Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Gunfights that Changed LE Tactics
Am Shooting Journal ^ | 8/10/2018 | C Hodkins

Posted on 08/10/2018 4:52:21 AM PDT by w1n1

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-29 next last

1 posted on 08/10/2018 4:52:21 AM PDT by w1n1
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: w1n1

The 40 and 10mm are much better against barriers than the 9mm


2 posted on 08/10/2018 5:13:15 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: w1n1

This does not read well. Needs an editor for both grammar and content. -GP


3 posted on 08/10/2018 5:16:39 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (Lock. Her. Up.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: w1n1; All

During my extensive weapons training in the Navy we dissected the Michael Platt and William Matix shoot out for hours and hours and hours...The mistakes that the agents made were many but one thing I learned is that while revolvers are reliable, when you have been shot in the hand and you have lost your glasses it is much easier in my opinion to insert a loaded magazine into your hand gun than to try and load a revolver.


4 posted on 08/10/2018 5:19:02 AM PDT by areukiddingme1 (areukiddingme1 is a synonym for a Retired U.S. Navy Chief Petty Officer and tired of liberal BS.))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: w1n1
Don't bring a small gun to a big gun gunfight.

Goes to show which gun is "best" depends on the situation.

5 posted on 08/10/2018 5:20:27 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (I'd rather have Unequal Wealth than Equal Poverty.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: w1n1

32 years - that’s about a third of a century, not a quarter of a century.


6 posted on 08/10/2018 5:22:04 AM PDT by PAR35
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: w1n1

I read a detailed account of the Miami shootout by Ayoob.

The FBI learned a few things but also made an incorrect judgement regarding the 9mm.

The fact that the FBI agents were under armed was true. Mini-14s vs pistols is just not a fair fight. Even the shotguns were not their equal at first.

A big part of the problem is the bad guys just would not go down even when they were basically dead. The 9mms had performed properly including tearing the aorta off one guy who incredibly kept going for almost a minute.


7 posted on 08/10/2018 5:27:36 AM PDT by yarddog
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Comment #8 Removed by Moderator

To: yarddog

Were they semi auto Mini-14s or AC-556 (full auto Mini 14)


9 posted on 08/10/2018 5:35:02 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (Quit calling them liberals, progs, socialists, or democrats. Call them what they are: COMMUNISTS!!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: w1n1

For later.

L


10 posted on 08/10/2018 5:35:39 AM PDT by Lurker (President Trump isn't our last chance. President Trump is THEIR last chance.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: DCBryan1

I don’t know. Probably would not have made much difference.


11 posted on 08/10/2018 5:39:11 AM PDT by yarddog
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: BitWielder1

Back during the heyday of prohibition and classic gangsterism there were plenty of Thompsons and BARs floating abround.


12 posted on 08/10/2018 5:45:17 AM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: w1n1

About the Miami shootout:

Brave FBI agents in an elite unit but they made many mistakes that veteran street Police Officers wouldn’t have made. This might have been because FBI agents don’t make many or any traffic stops.

The agents had other weapons available to them such as AR 15’s and H&K MP 5’s but choose not to take them.

The fight was ended by an agents 38 special revolver.


13 posted on 08/10/2018 6:02:09 AM PDT by VicVanleeuwenhoek
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: w1n1

Someone forgot to tell this to Coward County.


14 posted on 08/10/2018 6:07:37 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (#DeplorableMe #BitterClinger #HillNO! #cishet #MyPresident #MAGA #Winning #covfefe)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Fester Chugabrew

No, of course it doesn’t, and yes, it does. Always, every time, every day, at the same time every morning.


15 posted on 08/10/2018 6:15:44 AM PDT by OKSooner (Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy (CTE): The 1200 pound gorilla...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: yarddog
...The 9mms had performed properly...

One of the agents who was killed, used multiple reloads and fired 29 shots from his service weapon. He never hit either of the assailants.

Two other agents lost their primary weapons as they came screeching to a stop at the scene. The weapons were stored loose on the passenger seats and bounced out of reach.

Clouds of road dust raised from the stopped cars made it almost impossible to see in the first minute of the incident.

The caliber of ammunition used was largely irrelevant.

16 posted on 08/10/2018 6:28:29 AM PDT by flamberge (What next?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: areukiddingme1
much easier in my opinion to insert a loaded magazine into your hand gun than to try and load a revolver.

Speed loaders.


17 posted on 08/10/2018 6:43:54 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Kill all mooselimb, terrorist savages, with extreme prejudice! Deus Vult!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: w1n1
Drega, was armed with an AR-15 and ballistic vest, stole the trooper’s cruiser and drove to Columbia, where he killed a judge and newspaper editor

The media was at risk prior to Trump?

18 posted on 08/10/2018 6:47:31 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: USS Alaska; All

Absolutely, I’ve used speed loaders, and I like speed loaders.

However, in the FBI case I mentioned, Special Agent John Hanlon had been shot in the hand and made loading a revolver impossible.


19 posted on 08/10/2018 7:01:50 AM PDT by areukiddingme1 (areukiddingme1 is a synonym for a Retired U.S. Navy Chief Petty Officer and tired of liberal BS.))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: yarddog
“tearing the aorta off one guy who incredibly kept going for almost a minute.”
An adrenaline rush is an amazing thing.
20 posted on 08/10/2018 7:28:45 AM PDT by MCF (If my home can't be my Castle, then it will be my Alamo)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-29 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson