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Greenfield: We Didn't Beat ISIS, It's Here
Sultan Knish ^ | 11/1/17 | Greenfield

Posted on 11/02/2017 3:44:28 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell

Wednesday, November 01, 2017

We Didn't Beat ISIS, It's Here

Posted by Daniel Greenfield

ISIS has been beaten. It's been forced out of city after city. Its fighters are dying or have run away. Its resources are exhausted. 

It's over.

And yet once again, there's blood on the pavement and screams filling the air of a Western city. And the note in the bloodied truck links the attack to ISIS.

We didn't beat ISIS because it's not just an army or an alliance. It's an idea. The idea is Islam.

By declaring a Caliphate, ISIS made its existence interchangeable with Islam and its manifest destiny. Losing so many battles has weakened that identification, but there are still plenty of Muslims willing to kill for it. And it isn't because ISIS has radicalized them with some brilliant internet memes, but because it promised to fulfill the ideas and beliefs of their religion. 

ISIS is popular because it appeared to have come closest to doing what no other Islamic group had been able to do in a century, resurrect the Caliphate. ISIS was popular because it was Islamic.

It was popular to the degree that it was Islamic. It was popular because it brought back Islamic institutions from slavery to mutilating thieves without any apologies or concessions. 

That is the simple truth that our leaders refuse to deal with.

What causes an Uzbek immigrant, along with Pakistanis, Syrians, Iraqis, Afghans, Tunisians and American converts to Islam, to be willing to kill and die? They aren't killing and dying for ISIS. But the Ummah, the global Islamic tribe that embodies their honor, for the virgins of paradise, and for the cry that accompanied their atrocities. The cry of, "Allahu Akbar."

And until we understand that, we won't beat ISIS. Because ISIS is Islam.

We beat ISIS twice before. Once in its previous incarnation as Al Qaeda in Iraq and in its even earlier incarnation as Saddam Hussein’s regime whose Sunni Baathists went on to play a crucial role in ISIS.

Each time it was reborn as another murderous monstrosity.

We beat Saddam, Al Qaeda in Iraq and the Islamic State. But it keeps coming back because we don’t understand what it is. And we don’t get it because we don’t understand what Islamic terrorism is.

Critics who accuse the US of creating ISIS by bombing Iraq miss the point. ISIS is the latest embodiment of Sunni supremacism and historical nostalgia for the Abbasid Caliphate. Both Saddam and the Caliph of ISIS capitalized on that nostalgia the way that Hitler did on Charlemagne. 

We’re not just fighting a bunch of ragged terrorists. We’re fighting against the sense of manifest destiny of a large Muslim population, not just in Iraq and Syria, but in London, Paris and every state in America.

The Islamic terrorist groups of the Middle East are especially dangerous because, as ISIS did with its Caliphate, they can closely link themselves to crucial epochs in Islam. Al Qaeda leveraged its Saudi face to form a visceral connection with Muslims worldwide. ISIS repeated the same trick with its Iraqi link. And large numbers of non-Arabs and converts to Islam rallied from around the world to the Jihad.

ISIS is now the new Al Qaeda. It may not be able to hold on to its Iraqi or Syrian conquests, but it has become an international terrorist organization that is even more dangerous than Al Qaeda. And that may be what it wanted.

Why settle for some dirty and dusty kilometers in Syria or Iraq, when you can have the world?

Like the Palestinian Authority, Hamas and other Islamic terrorist groups, the Islamic State was never very good at running things. The PA won’t make peace with Israel for the same reason that Hamas won’t make peace with the PA: statehood is a compelling imperative, but requires hard work in reality. It’s much easier to send off a few useful idiots to blow themselves up and then collect the Qatari checks.

Civilizations manage societies. Barbarians have more fun destroying things than taking out the garbage or cleaning the streets.

The original Islamic conquests wrecked the societies and cultures they overran the way that barbarians always do. They wouldn’t have succeeded if civilization had not been in a state of collapse. Today’s Islamic conquests are a similar reaction to our civilizational decline. 

ISIS claimed that it could win a military showdown: it was wrong.  The Muslim Brotherhood’s strategy of political and demographic invasion, sneered at by ISIS, may be less glamorous, but the demographic conquest is going very well. Just ask the frightened natives of Paris and London. 

The challenge for Islamic terrorists is turning that demographic growth into military strength. ISIS emerged as the Uber of Islamic terrorism by unlocking the key to turning Muslims anywhere into terrorists with no training or recruitment. While Al Qaeda had pioneered the strategy, ISIS made it work.

Dismissing the terrorists who have been killing for ISIS in the West as “lone wolves” misses the point.

The Islamic terrorist who goes on a stabbing spree in London or a shooting spree in Orlando is no more a “lone wolf” than an Uber driver who picks up a passenger is just some random eccentric. They’re parts of a distributed network that is deliberately decentralized to better fulfill its central purpose.

CVE and other efforts to tackle “online extremism” fight messaging wars that ignore the demographics. But our targeted strikes on ISIS ignore demographics in the same way. We keep looking at the trees while missing the forest. But the forest is where the trees come from. Muslim terrorists emerge from an Islamic population. They aren’t aberrations. Instead they represent its religious and historic aspirations.

ISIS and Islamic terrorists aren’t going anywhere. Defeating them through patronizing lectures about the peacefulness of Islam, as Obama’s CVE policy proposed to do, was a futile farce. Bombing them temporarily suppresses them as an organized military force, but not their religious and cultural origins.

As long as we go on seeing Islamic terrorism as an aberration that has no connection to the history and religion of Islam, our efforts to defeat it will be pinpricks that treat the symptoms, but not the problem.

Only when we recognize that Islamic terrorism is Islam, that the crimes of ISIS and countless others dating back to Mohammed were committed to achieve the goals of the Islamic population, will we be ready to face the war that we’re in and to defend ourselves against what is to come not just in Iraq or Afghanistan, but in America, Australia, Canada, Europe, India, Israel and everywhere else.

We are not fighting a handful of Islamic terrorists. We are standing in the path of the manifest destiny of Islam. Either that manifest destiny will break against us, as it did at the Gates of Vienna, or it will break us. The attacks were once yearly. Now they are monthly. Soon they will become daily.

Every attack is a pebble in an avalanche. A pebble falls in Brussels, in Fresno, in Dusseldorf, in New York, in Munich, in London, in Garland, in Paris, in Jerusalem, in Mumbai, in Boston and in more places than anyone can count. We are too close to the bloodshed to see the big picture. We only see the smoke and hear the screams. We see the boats bringing armies into Europe. We see refugees fill our airports.

Those are the trees, not the forest: the pebbles, not the avalanche. Those are the battles, not the war.

The Islamic State is not going anywhere. It’s not a name. It’s an Islamic imperative. And it’s here.


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1 posted on 11/02/2017 3:44:29 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell
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2 posted on 11/02/2017 3:45:16 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Progressivism is 2 year olds in a poop fight.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

Maybe Mayor DeBolshevik of NYC should read this?


3 posted on 11/02/2017 3:49:47 AM PDT by donozark (JAMES COMEY:Democrat Presidential nominee in 2020.)
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To: donozark

wouldnt do any good the boy has already announced allegiancetoISLAM


4 posted on 11/02/2017 3:55:26 AM PDT by StonyBurk
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To: Louis Foxwell

IS is here thanks to globalists and leftist


5 posted on 11/02/2017 4:13:37 AM PDT by knighthawk (We will always remember We will always be proud We will always be prepared so we may always be free)
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To: Louis Foxwell

Isis is like a distributed, crowd-funded, open-soured, self-propagating software application. It will be almost impossible to defeat as it potentially has 1.5 billion platforms it can run on. For the most part none of the “radicalized” platforms can be detected amongst the noise created by the other non-radicalized platforms around them. Even if they are detected, the counter program almost always has to wait until the radicalized element has struck before it does anything. Then, instead of ending the threat by death, the counter program stores the threat in an environment where it can propagate itself to other, as yet, un-radicalized platforms.

The only solution is to forbid the potentially bad actor platforms (Muslims) to exist inside your control space or national borders.


6 posted on 11/02/2017 4:21:22 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: donozark
“Maybe Mayor DeBolshevik of NYC should read this?”

Yes, but it likely wouldn't make a difference because he doesn't demonstrate the willingness to inspect his own biases and be honest with himself. This is a condition in which many, if not most modern liberals are stuck.

There are fundamental premises that need to be considered. One of them is cultural relativism. Once one acknowledges that not all cultures are equal, and that some are destructive, it is much easier to discuss what is acceptable and what is not. The politically correct view, and the view generally taught in universities, is that all cultures are essentially ‘equal’, except American culture - which is assessed as traditionally insular, racist/bigoted, colonial, oppressive of the rest of the world, and less intellectual.

To hold and propagate this view is to ignore facts, and is in many ways a type of cult belief. Nonetheless, this is the view that you hear from the left recurrently. I remember Hillary being asked whether she ‘loved’ America. She answered, ‘I love the America that can be’. That is the viewpoint of many on the left, and it is too often expanded to included rejection or derision of all traditional American cultural norms. These include rejection or derision of Christianity, marriage, defined gender, achievement based on effort (”you didn't build that”), etc. etc.

History has shown us that not all cultures are equal, and implores us to take the best and leave the worst as we move forward. Cannibalism, head-hunting, human sacrifice, fights to the death in the Roman colosseum, cock-fighting, slavery, torture, are all ‘cultural’ attributes that we've rejected as barbaric and wrong. Even liberals would agree on this (mostly - although some might argue that we have no right to judge cannibals and head-hunters). Once we accept that not all human cultures and activities are equal, then we can legitimately discuss what types of human behavior are destructive and should not be tolerated going forward.

Or, we can be like de Blasio.

7 posted on 11/02/2017 4:28:52 AM PDT by neverevergiveup
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There can be no ISIS without islam.


8 posted on 11/02/2017 4:33:13 AM PDT by Maverick68
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To: Louis Foxwell
As long as we go on seeing Islamic terrorism as an aberration that has no connection to the history and religion of Islam, our efforts to defeat it will be pinpricks that treat the symptoms, but not the problem. This is the battleground - fighting the 'ideas' of Islam. Where does the reformation start?
9 posted on 11/02/2017 4:48:27 AM PDT by GOPJ ( http://fakehatecrimes.org/ - List of fake hate crimes against traditional/conservative Americans)
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To: Louis Foxwell

I like the Uber analogy.


10 posted on 11/02/2017 5:05:40 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Louis Foxwell

Thank-you for your posting!


11 posted on 11/02/2017 5:07:56 AM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: Maverick68

Second it.


12 posted on 11/02/2017 5:08:40 AM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: Louis Foxwell

The only way to control this disease is test and slaughter, isolate and remove the infected. Neither way is being done and we will have this problem for eternity. Unless we are willing to accept this danger to the United States, we will be dealing with this in many ways. Treat it or ignore it.


13 posted on 11/02/2017 5:26:58 AM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: Louis Foxwell; donozark; knighthawk; Gen.Blather; neverevergiveup; Maverick68; Biggirl; ...
Everyone in America needs to read this piece. I have beenssaying this, all of it, since 9-11 but I am not nearly so eloquent as Mr. Greenfield.
Emmett puts together the necessary background.

Mohammed & Charlemagne: Epilogue

Mohammed and Charlemagne: The Book

14 posted on 11/02/2017 6:02:44 AM PDT by arthurus
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Thank-you for the info!


15 posted on 11/02/2017 6:54:49 AM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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Thanks for “The Book” link.


16 posted on 11/02/2017 6:57:15 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: neverevergiveup

liberalism/progressivism/socialism/communism/Islam are all cult experiences. They require absolute, unquestioning loyalty to survive. They are each absolutely dependent upon the ignorance of their adherents and their willingness to be sacrificed morally and intellectually for the good of their cause.


17 posted on 11/02/2017 6:58:29 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Progressivism is 2 year olds in a poop fight.)
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To: Louis Foxwell
The original Islamic conquests wrecked the societies and cultures they overran the way that barbarians always do. They wouldn’t have succeeded if civilization had not been in a state of collapse.

It occurs to me that barbarians are the part of the evolutionary cycle. Just like disease, democrats, anarchists, cancer, Isis, predators. It's a mutation that happens to challenge an existing civilization. If civilization is fit, it will become stronger for the challenge. If civilization is weak, old, sick, the challenge will destroy it to make room for something healthier. The mutant will survive only long enough to destroy the unfit organism.

18 posted on 11/02/2017 7:35:59 AM PDT by oldbrowser (There is a striking similarity between Islamist, BLM, Antifa, Nazis, anarchists, and the democrats.)
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To: vetvetdoug

“The only way to control this disease is test and slaughter, isolate and remove the infected. Neither way is being done and we will have this problem for eternity. Unless we are willing to accept this danger to the United States, we will be dealing with this in many ways. Treat it or ignore it”.

You’re right.

We will never win this war if we stay on the defense at home and abroad. No war has ever been won by staying on defense.


19 posted on 11/02/2017 7:41:19 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

Destroy islam


20 posted on 11/02/2017 7:44:38 AM PDT by onedoug
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