Did Nikki Haley Just Reveal the Leaders of the 25th Amendment Push?

DB Daily Update ^ | David Blackmon

[EyesOfTX]

When Nikki Haley speaks, people listen. – When people start surveying the GOP landscape post-Trump, whether that comes in January after being removed from the the presidency by the Senate (which is not likely to happen), in January 2021 after a loss in the 2020 election (also not in the cards) or in January 2025 following the completion of his second term in office (bingo!), the survey inevitably lands to the name of Nikki Haley as one of his most likely successors.

Other names also arise, of course: Names like Mike Pence and Mike Pompeo and Ted Cruz, and the less obvious names like Florida Governor Ron DeSantis and Ohio Congressman Jim Jordan and even Texas Congressman Dan Crenshaw. Lindsey Graham, with his thrice-weekly appearances on one Fox News evening program or another, is obviously angling for another run at the gig, as are Rand Paul and even Kanye West. But inevitably, the name of Nikki Haley always comes up.

She is, after all, a former successful governor of South Carolina, and a person who, after not really being on board with the Trump Train during the 2016 campaign, created a very high profile for herself as Trump’s very loyal, very aggressive and very outspoken UN Ambassador. Although her record as Governor was decidedly mixed from a conservative perspective, perhaps more than any of Trump’s cabinet-level officials, Haley has stood out as the most aggressive advocate for his international policies.

Thus it is that anything she has to say about the goings-on inside White House during her two-year tenure is given a lot of weight by most Trump supporters. In a Sunday interview with Kelly O’Donnell of CBS, Haley basically accused both then-Chief of Staff John Kelly and then-Secretary of State Rex Tillerson of rank insubordination, even though she said they claimed that was not their intent.

Here’s the key outtake:

Haley recounts a closed-door encounter with then-White House Chief of Staff John Kelly and then-Secretary of State Rex Tillerson: “Kelly and Tillerson confided in me that when they resisted the president, they weren’t being insubordinate, they were trying to save the country … Tillerson went on to tell me the reason he resisted the president’s decisions was because, if he didn’t, people would die. This was how high the stakes were, he and Kelly told me. We are doing the best we can do to save the country, they said. We need you to work with us and help us do it. This went on for over an hour.”

O’Donnell asked, “You memorialized that conversation? It definitely happened?”

“It absolutely happened,” said Haley. “And instead of saying that to me, they should’ve been saying that to the president, not asking me to join them on their sidebar plan. It should’ve been, ‘Go tell the president what your differences are, and quit if you don’t like what he’s doing.’ But to undermine a president is really a very dangerous thing. And it goes against the Constitution, and it goes against what the American people want. And it was offensive.”

[We asked them to respond. John Kelly tells “Sunday Morning”: “If by resistance and stalling she means putting a staff process in place … to ensure the (president) knew all the pros and cons of what policy decision he might be contemplating so he could make an informed decision, then guilty as charged.”]

Undermining a president from the inside is indeed a very dangerous thing, as Haley notes, and her accusation against Kelly and Tillerson rings true given everything else we know about the two men and their behavior while serving in those positions. Tillerson repeatedly made his personal disdain for the President and his lack of support for Trump policies related to North Korea, China and other parts of the world very clear while serving as SOS, which is the main reason why his tenure in the office was so short. Kelly’s first move after moving into his Chief of Staff role was not to go after the myriad leakers inside the White House, but rather to cut the President off from his most loyal supporters and start to systematically force them out of their jobs.

Rumors have run rampant for more than two years now that both men were willing participants in the mid-2017 plot to dummy up a rationale for removing Trump from office under the 25th Amendment, a plot we know beyond any reasonable doubt that Rod Rosenstein was a part of. If you believe in the whole “where there’s smoke there’s fire” paradigm, it seems extremely likely that those persistent rumors must have some basis in reality.

If Haley’s contention about the approach by Tillerson and Kelly is accurate – and there is little reason to believe that it is not – then it would be consistent with a move that would be made as a part of a larger 25th amendment effort targeting the President. Haley’s contention here, and cryptic use of the term “sidebar plan,” is troubling in the extreme, and Tillerson’s refusal to even respond to it does not reflect well on him. Kelly’s response, which does not in any way address the accusation, may be even worse.

As mentioned earlier, Haley’s interview – promoting her new book – is also a not-so-subtle attempt to keep herself in the public eye, ready to quickly move in the unlikely event of Trump’s actual removal by the Senate. The following passage reveals that part of her personal agenda:

Haley insists she has no immediate plans to run for any office, including the presidency, and as she departed the Trump administration last year she said, “I can promise you what I’ll be doing is campaigning for this one.”

She told O’Donnell, “A year is a long time in politics. It really is a lifetime in politics. And so, I think what’s best for me is take it a year at a time and see what happens.”

With her new book, lucrative speaking engagements, and a seat on the corporate board of Boeing, Nikki Haley acknowledges there are still chapters to be written: “I’m too young to stop fighting. I’ll always be out there. I’ll always use the power of my voice for what I believe is good.”

So, whether the jumping off point becomes early 2020, early 2021 or the 2024 election campaign, you can be sure that Nikki Haley will be vying to become the face of the GOP in the wake of the Trump presidency. Lining herself up as this President’s most loyal and vocal supporter helps her cause immensely.

That is all.

[a fool in paradise]

Support and leadership are 2 different things. Democrats were calling for this in November 2016.

[babble-on]

One correction for Nikki: it doesn’t actually go against the constitution. In fact, the 25th Amendment is PART OF the constitution.

[Snake Skin Sonny]

Did Nikki Haley Just Reveal the Leaders of the 25th Amendment Push?

I don't know...coulda just been her recipe for cornpone.

Who writes these stupid headlines?

There are no journalists anymore.

[usnavy_cop_retired]

She was on Hannity and said she told PDJT about the conversation.

[SkyShot]

“And yet she never took it to the President - she wants to look good and pious by saying they were bad and she still didn’t take any action...against the bad men...”

And you know this because......? Here’s a pro tip. Maybe shut yer yap until you gain possession of the facts.

[EyesOfTX]

That’s what enemies do.

When you get ####ed by your own is when you’re in a lot of trouble.

And YES, I DO believe the story that sessions was all for this.

I don’t know why some people are so stubborn about that POS

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Because you have a ton of people who follow a newspaper-throwing writer for the Epoch Times who hang on his every word as he spins the wildest conspiracy theories ever invented by the human mind with literally ZERO actual inside information to support them.

It’s the damnedest thing I’ve ever seen.

[georgiarat]

When asked by Seb Gorka that very question last night she responded she did go to the President.

[dp0622]

Yeah I actually don’t know what to believe anymore :)

But i know the world.

And sessions f..ked him once.

which means he can do it again.

[CaptainK]

Or perhaps the author of the anonymous author of the piece claiming to be part of an active resistance within the White House.

Yes. Is it a coincidence that her revelations come at the same time as the release of the Anonymous book?

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

“You memorialized that conversation?..."

[EyesOfTX]

Do you live in the Fort Worth area? The reason I ask is that I swear that is my cat, Max, who I adopted from a shelter early last year.

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

Nope. I’m in the Northeast. That cat has been a ‘WTF’ meme for years now. From the picture, it would seem that Max is a personable lad. At the least, expressive.

[dynoman]

“And yet she never took it to the President”

How do you know? You don’t. Both of them were replaced, so it’s more likely she did take it to Trump.

[dynoman]

Even people here on FR make up crap to hate on Nikki. Pretty amazing.

[hardspunned]

I might give Cruz a second look as a presidential candidate (although I hope he’s sitting on the Supreme Court by then) but I’m pretty much done with the Republican Party regulars. In 2024 I know of a minimum of 50 million voters who would agree with me. I want Donald Trump Jr. as my next president. I trust hardly anyone else.

[kidd]

Some here have some deep animosity towards Haley.

I thought she did a fine job as the ambassador to the UN. She stood up to the usual nonsense. We were all sad to learn of her resignation. And yes, she did tell the President about these two.

I’m not alone, Rush thinks she did a good job at the UN too.

Does this Haley hatred go back to her term as Governor of SC?

[Verginius Rufus]

A plain reading of the 25th amendment shows that the President would continue to be the President. He would not be removed from office, just prevented from exercising its powers while the Vice President was "Acting President."

Apparently no one who has thought about using the 25th amendment against Trump has bothered to read the amendment, or is able to understand what it says.

Anyway, Pence would have to co-operate with any such plot. Besides that, the plotters would have to get 2/3rds of each House of Congress to go along with their scheme.

[Bratch]

Nikki Haley, President Trump and MAGA Convenient Friction…

Posted on November 10, 2019 by sundance

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You might have noticed today how former U.S. Ambassador to the U.N, Nikki Haley, has grabbed multiple headlines.  Apparently within her new book, the former South Carolina republican – who removed historic monuments and then moved her permanent residence to New York, has outlined Rex Tillerson and John Kelly as stealth insiders working to undermine President Trump and attempting to bring Haley into their clique.

This move is so typically Nikki Haley it would almost have been predictable right?

Well, it was.

In 2018 CTH foretold and forewarned of exactly what Nikki Haley would do.  She is as predictable as the sunrise.  [SEE HERE]  Everything about Nikki Haley is opportunistic, political and false.  Nikki Haley is the female version of Mitt Romney.

CTH Archives […]  Due to the increasing success of the MAGA or Trump Republican apparatus, Haley will need to carefully position herself as a stealth Decepticon and not upset the vulgarian hordes; ie. the new republican party base voter.

As a smart and tactical politician Haley will invest heavily in the optics of supporting the MAGA movement; and embrace President Trump to avoid any conflict. (more)

I’m not going to write about it again.  CTH forecast exactly what would happen.

Nikki Haley relies on people with short memories.  She is a liar, a manipulator, and a purely political animal.   She wants to be president.  She will manipulate anyone and everyone in the process in order to achieve her career goals.

Remember in January 2016 when Nikki Haley gave the State of the Union rebuttal so she could attack the outside candidacy of Donald Trump?   A month later she endorsed Marco Rubio for president.  Or maybe you remember in June 2016 when Nikki Haley blamed Trump supporters for causing violence in San Jose?

Nikki Haley has one priority, Nikki Haley.  Everything else is a transaction.

She claimed South Carolina as her home in order to advance her political career.  Haley would never have become Governor without the endorsement of Sarah Palin and the help of the Tea Party; months later Haley openly rebuked, dismissed and disparaged Ms. Palin.

Haley enamored herself with the uniparty political ruling class, and after the politically correct and opportunistic response to the Emmanuel Church shooting, including the removal of all confederate flags, civil war monuments and historic South Carolina history….. she bailed out of South Carolina permanently and moved to New York.

Haley is for Haley, and she will do anything, sell-out anyone, and hitch her wagon to any helpful enterprise (ie. MAGA) to attain her political ambitions.  In 2016 she thought Marco Rubio was her best play; then she moved to join the Trump administration.  Now she has her eyes on the oval office.

She is the worst form of politician.

If Nikki Haley can ride a coup into the White House….

Don’t take my word for it, ask Rex Tillerson and John Kelly.

 

[Guenevere]

‘When Haley speaks, people listen’

BALDERDASH!!!!!!!!!

If you think The South has forgotten Haley’s direct orders to tear down Confederate heritage and give access to other towns and states following suit......

then you don’t understand hard wired Patriots who cherish their ancestors

This is NOT about restarting the Civil War ........

But those of us who DON’T want our history books revised or reimagined more than they are, would NEVER consider Haley for anything more than dog catcher

[Widget Jr]

"Undermining a president from the inside is indeed a very dangerous thing..."
"...it seems extremely likely that those persistent rumors must have some basis in reality."

I have a hard time understanding why Kelly, Tillerson, or Mattis accepted their positions in the Trump administration. They all knew what Trump wanted and that he was going to shake things up. End wars that had no ending. Address trade and immigration. Address jobs, growth, and minority issue. He said it, he campaigned on it, and like it or not, is working to follow through on it.

Then as soon as they were in their Cabinet offices, they immediately start ignoring and undermining the President and his policies that they all signed on to support. No other President that I know of has had such a hard time getting cabinet level people to actually do their jobs like Trump.