Posted on 10/19/2019 10:49:38 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson
The actual verse says: Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.<<<<
No, it doesn't. The Greek word used is:
- Christos: the Anointed One, Messiah, Christ...
??? Is this one of those disputed texts then? Because here is the KJV verse reference.
Besides...Christ IS God, so either way the message and truth is clear.
Start with a false premise and it only goes downhill from there. When people have already decided what the answer should be, they make the data support the conclusion.
No one can move past the first step because it's a first step to nowhere fast, the land of fake news.
MHGinTN wrote:
Is that you, Michael Rood?
I've heard of the guy but that's about it.
Obviously it's pretty bad out there. A prophet could show up and tell everyone where Jesus the Good Shepherd is feeding his sheep, even giving map directions to the very street, even providing a physical description, and people would not only *not* catch on, they'd laugh and mock, because the Messiah whom God was trying to give wouldn't match their expectations (as per the established dogma, whatever the flavor). That prophet would be run out of town on a rail, or worse, just like the Good Book says.
Meanwhile, the Way of the Patriarchs is the sunny side, the way up, the side of hope, where the deer and the antelope play, where seldom is heard a discouraging word, and the skies are not cloudy all day.
Johnny Cash and the Carter Family sang about it. Great song!
It's not complicated. Change is as easy as putting one foot in front of the other, but a lot of folks prefer and demand disability. That's why the simple Gospel messages have been routed outside the dead system, to the embarrassment of all the experts. Through Rankin Bass Productions even, ridiculed for creating the cheesiest animations ever. God's a funny guy.
Here's one from Christmas 1970, what Kris Kringle sang:
Put one foot in front of the other
And soon you'll be walking 'cross the floor
Put one foot in front of the other
And soon you'll be walking out the door
You never will get where you're going
If you never get up on your feet
Come on, there's a good tail wind blowing
A fast walking man is hard to beat
It started with a little gift, a new custom. No tricks, no ulterior motives.
No, it's not disputed. We have the copies of the original Greek language in which they were written. The King James Version is a translation of the Hebrew and Greek into English. We have the benefit of Hebrew/Greek/English lexicons and concordances that gives us side-by-side translations of the entire Bible so we can see for ourselves what was originally written.
Besides...Christ IS God, so either way the message and truth is clear. Start with a false premise and it only goes downhill from there. When people have already decided what the answer should be, they make the data support the conclusion. No one can move past the first step because it's a first step to nowhere fast, the land of fake news.
What makes your premise true and those you disagree with false??? Do you realize that we have thousands of manuscript copies of the ancient languages of the writings of Scripture? We also can study these writings and we have no reason to doubt that the truth changes based upon which language is used. God intends for people to know His revealed word no matter WHEN they live. Granted, some versions are better than others, but they do not differ all that much. It was the translators who decided which words to use. Most Bible versions had multiple scholars working together to produce them. Finally, we have hundreds of verses in the Bible that reinforces the truth that Jesus Christ IS the incarnation (in the flesh) of the ONE, TRUE God. Your resistance to believing this is why you won't acknowledge that Jesus IS God. As the Son of God, He IS God because God is ONE. Nobody should expect to be capable of fully grasping and understanding this - it is an infinite truth that our finite minds simply won't be able to. There are many things that we believe by faith. Jesus even said, "If I have told you about earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you about heavenly things?" (see John 3:12). Indeed!
He warned the religious leaders that if they did not believe that He is "I AM" (the personal name of the LORD God) they would die in their sins. "Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.", He declared. (see John 8:58). We accept these truths by FAITH. Will you believe Him?
The Bible tells us the ordering of events, first the restrainer is departed from this world in the Body of ALL BELIEVERS since Pentecost, then the lawless one is revealed and humankind suffers great tribulation, then The Holy One of God returns to the Earth splitting the Mount of Olives and establishes peace while His Angels separate the sheep and goats, then the 1000 years of Christs reign upon the Earth unfolds. There are particulars associated to each of those ste[s which you are unable to receive in your unbelief.
No, it's not disputed. We have the copies of the original Greek language in which they were written. The King James Version is a translation of the Hebrew and Greek into English. We have the benefit of Hebrew/Greek/English lexicons and concordances that gives us side-by-side translations of the entire Bible so we can see for ourselves what was originally written.
I asked a simple question because your assertion was that the verse says "Christ" in the Greek (what is translated "God" into the English), and thus I posted the link to the Greek verse, because there is no word "Christ" in that verse. Thus I wondered if your were referring to some other Greek text of that verse.
I wanted to check for myself was was actually written, and it wasn't "Christ" in the Greek.
He warned the religious leaders that if they did not believe that He is "I AM" (the personal name of the LORD God) they would die in their sins. "Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.", He declared. (see John 8:58). We accept these truths by FAITH. Will you believe Him?
I believe him, not the people who jump to conclusions and decide what he (or Paul for that matter, as in the verse discussed above) said, which was somehow more complicated than what was said. In this instance, Jesus remarked that their father Abraham rejoiced to see his day, and he saw it, and was glad. The next thing you know, his words were interpreted as if he were claiming that he saw Abraham personally. Jesus could count on those fine folks to conjur up some accusation, to point to his words to say, "See, see!" It happened all the time. So predictable. Smug gotcha game players deserve to be trolled. They never learned, but they knew they had to get rid of him.
John 8
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
He was "not yet fifty years old", same as it is today. Then he saw himself out the door.
GOD has given us the view of furture events, how the return will unfold.. Your little rabbit trail about Jesus showing up in some street and people not recognizing Him tells me the truth is not in you.
History is prophecy because people don't learn from history, so it repeats.
I choose to remain on the sunny side, the way of hope, the way of light. It's where Jesus keeps busy, tending to the needs of his sheep.
Now there's a guy who manages just fine when the power goes out.
What Greek are you using then? This is what I looked at:
This is a Greek/English parallel study Bible. That last word "Χριστοῦ" is the Greek word for Christ. So, go ahead and prove you're right.
You continue to show you resist the truth that Jesus Christ is the incarnation of Almighty God. Why is that? Who do you say that He is?
And, BTW, Jesus was not lying when He told the religious leaders that He DID see Abraham personally.
What Greek are you using then?
The one I posted to you upthread, from BLB, which has God (theos) in the Greek. That's why I asked, as your English quote uses the word Christ.
So, go ahead and prove you're right.
I was right in asking about it. I needn't decide one over the other, but rather I am glad to be knowledgeable of the fact that there are different texts. I take it as a participation prize for inquiring in the first place.
Reminds me of the big rocks I keep digging up in my yard. I start with the intention of a small clean-up project but then I hit rock and dig some more. Always some treasure! I call them my prizes for playing. I keep getting these free gifts in abundance, which then give me more ideas for more projects and planters. It's great!
It's kind of like Christmas. People will argue over their various theories which conflict with the "proofs" from other theories, thus the never-ending debates on the matter. Yet the fact is that Christmas - December 25th - is the day that is celebrated as Christ's birthday. From that point of fact, the symbolism of the date can be pondered and studied (the month, day, season and so forth), because it really is all in the timing:
"To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: A time to be born..."
It's the concept - how to approach and appreciate information - because debaters get hung up on what's the "right day" verses the "wrong day", even getting surly about the ignorance of those on the other side, everyone flying right past the gate to higher understanding.
Now in contrast, light-hearted folks in the business world aren't trying to be theology-minded when they flip the whole season 180 degrees in order to promote "Christmas in July" sales for whatever they are advertising. Which is funny because...
... July is a month involving a lot of light. Not just for its being the height of summer in the northern hemisphere, but it's famous for the fireworks shows on Independence Day. Also, July 16th is the birthday of the Atomic Age. It doesn't get any brighter than that. Thus I derive much from seemingly pointless thought trails. They never disappoint. Like those rocks. They provide new vision for what to plant or design in an area that maybe I hadn't considered, even close to where I find them because some are just too heavy to relocate.
It's a different world entirely, always something new and fun to learn and connect and build. No room for darkness and its unproductive, can't-do ratwheel mentality. I stumbled upon this interesting data point a couple of months ago:
The word sphinx comes from the Greek Σφίγξ, apparently from the verb σφίγγω (sphÃngÅ), meaning "to squeeze", "to tighten up".[7][8] This name may be derived from the fact that, in a pride of lions, the hunters are the lionesses, and kill their prey by strangulation, biting the throat of prey and holding them down until they die. However, the historian Susan Wise Bauer suggests that the word "sphinx" was instead a Greek corruption of the Egyptian name "shesepankh", which meant "living image", and referred rather to the statue of the sphinx, which was carved out of "living rock" (rock that was present at the construction site, not harvested and brought from another location), than to the beast itself.
Heh, no wonder those rock discoveries come alive. They say "Here I am" just by sitting there, waiting for some interested soul to find them. It's the land of living parables. Jesus was always speaking in parables. Jesus the parable man.
You continue to show you resist the truth that Jesus Christ is the incarnation of Almighty God. Why is that? Who do you say that He is?
John 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
Who is he? He's the guy who keeps providing all of the vision and insight! It doesn't get any brighter than that -- like the the first light of the Atomic Age, like Christmas in July.
Duly noted. When you are asked to state what you believe about who Jesus is (your Christology), you refuse to do so and try to tell stories instead. Your eternity, friend.
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