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110 Years of Semi-Auto Hunting Rifles
Gun Watch ^ | 21 November, 2017 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 12/02/2017 4:26:28 AM PST by marktwain


Semi-automatic rifles have been common in the hunting fields in the United States for a hundred and ten years and more.  I picked up the Remington model 8 above at a gun show in Tucson a few years ago. The design has been popular for a long time. The rifle pictured was manufactured early in 1907. It was called the Remington Autoloading Repeating Rifle at the time. The Model 8 designation was applied in 1911. The rifle pictured was one of the first chambered in the .30 Remington caliber, Remington's ballistic equal to Winchester's .30-30.

Unfortunately, the Remington model 8 does not have an easy way to mount an optical sight. It could be done, but it would be a custom job.

Looking for a deer rifle for the woods of Wisconsin, I decided on an AR-15 clone chambered in .300 BLK. The ballistics are slightly less powerful than the time tested .30 Remington or .30-30. With modern bullets such as Barnes solid copper, expanding TTSX bullet, it is a perfectly adequate deer killer to 250 yards. With a 160 yard zero, you hold dead on to 200 yards. I put together the AR-15 clone this year, so there are 110 years of hunting rifles in the photograph. 

With modern materials the AR with Leupold scope weights 6 pounds, 12 ounces. The Remington model 8 with iron sights weighs 7 pounds, 14 ounces. Most of the weight difference is in the longer barrel of the Remington and the steel receiver.

Both rifles have excellent reputations for reliability.  The AR, especially with optics, has the advantage in accuracy. With the Barnes ammunition, 1 inch groups at 100 yards are common. For people with good eyes, the Remington's iron sights are perfectly adequate. In a recent test, five shots went into 1 inch at 40 yards. 

The price of the early Remington model 8  rifles was $58. It does not sound like much, but it was 2.9 ounces of gold at the time. It was sold as a high grade sporting arm. Today, you can buy a good AR-15 clone for $600. A decent scope will cost another $200. Together, they are only .4 ounces of gold today.

The AR-15 type rifles are popular in the hunting fields today. The modular design, excellent ergonomics, and variety of calibers make it useful for game across the spectrum from varmints to elk.

Another advantage of the AR-15 is the ease of use of suppressors. Reform of the archaic, complicated, and expensive federal laws on possession of firearm suppressors seems likely. Suppressors are commonly used around the world for hunting. In Europe, they are considered good manners. They are commonly found in the hunting fields in Africa. In New Zealand, they are available over the counter.

Adding a suppressor to the AR-15 platform would increase the weight to about the same as the Remington model 8. I look forward to being able to hunt without wearing hearing protection. The potential was one of the reasons I decided on the AR-15 platform and the .300 BLK caliber.

Another advantage of the .300 BLK on the AR-15 platform is its use by young hunters. The stock is easily adjusted. The weight is reasonable. The recoil is moderate. A small person can use the firearm much easier than the heavier, longer, non-adjustable model 8.

I like the Model 8 Remington. Designed by John Moses Browning, it was a breakthrough for its time.  It will be used in the hunting fields into the next century.  But time, technology, and materials have all improved. From a purely utilitarian perspective, the AR platform is the better firearm.


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TOPICS: History; Outdoors; Society
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A base for a micro-reflex sight could be made to take the place of the existing rear site on the Remington Model 8.

Realistically, I should sell the Model 8 to someone who will appreciate it as a collector.

1 posted on 12/02/2017 4:26:28 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Who hunts with hearing protection? That’s taking one of your most valuable senses off the table ?


2 posted on 12/02/2017 5:08:02 AM PST by onona
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To: onona

I have used Peltor electronic hearing protection muffs.

They amplify ordinary sound and cut out gun shots.

Problems: Hot in hot weather, not compatible with hats in cold weather.

https://shop.opticsplanet.com/peltor-tactical-100-electronic-hearing-protector-earmuffs.html?_iv_code=PL-HP-TAC100-OTH&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=plusbox-beta&gclid=CjwKCAiAu4nRBRBKEiwANms5W-MmXKcri552WbTZGAAz2041GOmWv7PbNdwpGqkpIAOaoXicsAzX-hoCHiIQAvD_BwE


3 posted on 12/02/2017 5:14:21 AM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: marktwain

Nice comparison,
3 ounces of Gold compared to a half!

Could you get 4 grand for the Model 8?


4 posted on 12/02/2017 6:28:36 AM PST by Big Red Badger (UNSCANABLE in an IDIOCRACY!)
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To: onona

Hearing protection doesn’t have to degrade hearing, and can even enhance it.


5 posted on 12/02/2017 6:36:51 AM PST by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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6 posted on 12/02/2017 6:42:07 AM PST by PROCON (O Lord, everything good in me is due to you. The rest is my fault.- Augustine)
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To: Big Red Badger

Could you get 4 grand for the Model 8?


No. Prices seem to be about $500 - $700. Not too bad for a 110 year old gun. But $5,000 to $6,000 would be the value if new, adjusted for inflation!


7 posted on 12/02/2017 6:48:05 AM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: onona

Many years ago old man Harmon came into the barber shop and everybody started laughing at him and with him as the tale was repeated. He had ordered a hearing aid to help him. in his squirrel hunting and was suffering the consequences. Remember, in the early days they were as large as a man’s hand and. very bulky. He was wearing his new gadget in his bib overalls and kept Turing up the volume as he waited for first light. When a squirrel did appear he forgot to turn off the hearing. device and took his first and only shot wearing a hearing aid. Darn near shattered his ear drums.


8 posted on 12/02/2017 6:50:05 AM PST by BTCM (Death and destruction is the only treaty Muslims comprehend.)
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To: marktwain

In Europe, they are considered good manners.


To do otherwise is sort of like driving a car without a muffler.


9 posted on 12/02/2017 6:57:00 AM PST by Yardstick
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To: marktwain
🙀OMG! Machine guns for the slaughter of Bambi. Is this covered by the 2nd amendment? 😹
10 posted on 12/02/2017 7:01:06 AM PST by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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To: Yardstick

I have cold anger at FDR and all his ilk for foisting the ill-condidered, anti-constitutional 1932 National Firearms Act on us.

The power mad jerk damaged the hearing tens of millions of Americans with his stupid desire to make America into a fascist totalitarian state.

His destructive legacy lives on. His cousin, Theodore, was a Progressive, but at least he was a sorta rational progressive.

Theodore liked his silenced rifles:

http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2017/08/president-roosevelt-liked-silenced.html


11 posted on 12/02/2017 7:06:46 AM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: rktman

I really like the Remington Model 8. It fits me well. The long barrel jacket makes the front end heavy and stable, so it just hangs there.

It is elegant in its lines. Its mechanism, though complex, is John Moses Browning reliable. It was made with care and precision by master craftsmen in the United States, when those master craftsmen were at their peak before the term “World War” was ever known.

It is a take down rifle that breaks into two simple and easily transported parts (though, so does the AR-15 clone).

Perhaps that is why I hesitate to simply do the smart thing and sell it.


12 posted on 12/02/2017 7:23:12 AM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: marktwain
If the shoulder goes up thing fits, hang on to it. 😃
13 posted on 12/02/2017 7:34:59 AM PST by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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To: marktwain

“Perhaps that is why I hesitate to simply do the smart thing and sell it.”

Seems to me you’ve already done it.

L


14 posted on 12/02/2017 8:46:24 AM PST by Lurker (President Trump isn't our last chance. President Trump is THEIR last chance.)
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To: Lurker

You have meaning in there, somewhere. I cannot seem to detect it. Is there a missing /S?

Maybe referring to my praise of the Model 8, in general?

Maybe you are making an offer?


15 posted on 12/02/2017 8:49:45 AM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: marktwain

I passed on buying a Model 8 at an auction a few years ago. I regret that decision. It was in rough shape but it deserved another chance.

thanks for this OP Dean.


16 posted on 12/02/2017 8:53:18 AM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: mad_as_he$$

You are welcome.

What caliber did you pass up?

The .35 Remington in the Model 8 and the .300 Savage in the Model 81 are the most practical calibers.

Still, brass is available for the others.


17 posted on 12/02/2017 9:06:14 AM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: marktwain

Sorry, I can be too clever by half sometimes. I meant you did the smart thing by picking that rifle up in the first place.

So the praise was for both you and that nice rifle.

Enjoy it. I’d make an offer but the current project is finishing Mrs. L’s AR.

Best,

L


18 posted on 12/02/2017 9:07:43 AM PST by Lurker (President Trump isn't our last chance. President Trump is THEIR last chance.)
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To: marktwain

1934


19 posted on 12/02/2017 9:08:58 AM PST by gundog (Hail to the Chief, bitches.)
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To: gundog

Yes, you are correct.


20 posted on 12/02/2017 9:34:08 AM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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