Extend the Range of .22 Shotshells with Reverse Paradox Tubes for a Garden Gun

Gun Watch ^ | 19 May, 2020 | Dean Weingarten

[Tijeras_Slim]

Not certain, but by increasing the bore diameter is may reduce the effect of the gasses on the shot string by reducing pressure prior to leaving the muzzle, as the crimp type shells don’t have any type of real wad or shotcup.

[Mouton]

I use a 38 Special with snake shot.

So do I. Effective on rats I have seen in the yard. Cannot use something that has a range beyond 25 yards or I might hit my neighbors property. Only downside is the noise since I am now “blessed” with neighbors from Yankee land.

[Beagle8U]

Since you are getting the improved patterns with a 30” overbore tube, it might make more sense to put the tube on a pistol?

A pistol with a 34” barrel might be less unwieldy than a rifle with 5 foot barrel?

Before I spent too much time on 5 foot plastic 22 cal barrels, I would design a choke tube to screw on the end of a 22 cal rifle.

A ‘jug choke’ isn’t that hard to make and it would look less goofy than a 5 foot barrel.

[gundog]

Might be time to consider a.410.

[redfreedom]

I was thinking similar. With the Judge loaded with bird shot you cannot miss as far out as 50 feet for self defense purposes.

For varmits or self defense, the Judge or Governor cannot be beaten for quick draw point and shoot deadly accuracy.

Using the four steel ball load (000 buck)which gives about an 8 inch shot grouping with the balls, I have been successful at shooting swimming beaver at about 50 feet with a carefully aimed shot.

With the right gear, this pistol can be concealed quite easily.

[marktwain]

A ‘jug choke’ isn’t that hard to make and it would look less goofy than a 5 foot barrel.

My experiments show it does not work with .22 shotshells, at least for oversize tubes.

It might work with larger shot and longer shot strings.

Feel free to experiment. I would love to read your results.

[marktwain]

Not certain, but by increasing the bore diameter is may reduce the effect of the gasses on the shot string by reducing pressure prior to leaving the muzzle, as the crimp type shells don’t have any type of real wad or shotcup.

I have a theory the pellets do not interact with each other as they leave the bore, thus, they do not impart lateral motion on leaving the bore.

The two ideas complement each other.

[myerson]

Get a “fake” screw-on suppressor. They are cheap and work great. The idea is to channel the shot charge to proceed straight/parallel after it leaves the barrel, rather than to allow it keep it flaring out like a funnel. (This is some free professional advice to my beloved fellow Freepers from the “Wadwizard”.)

[marktwain]

Using the four steel ball load (000 buck)which gives about an 8 inch shot grouping with the balls, I have been successful at shooting swimming beaver at about 50 feet with a carefully aimed shot.

Very interesting.

However, I suspect the 000 buck is lead, and not steel, unless you are making a specialty load of your own.

[samadams2000]

Is this also quieter? Asking for a friend.

[deport]

The ten foot ones are not too common. They are eaten by the 20 foot ones.

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[marktwain]

Longer barrels are almost always quieter. The report of a .22 shotshell is not real loud to start with.

[marktwain]

Take em down in flight 50 to 60 ft

Wow. That is impressive!

I need to do some testing on live pests, obviously.

[marktwain]

.22 is quieter

Quite a bit quieter out of a rifle. The longer the barrel, the quieter.

[Beagle8U]

I think for a jug choke to work the transition to the choke would have to be near bore dia., meaning a smooth transition from bore to jug and back.

[marktwain]

I am serious when I write I would love to read the results of your tests.

[Beagle8U]

I nolonger have access to a lathe to make one.

[marktwain]

I experimented with shooting through shotgun barrels with chokes. I only looked at 20 and 12 gauge barrels.

I could not percieve any advantage to a choke over a cylinder bore, for the .22 shotshells.

[marktwain]

What length was the fake suppressor?

What kind of patterns were obtained?

It could save me some work, to know.

[Tijeras_Slim]

You might want to consider the Cutts Compensator which was very popular with skeet shooters from the 30's onward as an external jug choke.

They are annoyingly loud for bystanders, but produce good patterns (I've had several guns with them.) There is a possibly apocryphal story of a Russian coach who bought a Wincheter model 12 form a shooter that had one installed, and returned the gun with the end of the barrel cut off. Later Russian teams had guns with a jug type choke called the Tula choke which performed well. The downside of an expansion chamber choke in the barrel is it is difficult to clean.

Choke devices are the shotgunning equivalent of miracle lures for fishing, and gadgets in golfing, the way to "buy" results. Every one promises some sort of magic that will break more birds. As a currently laid off sporting clays instructor, I tell my new shooters when the subject of choke comes up "On a good day chokes don't matter, and on a bad day chokes don't help."