has caused very substantial damage to FR and caused permanent breaches in the relations among us. He has sowed dissent and seeks to benefit from that dissent. He does not seem to care what damage he does to the conservative movement because he was NEVER a conservative. He erected the false God of the Wall Almighty and zombiedom followed for all too many otherwise decent and sensible people.

In fairness, Trump seems trustworthy on the care of veterans, rebuilding (but not necessarily use) of the military, on guns and a few other things. He is no pro-lifer and I have never seen such clumsiness on any issue but he understands that it is the third rail of Republican politics ad will electrocute him if he strays. As Henry of Navarre said: Paris is worth a Mass.

The Donald is no more principled than Henry but he knows his place. That does not guarantee that he won't appoint disasters like John Paul Stephens or David "Swish" Souter to the SCOTUS. I want guarantees as to SCOTUS. If you actually care about the Constitution, so should you.

What does it profit a man to gain the White House but incompetently fritter away American civilization? Even if he IS a real estate billionaire and modern day P. T. Barnum?

281 posted on 04/10/2016 5:13:43 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em Danno!)
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To: BlackElk

A couple of problems with this post to my mind.
Trump’s Mom did become an American citizen several years before his birth and the documentation is posted online. NBC= two citizen parents born on American soil.

Ideology is certainly important in a candidate but has no bearing on qualification to run. I disagree with you on Trump’s ideology and that’s neither here nor there.

We don’t know Cruz’s Mom’s citizenship at the time of Cruz’s birth which is why its relevant that the paperwork has been hidden since the paperwork would establish that fact as well as others.

All children born abroad with a citizen parent are not eligible to be recognized as American citizens, that’s why we have Statutes and the Statutes in effect at the time of birth are defining for any particular birth circumstances.

I think that it is inaccurate and disingenuous to blame Trump for the discord and fracturing of Free Republic. Debate is often contentious and angry but it is still the only way to have an open discourse. People in America are very worried, disheartened and frightened about our Country and her future. Of course there is going to be anger. Trump, in exposing the charade of current American Government, is serving as a lightning rod but without the exposure the rot would have continued to spread.

For that service alone, for taking the heat of 100’s of million $ of attack ads, Donald Trump has stood up for America and American at great personal cost, and deserves our thanks. Without Trump there would have been business as usual in Washington, fiddle players change but the country burns.

Perfect candidate no, but Donald has enunciated the concerns of millions of Americans and many of us believe that he is the only one who even wants to attempt to build the wall, take care of the vets, get NATO & the UN working fairly, restore American sovereignty and support our true allies, restore our infrastructure, get down the debt, balance the budget, remove Obamacare and open the Health Insurance marketplace across State lines, champion HSA accounts and remove Common Core.

So pardon me if I stand with Trump because in my opinion Cruz by his actions has shown he is just one more politician, in bed with the snakes and owned by them because of the money he has accepted and the secrets he needs hidden.


291 posted on 04/10/2016 9:22:53 AM PDT by JayGalt
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To: BlackElk

Ted was not born here and his parents were not citizens he’s not an American citizen by birth he’s a foreigner and immigrant he’s not allowed to be president ever. I’m not an open borders guy I want the foreigners who are not in the process of legal education as an American citizen to be expatriated and expelled.

I’m not inclusive. I don’t trust aliens. I don’t trust new immigrants. And I don’t believe they should have the same rights as American citizens while they’re living here.
Ted is an immigrant he was born in another country OF foreign parents. He’s not presidential material in this country.
Twisting the Constitution and the meanings of words to make it somehow acceptable for him to be present just because we may like what he says is not acceptable. At least not to me.
Trump on the other hand I don’t agree with in every area, some of which you have touched on.
But he is qualified in that he is an American.

We do not have an open presidency in this nation as perhaps some other nations do. I’m an American nativist and a closed border supporter. That’s not modern and it’s not the global way of looking at things.
I know you are a very well meaning righteous God fearing one who I consider to be more global and accepting of others. You are more globalist and open borders than can allow.

We’ll see how things go. I don’t want a person who was a foreign citizen until March of 2014 as president. No foreigner as president. And that includes naturalized foreign-born individuals.

I didn’t like John McCain either for the same reason.


296 posted on 04/10/2016 10:17:38 AM PDT by MIA_eccl1212 (When you see a drowning liberal, throw them the anchor...)
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