WARNING: National Red Flag Gun Laws Are Coming

DC Dirty Laundry ^ | 11/19/2018 | David Risselada

[deandg99]

The Democrats are promising to make gun control a top priority as they are set to assume the majority in the House of Representatives. Some Democrats are even showing their true colors by foolishly stating that the government would use nukes on people refusing to comply with their gun confiscation mandates. While we can safely assume (hopefully anyway) that Representative Swalwell wouldn’t take out an entire state because people refused to surrender their constitutional rights, which he is sworn to uphold and protect incidentally, we shouldn’t assume our gun rights are safe just because Donald Trump is in the White House.

Among the many other sweeping reforms the Democrats plan to push, such as a ban on high capacity magazines are the passage of the so-called Red Flag gun laws on the national level. So far, roughly eleven states have these Red-Flag gun laws on the books. California was one of the first to pass such laws and as we have recently seen, they have done nothing to prevent people from committing mass murder. Florida also passed such laws last March and has seized firearms from over 450 people who have been deemed a threat to themselves or others. Unfortunately, these laws have done nothing to prevent the murderers from murdering, even with guns. They didn’t stop a shooter from shooting up a video game tournament. They also failed to stop yet another shooting at a school event where a gunman opened fire at a high school football game killing one and wounding two others. These people clearly should have been on Florida’s Red-Flag list yet, despite the new law and enforcement capabilities they went undetected.

[TheNext]

Elections are banned.

Did you not get the memo from 2018?

[JenB987]

If Trump signs any such law, he can kiss 2020 goodbye.

[TheNext]

The fist invader through your front door will be a robot.

It is better to aim at the human Invaders.

[scripter]

I completely concur.

[Bob434]

how long before our country adopts ‘Red Flag Laws’ concerning the 1’st amendment? How long before liberal relatives turn us in to state police for saying either pro-Republican statements or Pro-Christian Statements?

[Amendment10]

Beware of underestimating what master deal-maker Pres. Trump can do with a gridlocked Congress.

Dem noise for gun control laws probably amounts to campaigning for 2020.

Dems probably aren’t going to get their gun control laws any more than Trump got his wall in his first two years in office imo.

Note that unconstitutional federal healthcare for illegal immigrants could have paid for the wall imo.

How American Citizens Finance $18.5 Billion In Health Care For Unauthorized Immigrants

Insights welcome.

Also, consider the following major constitutional problems with gun control laws from a related thread.

”… National Firearms Act of 1934 and Gun Control Act of 1968 [???]"

FR: Never Accept the Premise of Your Opponent’s Argument

As mentioned in related threads, since Pres. Trump and patriots are forced to deal with an unconstitutionally big federal government until Trump finishes draining the swamp, patriots will need to check every action of the feds against Congress’s constitutional Article I, Section 8-limited powers to make sure there’s a clause that reasonably justifies an action of the feds, the misguided DOJ defining arms in this example.

After all, the corrupt, post-17th Amendment ratification Congress infamously has a track record for not policing itself with respect to its Section 8-limited powers, most federal domestic policy based on stolen state powers.

• 10th Amendment: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

• ”From the accepted doctrine that the United States is a government of delegated powers, it follows that those not expressly granted, or reasonably to be implied from such as are conferred, are reserved to the states, or to the people. To forestall any suggestion to the contrary, the Tenth Amendment was adopted. The same proposition, otherwise stated, is that powers not granted are prohibited [emphasis added].” —United States v. Butler, 1936.

Regarding federal civil penal firearms laws, patriots are reminded not only that the 2nd Amendment is clearly not a delegation of power to the feds to regulate civil firearms, but that gun-relevant clauses in Section 8 give the feds the power to deal only with military-related firearms, Clause 15 for example.

"Article I, Section 8, Clause 15: To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;"

In fact, the congressional record shows that constitutional lawmaker, Rep. John Bingham, had used an example of murder, a 2nd Amendment-related topic, to clarify that the states have never expressly constitutional delegated to the feds the specific power to make peacetime civil penal laws.

"Our Constitution never conferred upon the Congress of the United States the power - sacred as life is, first as it is before all other rights which pertain to man on this side of the grave - to protect it in time of peace by the terrors of the penal code within organized states; and Congress has never attempted to do it. There never was a law upon the United States statute-book to punish the murderer for taking away in time of peace the life of the noblest, and the most unoffending, as well, of your citizens, within the limits of any State of the Union, The protection of the citizen in that respect was left to the respective States, and there the power is to-day [emphasis added].” —Rep. John Bingham, Congressional Globe. (See bottom half of third column.)

Additionally, the Constitution’s Article IV, Section 2, Clause 2 not only indicates the scope of crimes that the sovereign states are authorized to deal with, treason included, but that criminals who flee a state are to be returned to the state having the jurisdiction of the crime for trial.

“Article IV, Section 2, Clause 2: A Person charged in any State with Treason, Felony, or other Crime, who shall flee from Justice, and be found in another State, shall on Demand of the executive Authority of the State from which he fled, be delivered up, to be removed to the State having Jurisdiction of the Crime [emphasis added]."

Also, regardless of Bingham’s official clarification that Congress has no express constitutional authority to make peacetime civil penal laws, even for murder, it is disturbing that federal civil gun laws started appearing in the books during the FDR Administration, FDR and Congress at that time infamous for making laws that blatantly ignored Congress’s Section 8-limited powers.

Franklin Roosevelt: The Father of Gun Control

Finally, when an uprising is determined to be an attack on the United States, the feds have the Article I, Section 8, Clause 15 power (shown above) to take charge of state militias to suppress the uprising.

However, Bingham’s clarification that feds have no express constitutional authority to make civil penal laws reflects on the Constitution’s Article IV, Section 4 which tells us that feds can intervene in domestic violence only by written request by top state government leaders.

"Article IV, Section 4: The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence [emphasis added]."

Corrections, insights welcome.

[Polynikes]

“Just how stupid are these Nazi/ Dimocraps, anyway? Can they even be that stupid???it doesn’t seem possible”

Sure it does. Just think about it. He gets a rush or high from the feeling of power just like Pelosi and power is a noted corrupter.

“When the weak want to give an impression of strength they hint menacingly at their capacity for evil. It is by its promise of a sense of power that evil often attracts the weak.”

Eric Hoffer

[Boomer]

Dems are why the 2A was written to reinforce our God given natural right to protect ourselves from bad guys who are sometimes a citizen’s own government.

[G Larry]

With the coming Communist takeover in Colorado, Red Flag laws will only be the tip of the iceberg.

[elcid1970]

One glaring injustice in the CA red flag law & others is that making a false statement to a judge will no longer be prosecuted as perjury but as a misdemeanor; prison time downgraded to a slap on the wrist for ruining someone’s life.

In CA anyone, not just a family member, can denounce a gun owner to the police who then go straight to the issuing judge. No due process, either; the first time the owner knows something’s wrong is when the po-po arrive at his door to seize his guns.

However, any fascistic gungrabbing bill passed by the House will hopefully die in the Senate and would certainly be vetoed by PDJT.

[faithhopecharity]

Joffer makes sense. Liberali m ( as that word is now commonly used, to denote commie- Nazi- leftistism) is very much a mental disease

[PROCON]

I’m not pinging blog pimp articles with sensational headlines.

[backwoods-engineer]

Will not happen. If Trump signs such an infringement, he is signing off a bloody civil war.

[Georgia Girl 2]

It’s not happening folks. The House will send all kinds of crazy chit to the Senate to get smacked down. By 2020 they will have shown their azz so bad it will be easy to get the majority back.

[TXnMA]

"Corrections, insights welcome."

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"Regarding federal civil penal firearms laws, patriots are reminded not only that the 2nd Amendment is clearly not a delegation of power to the feds to regulate civil firearms, but that gun-relevant clauses in Section 8 give the feds the power to deal only with military-related firearms, Clause 15 for example".

"Article I, Section 8, Clause 15: To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;"

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IMO, a "correction":

Article I, Section 8, Clause 15 only allows the government to exercise a claim on the service and duty of persons (armed Citizens) to exercise their God-given and 2nd amendment Constitution-protected right to keep and bear arms.

It authorizes zero claims on the weapons, themselves -- or constraints on the Citizens' right to own, keep and bear them.

TXnMA
 

[TADSLOS]

Got it.

[Renegade]

There WILL be blood!

[SuperLuminal]

"It is better to aim at the human Invaders."

It is better to aim at the human Invaders' relatives, if you really want to get their attention...

[Windflier]

Start dispersing caches.

Did our forefathers hide their guns when the British came to take them?

No. They shot them.

[Roccus]

If Trump signs any such law, he can kiss 2020 goodbye.

Rather than imagining President Trump signing such a bill in the future, you should look more closely at your own state's efforts to enact red flag laws right now.