Posted on 08/29/2017 5:07:42 AM PDT by RummyChick
I saw where they dont even know who is in danger with addicks because it has never failed.
Dont know if true
“Somewhere in the back of all this evac-talk....one has to wonder where they would have housed two or three million people, and how this would have worked. The obvious route would have been I-45 or I-69 (all north).”
After Katrina, Houstonians were more scared of the possible outcome of a hurricane, and this motivated a lot more people to evacuate when Rita came in September 2005, just a month after Katrina destroyed New Orleans. Keep in mind also that there were perhaps hundreds of thousands of New Orleans residents that had relocated to Houston at that point. People panicked.
What a lot of people did not take into account is that New Orleans is below sea level. Houston is not. But Houston is very flat. It takes a long time to drain off massive amounts of water here. Anyway, people left town when they did not necessarily need to.
I was in a mandatory evacuation county (Brazoria). I was asked to be a backup driver for a group of 3 busses leaving from my little town. I ended up taking a bus load to College Station. When the freeways became impassible I resorted to back roads for the entire trip. The other two bus drivers decided they did not want to follow me, and they got back on the freeway. They ended up taking twelve hours longer than me and having a tough time finding any available shelter that was not full. My drive was about 14 hours for what would ordinarily take about 2. This was partly due to being stuck for hours behind a car wreck when it was almost impossible for emergency vehicles to come clear it.
I learned a lot from this experience. Trying to put too many people on the road at once results in stand-still traffic and lots of potential damage. If this had been repeated this time, there might have been more fatalities because we’ve had freeways under 10 feet or more of water this time. Another thing I learned was that back roads are faster in a mass evacuation. (Unfortunately, law enforcement usually block off roads in such a way to force traffic onto the freeways.)
What should have happened in this case (with Harvey) is a voluntary evacuation in which people in areas prone to flooding are encouraged and assisted to leave town. This did not happen.
And with the millions being spent on planning and preparedness, we should have better technology in place. Dangerous roads could easily be mapped, and a smart app could be developed that would safely guide evacuees out of town. If this were implemented it would be possible to get millions of residents out of town fairly efficiently if that became necessary.
“Somewhere in the back of all this evac-talk....one has to wonder where they would have housed two or three million people, and how this would have worked. The obvious route would have been I-45 or I-69 (all north).”
After Katrina, Houstonians were more scared of the possible outcome of a hurricane, and this motivated a lot more people to evacuate when Rita came in September 2005, just a month after Katrina destroyed New Orleans. Keep in mind also that there were perhaps hundreds of thousands of New Orleans residents that had relocated to Houston at that point. People panicked.
What a lot of people did not take into account is that New Orleans is below sea level. Houston is not. But Houston is very flat. It takes a long time to drain off massive amounts of water here. Anyway, people left town when they did not necessarily need to.
I was in a mandatory evacuation county (Brazoria). I was asked to be a backup driver for a group of 3 busses leaving from my little town. I ended up taking a bus load to College Station. When the freeways became impassible I resorted to back roads for the entire trip. The other two bus drivers decided they did not want to follow me, and they got back on the freeway. They ended up taking twelve hours longer than me and having a tough time finding any available shelter that was not full. My drive was about 14 hours for what would ordinarily take about 2. This was partly due to being stuck for hours behind a car wreck when it was almost impossible for emergency vehicles to come clear it.
I learned a lot from this experience. Trying to put too many people on the road at once results in stand-still traffic and lots of potential damage. If this had been repeated this time, there might have been more fatalities because we’ve had freeways under 10 feet or more of water this time. Another thing I learned was that back roads are faster in a mass evacuation. (Unfortunately, law enforcement usually block off roads in such a way to force traffic onto the freeways.)
What should have happened in this case (with Harvey) is a voluntary evacuation in which people in areas prone to flooding are encouraged and assisted to leave town. This did not happen.
And with the millions being spent on planning and preparedness, we should have better technology in place. Dangerous roads could easily be mapped, and a smart app could be developed that would safely guide evacuees out of town. If this were implemented it would be possible to get millions of residents out of town fairly efficiently if that became necessary.
Bingo!!!
Last time...nothing happened.
People could watch the weather reports just as much as the Mayor...
I still think this was an opportunity for them to test if people would listen to the government over their own commonsense!
http://www.swg.usace.army.mil/Portals/26/docs/2009%20Addicks%20and%20Barker%20MP.pdf
Above: Everything you ever wanted to know about Addicks and Barker.
These are giant retention reservoirs that only fill in big storms. The history is given in the report as well as how they function.
They are relatively sound but old and out dated.
They were made to protect Buffalo Bayou, downtown and the ship channel all at lower elevation. They were created and then developers built above the 100 year flood plain which certainly is not that uncommon.
I could believe it. Why bother planning for something that hasn’t yet happened. LOL.
I live here. More people died during the evacuation of Rita than will die during this storm. And there are 1.5 million more people here now.
Moreover, we had 0 warning of this storm. It didn’t even exist on Monday, and it hit on Friday.
A mandatory evacuation would have been a disaster of Biblical proportions.
So you do you advocate lying to the public about the true nature of the disaster in order to preserve order?
that is what happened here if True Pundit story is right..because details leaked of that city council meeting from a law firm and it matches that info from the federal govt.
Oh, gosh, why didn’t we think of that.
There is no higher ground in Houston. That’s part of the problem.
I know this is sacrosanct, but at some point, this region needs to wake up, institute zoning, and stopped approving every developer with two dollars in his pocket.
We have hundred thousand people living downstream from a damn reservoir. That is insanity. Absolute insanity.
We have developments right against Buffalo Bayou. We have a new development in Katy that was elevated four feet higher than the surrounding ground.
Houston itself is essentially one large concrete pad at this point.
We get massive floods every six months now, because there is no place for the water to go except into a handful of tributaries, and we have houses damn near in the middle of those tributaries.
It’s absolutely bonkers.
For evacuation routes, Aggies are advised to take 610.
In a military movement, the plan and training are very important, but execution of that plan depends on a clearly defined command structure from the commanding officer down through the squad leader. Success depends on a culture of giving orders and most importantly, following orders. During an emergency, discipline often breaks down. An attack is much easier to execute than a retreat and an evacuation is much like a retreat. Humans, especially civilians, are not good at taking orders, even in the best of times
I have already had looters come through my neighborhood.
Again, I know it’s illegal to ever praise a Democrat here, but the leadership this week at all levels has been amazing from where I’m sitting.
As I stated earlier, there was no warning of this storm.
We all knew exactly what was going to happen, but we had two days lead time essentially. The fact that they even had time to organize shelters is a minor miracle.
Do you wave your gun at them?
There was no real warning of this storm.
You clearly have no idea how massive the Houston Metro area is. We are physically larger than Connecticut and have nearly 7 million people. And that’s not counting Galveston or the coast which would have to be evacuated first and flow through us.
This is not like evacuating, say, Des Moines.
I’ve seen zero reports of looting and 97 percent of the region still has power, which is usually the trigger for major looting.
Where are you?
Let’s be frank: black governance is a disaster; a farce. Everywhere.
This incompetent black mayor and his clown black aides care more about trannies and illegal criminals than the white citizen taxpayers currently under 5 feet of water.
I hope the mayor comes to my street. We will filet him and wear his skin as a coat.
Can you evacuate 4,000,000+ people in 48 hours?
As we know...it was not followed.
Situational Awareness:
The idea centers on an incredible strategic tool: the OODA Loop :
Observe,
Orient,
Decide,
Act.
Found at:
"http://www.artofmanliness.com/2014/09/15/ooda-loop/
H/T to TADSLOS
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