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Water Vapor Can "Trap", Heat -- CO2 Cannot
Global warming Religion ^ | 08/15/19 | Reasonmclucus

Posted on 08/16/2019 12:09:53 AM PDT by kathsua

Those who talk about carbon dioxide affecting temperature ignore the fact that water's potential to affect air temperature is well established in science. Water vapor is the only atmospheric gas that can hold or "trap" heat.

Those who spend much time in greenhouses know that they are often very humid places because water evaporates from plants and from surfaces that get wet when the plants are watered. Meteorologists typically refer to the water vapor content of the air as relative humidity which is how close the air is to holding as much water vapor as it can hold at its current temperature.

Unfortunately many climatologists waste so much time on the nonexistent impact of radiation on air temperature that they don't provide sufficient emphasis to the significant impact of water vapor on air temperature. Those who want to blame climate changes on humans ignore the fact that the combustion of hydrogen containing fossil fuels increases the amount of water vapor in the air. Other human actitivies such as watering yards, washing cars and operating public fountains also add water to the atmosphere.

Water has some special thermal characteristics that can significantly affect atmospheric temperatures. Water heats and cools significantly slower than other components of the atmosphere. Water vapor needs to absorb over four times more heat energy than the same mass of other air molecules to raise its temperature the same amount. When it cools it releases four times more heat than other gases.

Thus as the water vapor content of the air increases the atmosphere will heat and cool slower than when the air is drier. This process tends to keep the temperature from rising as high during the day or cooling as much at night, although the increase in the overnight low may lead to an increase in the daytime temperature because the air doesn't have to heat as much to reach a higher temperature. In equatorial areas deserts have higher maximum temperatures and lower minimum temperatures than jungle areas where the humidity is higher.

Water vapor possesses what physicists have traditionally called "latent" heat. Latent heat refers to the heat energy water molecules must absorb to go from a solid to a liquid (heat of fusion 80 calories/gram) or a liquid to a gas(heat of vaporization 540 calories/gram). This energy isn't reflected in the temperature of the water vapor. However, when water vapor condenses back to a liquid, or freezes, the release of this latent heat can raise the temperature of the air. A gram of water vapor releases enough heat energy when it condenses to raise the temperature of 2 kg of air by 1 C.

At a dew point of approximately 65 F water vapor in the atmosphere holds as much heat energy as the rest of the atmosphere. This condition explains why dew points above 65 F are associated with the strongest thunderstorms.

Physicists define a "calorie" as the amount of heat required to raise the temperature of a gram of water 1 C. 27 C (82 F) is the same temperature as 300 Kelvin [the absolute temperature scale]. At 300 K water vapor has 300 calories of heat from its temperature and 620 calories of latent heat.

The dew point is the temperature at which water vapor will condense on objects or aerosals. The dew point normally is the lowest temperature the air will fall to. As the water vapor content of the air increases the dew point rises and the air doesn't get as cool at night.

The situation is more complex than I am presenting it in this post. I . The important facts to consider are that increases in humidity can raise the low, or minimum temperature, and limit the high, or maximum temperature, each day. In areas where significant snowfall occurs, the increase in low temperature can increase the melting of snow and ice by keeping the temperature above freezing for longer periods of time.

I recently came across a 10 year old study done by David R. Easterling of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's National Climatic Data Center in Asheville, N.C., indicating that humidity had increased and, as should have been expected, the minimum temperature had been increasing and the difference between the minimum and maximum daily temperatures, diurnal temperature range (DTR), had been declining.

The potential impact of changes in atmospheric water vapor are real science. Water vapor holds a substantial amount of heat energy. The only potential impact climatologists can find for carbon dioxide is the highly questionable claim about absorbing and re-radiating low energy IR. But then, if would be difficult for the politicians behind the global warming scare to make a case for getting rid of water.


TOPICS: Astronomy; Conspiracy; History; Science; Weather
KEYWORDS: algoreworld; astronomy; climatechange; co2; globalwarminghoax; globullwarming; greenhousegas; greennewdeal; science; trapheat; watervapor
It's time to take the money being wasted on climate "research" and use it on the wall
1 posted on 08/16/2019 12:09:53 AM PDT by kathsua
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To: kathsua

Or paying off our deficit.


2 posted on 08/16/2019 12:27:15 AM PDT by FormerFRLurker
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To: kathsua
Water vapor accounts for something like 97% of the greenhouse effect. About 99% of water vapor is of natural origin.

IIRC, about 1/4 of one percent of the greenhouse effect is caused by human production of greenhouse gases. (I say effect, as the various gases and substances effect it differently - I think methane provides a stronger effect than CO2.)

Anyway - as my kids were being indoctrinated in school, I put 100 pennies on the table. On one penny, I used White-Out to cover up 1/4 of that penny.

“Okay, so including water vapor and all the other gases in the atmosphere - the white part is how much that humans contribute to the greenhouse effect - or global warming. So - do you think humans have much of an effect on the climate or not?”

I also educated them on the solar sun spot cycles and other space cycles. But the pennies sure got the idea across to them.

3 posted on 08/16/2019 12:29:18 AM PDT by 21twelve (!)
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To: kathsua

Good article!

Also: there is another important lesson to learn from industrial greenhouses.

CO2 is plant food.


4 posted on 08/16/2019 12:33:15 AM PDT by agere_contra (Please pray for Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: kathsua

Someone recently pointed out selling carbon credits was originally an Enron idea. Then the gummint took them down and the next thing you know AlGore is in the carbon credit business. Funny.


5 posted on 08/16/2019 12:48:27 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: 21twelve

Re: methane provides a stronger effect than CO2

True.

But, there is so little methane in the atmosphere it has almost no heat impact at all.

CO2 - 0.04% of the atmosphere

Methane - 0.00017%


6 posted on 08/16/2019 1:22:56 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: wastoute

It never gets discussed, but five years into this carbon credit selling...Italian cops discovered this massive money laundrying scheme. My guess is that 100s of groups are using for the same purpose.


7 posted on 08/16/2019 1:30:59 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: kathsua

Another aspect of water vapor in the atmosphere is cloud formation. Clouds during daytime block some radiation heating from the sun and during the night reduce radiative cooling.


8 posted on 08/16/2019 1:48:22 AM PDT by monocle
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To: kathsua

L8r


9 posted on 08/16/2019 2:17:17 AM PDT by preacher ( Journalism no longer reports news, they use news to shape our society.)
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To: kathsua

It’s time to throw “climate scientists” over the wall.


10 posted on 08/16/2019 2:30:06 AM PDT by Bullish (My tagline ran off with another man.)
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To: kathsua

Unnatural climate change is BS but CO2 is a relative insulator. Thermal conductivity is well known for many materials.

Almost all of the air is N and O so to claim CO2 is some sort of a thermal threat is absurd.


11 posted on 08/16/2019 2:42:44 AM PDT by fruser1
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To: kathsua

Water has a very high specific heat.


12 posted on 08/16/2019 2:45:59 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: 21twelve

You are one kewl parent.


13 posted on 08/16/2019 3:05:53 AM PDT by Ciaphas Cain (Hillary has more mysterious deaths around her than Jessica Fletcher.)
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To: agere_contra
CO2 is plant food.

It is more than plant food. CO2 is literally the building material of all life. Every biological molecule is formed from CO2.

The fluorescent properties of CO2 in the IR range are not sufficient to explain its (supposedly) inordinate effects on atmospheric temperature. The absorption and emission of light in the IR range (i.e., its fluorescence) is an almost instantaneous process. CO2 cannot store IR light, which would be a crucial process for it to increase the heat content of the atmosphere.

14 posted on 08/16/2019 3:22:29 AM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: kathsua
DiHydrogen Oxide must be eliminated!!

/s...

15 posted on 08/16/2019 3:40:32 AM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: kathsua

Irony that green houses force pump CO2 to grow hydroponic crops, but the globul warming crowds insist CO2 is what causes the crop failures in Syria
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16 posted on 08/16/2019 3:51:44 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security in hatse:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: exDemMom
'Tis not exactly right.

CO2 *does* store the heat, in an asymmetrical excited vibrational state...which then can be transferred to other gas molecules.

What the global warming fanatics forget, is that the heat that is passed via molecular collisions to other gases, say, N2, is then passed right back to CO2. Local thermal equilibrium, time reveral invariance, yada yada.

The CO2 occasionally re-emits the photon (15 µm wavelenghth, IIRC) and jumps back down to its ground state, so there is no *net* heating over time.

17 posted on 08/16/2019 4:59:19 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers

The pertinent point is that the mechanism that supposedly is responsible for the disproportionate effects of CO2 on the heat content of the atm—its fluorescent properties within the IR band—is insufficient to account for such a huge effect. CO2 does not store energy through fluorescence, which is a nearly instantaneous process.

Any other mechanism by which CO2 would receive and transfer heat, through molecular motion/transfer/etc., is not unique to CO2.


18 posted on 08/16/2019 5:16:54 AM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: kathsua
the "scientists" pushing this CO2 hoax are claiming it is still true because though CO2 isn't that powerful as a greenhouse gas (indeed Mars has higher levels of CO2 than the earth but is much colder) but they are pushing that the warming caused by CO2 is promoting more water vapor into the atmosphere which IS causing the real warming. Here is a good video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gDErDwXqhc&feature=youtu.be

19 posted on 08/16/2019 6:28:34 AM PDT by Dad was my hero
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To: FormerFRLurker

Cut it out of the budget, cut it out of the tax rate and return it to the hands that earned it.

Nothing wrong with letting consumer demand influence the market.


20 posted on 08/16/2019 7:57:47 AM PDT by jmclemore (Go Trump)
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