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A Man With Some Questions
11/8/2020 | Chris Volkay

Posted on 11/08/2020 7:00:38 PM PST by cvolkay

Since the election, a few questions pop into my mind and I'm hoping some of you out there will be kind enough to answer them for me for me. I'm rather simple.

As a boy I remember reciting the Pledge of Allegiance. Now, I know what pledge means but it's that allegiance thing has me in a bit of a quandary. We are supposed to have allegiance to the government and I believe I have for my entire life, but in the hypothetical, when an illegitimate government comes to power by employing either force or fraud, does our oath of allegiance still apply? I'm asking.

A guess. Wouldn't a government that takes power in a way deemed illegitimate (force or fraud) no longer be worthy of said allegiance. Once crimes have been committed and there is no legitimacy, then wouldn't all bets be off? so to speak?

Another question? Doesn't a citizen of the United States that actually loves his country have some kind of a duty or obligation to restore honor and legitmacy to the republic that has been taken over in a bloodless coup? Again, I'm asking.

As I recall various examples throughout history, many forms of resistance were employed. First and foremost we are talking about bloodless resistance. No violence, put away your guns, even the butter knives stay in the drawer.

Since everything in the material world always seems to come down to money, let's look at this. No criminal enterprise seems to be able to operate without it. So, as a hypothetical, wouldn't withholding all forms of money, fees, duties, taxes and all the rest of it, be solidly within the purview of said resistance? Basically to 'Defund' a fraud govt. Don't know, why I'm asking.

If large numbers of American citizens stopped paying taxes (although they shouldn't of course) wouldn't that almost instantly halt a fraud government in its tracks? Wouldn't 10 or 20 or 40 million households do this? And wouldn't these moves be righteous acts of civil disobedience and not criminal acts, as the government in question is a fraud? That's my question.

In dealing with criminals and not a legitimate government, couldn't one argue that all acts of civil disobedience become obligations of citizens?

Citing history, I think back to the French, the French collaborators and the French Resistance. The French Resistance did everything they could against the occupying forces of their country. They were some of the first so-called monkey wrenchers using any and all ways, (everything from A to Z really) to oppose and eventually defeat their illegal occupiers.

As I said, I have no statements to make, I wish only to be enlightened.


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: biden; election; notnews; stealelection; stopthesteal; trump; vanitiesbelonginchat; vanity; wheresyourblog
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1 posted on 11/08/2020 7:00:38 PM PST by cvolkay
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To: cvolkay
Doesn't a citizen of the United States that actually loves his country have some kind of a duty or obligation to restore honor and legitmacy to the republic that has been taken over in a bloodless coup?

I'm liking it.

2 posted on 11/08/2020 7:03:30 PM PST by kiryandil (Chris Wallace: Because someone has to drive the Clown Car)
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To: cvolkay

Our oath is to the Republic as well as the flag. If the Republic is threatened, as is the case today, it is out obligation to defend it.


3 posted on 11/08/2020 7:07:36 PM PST by calenel (Tree of Liberty is thirsty.)
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To: cvolkay

Americans pledge allegiance not to government, but to the republic for which the flag represents. The constitution that defines and creates the contract between the people and their representatives.


4 posted on 11/08/2020 7:08:01 PM PST by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world or something)
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To: kiryandil
Take a look at this Red Skelton Pledge Of Alegence
5 posted on 11/08/2020 7:09:26 PM PST by DarthFuzball ("Life is full of little surprises." - Pandora)
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To: cvolkay

Starve the beast is what you are saying. Problem is the beast can create it’s “food” at the printing presses it controls. In the end we are hurting ourselves more than the beast as runaway inflation starts to take hold.


6 posted on 11/08/2020 7:09:52 PM PST by Robert DeLong
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You have read the Declaration of Independence, I take it? especially the part about what to do when a “government (that) becomes destructive of these ends (safeguarding unalienable rights)” arises?

Also, the Pledge of Allegiance is “to the republic for which it (the US Flag) stands” rather than a socialist entity.


7 posted on 11/08/2020 7:11:29 PM PST by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: kiryandil

Bloodless?

Think about the many civilians who were murdered, just because they dared show support for our President.

Think of all of the Police Officers who have been shot, some murdered and other permanently disfigured, just because they dared to do their job.

I don’t know about anybody else, but the threats made against ordinary Americans who dare to support the President, our flag and our Constitution by no less than sitting members of Congress and a candidate for Vice President, seriously. Very seriously.

I am a Sovereign Citizen of the United States of America. I am NOT a Serf nor a Subject. I will NOT be RULED.


8 posted on 11/08/2020 7:12:09 PM PST by Howie66 ("Ghislane Maxwell Didn't Kill Herself")
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All valid thoughts and questions but remember the wheels of our system are still turning. President Trump is fighting this to the bitter end and may still be proven to be the true winner. If he does win then that fact alone by definition proves our system actually WORKED and it worthy of of allegiance.

So at this point to start to build a perspective. I would suggest reading the entire text of the Declaration Of Independence. In fact I recommend everyone do this. Read it multiple times over a period of days. Then maybe read the Bill of Rights and selected parts of the Federalist Papers.

9 posted on 11/08/2020 7:15:27 PM PST by precisionshootist (uic)
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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God with liberty and justice for all
10 posted on 11/08/2020 7:17:04 PM PST by vigilante2 (Make liberals cry again)
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Someone wrote once the John F. Kennedy beloved speech line “Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country” was a statement of fascism.

It meant we are supposed to be little worker drones on the bottom, making money to pay high taxes so the big government can run everything including our lives. When we would need something in return, the govt. would say screw off, we own you, little guy. Get back to slaving away for us.

The alternative would be freedom and independence, earning our own way in the jobs or professions we chose, living where we chose and doing what we wanted.

Thought provoking.


11 posted on 11/08/2020 7:18:05 PM PST by frank ballenger (End vote fraud harvesting,non-citizen voting & leftist media news censorship or we are finished.)
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bump


12 posted on 11/08/2020 7:20:13 PM PST by foreverfree
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To: calenel

I will give the process a chance. I really don’t think Trump will give up.

He’s not used to losing. And if he clearly sees that he lost to a fraud and cheat, he won’t let that slide. He’ll run down to his last 10 dollars to defeat it.

Because that’s what he’s armed with. But he turns to the camera and asks us rise up, I’m out the door that moment.

But here is what we can all do, myself included. Instead of thinking about shooting and killing (Which will only wind you up dead or in jail) consider the REAL thing that governments fear.

Our government, regardless of the context, “Allows us” to own firearms. Which is ridiculous. The constitution doesn’t apply to us. It applies to the government. It doesn’t tell us what we can or can’t do. It tells the government what it has to do.

The days of the 2nd amendment are far over. The 2nd amendment clarified a part of the constitution where congress was told that they have to maintain a militia of the people. They don’t do that. The whole thing is in default.

I think many of you know where I stand on guns. The 2nd amendment doesn’t protect my right to own and bear arms. Nature does. God does. I do. I don’t need a man or group of men telling me when, how and if I can defend myself and my family. That’s ridiculous.

But back on point.

The government allows firearms ownership. What they seem to have a problem with is DRONES. Yes, Drones. Drones scare the shit out of them. Why is that ?

I’ll tell you why. Drones provide information and a way through the defenses. Got a line of police blocking you? Send in a drone. Drones are more powerful than a gun, clearly, or else they wouldn’t set an immediate federal law registering them over a certain weight.

So here is how I will, and do, fight tyranny. A gun is on me, but only for the reasons that a gun should be on someone. What I do to fight a system is hack.

I’m a hacker. It’s not as hard as you would think. I identify data and I destroy it. I corrupt it so bad that it’s rendered useless.

That is what we all can do to actually fight. Hack.


13 posted on 11/08/2020 7:31:53 PM PST by Celerity
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You pledge allegiance to the flag and the republic. Not the government. As long as the government is supporting and advancing the republic, it is an ally in your pledge. Once the government switches over to dismantling the republic, it is no longer an ally in your pledge. The key is that you weren’t pledging allegiance to the government, but to the republic and it’s sign, the flag.


14 posted on 11/08/2020 7:33:23 PM PST by Michael44. (Brevity... ROCKS!)
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To: Celerity

*bkmk


15 posted on 11/08/2020 7:49:33 PM PST by Irenic (.)
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To: cvolkay
"citzens stopped paying taxes"

The IRS has access to all your assets anytime they want.

16 posted on 11/08/2020 7:55:53 PM PST by Deaf Smith (When a Texan takes his chances, crhances will be taken that's for sure)
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To: Celerity

bkmk


17 posted on 11/08/2020 9:15:01 PM PST by sbnsd
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To: cvolkay

Why do I get the feeling that the author of the article/essay is under the mistaken impression that a Harris administration will allow competition for power once she is installed (real presidents elected by we the people take an oath of office, but I doubt there is a demon rat in government or voting that puts any fealty to any oath).


18 posted on 11/08/2020 9:21:10 PM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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The ‘stimulus’ checks were not funded with tax monies because can’t collect enough taxes to even balance a budget. watch how the cloward-piven strategy ramps up under heels up harris and her enemies of the Republic. And regulations ... get prepared to use a snorkel ‘cause she and her socialist will take full control like the Nazis they really are, using oppressive regulatory tactics. And owning guns? Pshaw, even BB rifles like my Daisy will come under government regulation, fines, and possible imprisonments for defy the orders from Frau Fuhrer. Naivete is so useful to the socialist oligarchy as they install their America ending dictates.


19 posted on 11/08/2020 9:27:36 PM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: cvolkay

A lovely, though naive sentiment.

Government is FORCE. It does not reason, negotiate or sympathise. THAT is why the founders of the USA so desperately TRIED to put it in shackles, so people could be FREE!

The *uniparty* has spent the last 150 or so years trying to undo the chains the Founders placed on the federal government. Now it is up to the patriots remaining to either restore the freedom of their fellow citizens, or accept the chains that ARE coming.

Feel-good platitudes are overwith. It is time to DO or be enslaved.

Your choice, FRiend. I know where I and many others stand.


20 posted on 11/08/2020 9:44:26 PM PST by Don W (When blacks riot, neighbourhoods and cities burn. When whites riot, nations and continents burn.)
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