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New California Ammunition Law: Restrictive, Burdensome, Costly, Ineffective
Gun Watch ^ | 4 July, 2016 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 07/09/2016 5:08:20 PM PDT by marktwain




Governor Jerry Brown has signed into law SB 1225.  It is a lengthy, extremely restrictive law regulating the sale of ammunition in California.  It is so restrictive, that it might not hold up in court.  Challenges to the law may have to wait.  The law only goes into effect *if* the very broad, very anti-Second Amendment proposition "Safety for All Act of 2016" is not approved of by the voters.  So this bill, and several others signed by Governor Brown, do not go into effect *unless* voters refuse to approve of the anti-Second Amendment  "Safety for All Act".

What the legislators and Governor Brown have done, is create a "we win - you lose"  scenario for Second Amendment supporters.  If they vote against the proposition, these extremely restrictive laws go into effect.  If they do not vote against the propostiion, the proposition goes into effect.  It is a lose-lose deal for the people of California.

If the proposition  does not pass, then the law will be phased in from 1 January, 2018 to 1 January, 2019.  Individual purchasers will not be constrained until 1 January, 2019.

The restrictions in the law are sweeping and costly.  The law is long and complicated.  Listed below are summaries of a number of the main points of the law.

1.  All ammunition sales to individuals are required to be face to face and shall require a background check.  A long list of occupational exceptions, exceptions for concealed carry permit holders, law enforcement, etc. will not be required to process the background check, but sales will be recorded. Vendors may charge a fee of up to $10 per background check.

2.  It will be illegal to purchase ammunition through the mail.

3.  It will be illegal for residents of California to purchase ammunition out of state, and bring it back into the state.   Ammunition purchased outside the state will be required to be sent to a licensed vendor in California.

4.  Non-residents may legally transport ammunition into and through California, but may not sell it in California, unless is is sold through a licensed vendor subject to a background check.  There are exceptions for sale to a direct family member, registered domestic partner, or hunting partner in quantities of no more than 50 rounds per month.

5.  All ammunition sales will be kept on a computer data base that will be checked against a list of people who have been ruled to be prohibited possessors of firearms.

6.  Nearly all private transfers of ammunition within the state of Callifornia will be required to be done through a licensed ammunition vendor, who may charge a fee for the process.

I expect a rush on ammunition in Nevada, Oregon, and Arizona gun shops over the next two and a half years.  Mail order sales to California will skyrocket.

That is if the "Safety for All" initiative (the anti-Second Amendment types are really good at Orwellian use of words) fails.  If the "Safety for All" initiative passes, the provisions above go into effect starting 1 January, 2017, according to discussion of the initiative on calguns.net.  That is only six months from now.

One thing the California law does not regulate is the reloading of ammunition, or the sale of components such as gunpowder for reloaders, projectiles, wads, cartridge cases or shotgun hulls or primers.  Gunpowder and primers have hazmat restrictions, but they could be ordered in bulk by gun clubs.  The sale of these items is unrestricted by California law. 

Reloading takes a small investment in tools and in the aquisition of skills, but it is not difficult.  I started reloading cartridges under supervision when I was 13.  I was doing it by myself at 16. 

I expect there will be a surge of interest in reloading in California.

A law similar to this one was tried nationwide in the 1970s and 1980s.  It was found to be so burdensome and ineffective, that even the BATF testified against it in Congress. 

It was repealed in 1986, through an enormous grass roots effort that forced the repeal to come to a vote against the will of the Democrat house leadership.

Charlie Rangel (D-NY, currently involved in numerous scandals) was acting Speaker when it passed. He managed to amend the bill to include the 1986 ban on production of automatic firearms for sale to citizens under the Natinal Firearms Act.  No crimes had been committed with that class of firearms for 50 years. After the rules were suspended, and the reform passed, Rangel rigged an amendment.  A voice vote was called for by surprise. It clearly lost, but Rangel rulled it passed. All was recorded on C-Span video. But that is another story.

This is another burdensome, ineffective law that the U.S. Congress could override as too restrictive of interstate commerce, if it so chooses.

The amount of ammunition used in crime is minuscule.  This law only burdens and punishes responsible and honest shooters.  It will easily be circumvented by lawbreakers.

©2016 by Dean Weingarten: Permission to share is granted when this notice is included.
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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: ammunition; banglist; ca; california; guncontrol; tyranny
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Reloading may become very popular in California.
1 posted on 07/09/2016 5:08:20 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Ammunition may not be purchased *directly* through the mail. It could be purchased through the mail to be sent to an “ammunition dealer”.


2 posted on 07/09/2016 5:09:35 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Expect to see this and more in Hillary’s 2nd term.

Go Trump.


3 posted on 07/09/2016 5:10:20 PM PDT by umgud (ban muslims, not guns)
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To: marktwain
They forgot to mention it is unconstitutional. No ex post facto law, and that is what this is.
4 posted on 07/09/2016 5:11:03 PM PDT by Fungi (Make America America again.)
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To: marktwain

I would suggest moving.


5 posted on 07/09/2016 5:11:26 PM PDT by Mom MD
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To: marktwain

Item #4 says “sell” not “barter”...


6 posted on 07/09/2016 5:11:41 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: marktwain

Soon, only crooks and Federal agents will be able to afford ammo, using YOUR MONEY.


7 posted on 07/09/2016 5:11:44 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: marktwain

BTW, I’m in central CA and visit dad in Reno often.


8 posted on 07/09/2016 5:14:13 PM PDT by umgud (ban muslims, not guns)
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Firearm and ammunition manufactures should do a Barrett on CA. All of them at once.

No guns or ammo for any state agency, including police departments.

L


9 posted on 07/09/2016 5:16:57 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: UCANSEE2

Soon? It is here now.


10 posted on 07/09/2016 5:17:40 PM PDT by Fungi (Make America America again.)
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To: Lurker

Bingo!!! Any chance that will happen?


11 posted on 07/09/2016 5:18:29 PM PDT by Fungi (Make America America again.)
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To: marktwain

Black Powder shooting is a lot of Fun!


12 posted on 07/09/2016 5:18:58 PM PDT by Big Red Badger (UNSCANABLE in an IDIOCRACY!)
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To: WildHighlander57

This is just a very shortened synopsis. The actual bill is about 10,000 words!

It is also duplicative and confusing. Seems to be the way that legislators “craft” things these days, especially liberal legislatures. It is as if they *want* the laws to be confusing and difficult to interpret!

Right out of the Ayn Rand quote.


13 posted on 07/09/2016 5:19:20 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

As I recall a few years ago another Cali ammo registration bill was signed into law but because it required the carriers who delivered online orders to act as gatekeepers, the whole bill was tossed as “unconstitutional”


14 posted on 07/09/2016 5:22:06 PM PDT by broken_clock (Go Trump)
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To: marktwain
Couldn't the recent abortion ruling be used as precedent to overturn this? Didn't the court rule against Texas because the law was “unduly burdensome”?
15 posted on 07/09/2016 5:22:37 PM PDT by Lee Enfield (I identify as rich, cut me a check.)
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To: marktwain

Looks like we might need to go into the hood to buy ammo


16 posted on 07/09/2016 5:22:59 PM PDT by ronnie raygun (without the 1st we have no second)
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***Charlie Rangel (D-NY, currently involved in numerous scandals) was acting Speaker when it passed. He managed to amend the bill to include the 1986 ban on production of automatic firearms for sale to citizens under the Natinal Firearms Act.***

This was done as a “poison pill” to kill the bill. Thanks to the government stealing our rights with the 1968 GCL, gun owners in some states lost the “privilege” of owning new class-3 weapons, but regained the rights to buy RIFLES and AMMO over state lines again.
Again, at the negotiating table, we’ve got the guns and they have nothing to negotiate with unless they have stolen your rights as California has done.

The Indian tribes in California need to go into the gun and ammo selling business.


17 posted on 07/09/2016 5:30:45 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: marktwain

Just sell a box. And then on the way out the customer cam fill their box with the free bullets from the appropriate basket. No paperwork on the sale of a box...


18 posted on 07/09/2016 5:31:30 PM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: marktwain

If I had the money I’d open a store on the strip in Vegas and name it AmmoLand. It would sell nothing but ammo and ammo accessories.


19 posted on 07/09/2016 5:33:55 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: marktwain

Reason number 316 Why I’m glad I don’t live in CA. Had the opportunity once. So glad I turned it down.


20 posted on 07/09/2016 5:34:05 PM PDT by upchuck (I'm hanging here until my Free Republic 401K is fully vested.)
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