If You Think the Ammo Shortage is Bad, Consider This

americas1stfreedom.org ^ | March 15, 2021 | Brian McCombie

[PROCON]

Ammunition companies have not been able to keep up with consumer demand. There are many reasons for this. In 2020, over eight million Americans bought their first gun. These people now need ammo. Others are stockpiling. It’s hard to blame them, as we now have President Joe Biden (D), Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), and U.S. Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) all saying they want to pass new gun-control laws.

But if you think the shortage is bad now, just imagine if these politicians got one more thing they want: a repeal of the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA).

When he was running for president, Biden made a campaign promise to do all he could to repeal the PLCAA; also, “his agenda for his first 100 days in office includes introducing legislation to accomplish this goal,” to NRA-ILA. Ending the PLCAA would mean the destruction of the U.S. firearms industry, including the ammunition industry.

In 2005, the PLCAA was enacted to bring an end to frivolous and damaging lawsuits that anti-Second Amendment organizations and individuals were using to financially cripple gun makers.

As NRA-ILA explained: “Imagine if firearm manufactures and sellers—even those who strictly followed the laws enacted to regulate their industry—faced potential civil liability every time a criminal misused a firearm. The effect would be similar to holding automobile makers and dealers responsible for injuries caused by drunk drivers. No business, no matter how conscientious and law-abiding, could ever survive being liable for the acts of millions of random people over whom it had no control.”

Pragmatically speaking, the Second Amendment is not viable if we can’t purchase firearms, ammunition, and related shooting gear.

The PLCAA was passed by a bipartisan majority in both chambers of Congress and signed into law by then-President George W. Bush. The impetus for the PLCAA was a flood of lawsuits that sought to hold firearms manufacturers responsible for illegal acts perpetrated with firearms.

“Lawsuits were piling up in the mid to late 1990’s and early 2000’s when over 40 big city mayors conspired through the U.S. Conference of Mayors with gun-control activist lawyers from the Brady Center and greedy trial lawyers,” the National Shooting Sports Foundation reported. “Their plan was to haul firearm manufacturers and sellers into court to make the industry pay for the subsequent criminal misuse of legal, non-defective firearms lawfully sold after a background check to law-abiding Americans exercising their Second Amendment rights.”

And these lawsuits didn’t even have to be victorious for the anti-Second Amendment groups to score wins. Simply keeping the gun makers in court, fighting to survive while the antis filed innumerable lawsuits, extensions, and appeals, cost millions of dollars and could have even bankrupted these manufacturers.

Biden and other anti-Second Amendment activists routinely claim that the PLCAA provides some extraordinary grant of immunity upon the firearms industry; actually, the law simply says that these agenda-driven lawsuits can’t be brought against a manufacturer and other companies.

Jonathan Turley, the Shapiro Professor of Public Interest Law at George Washington University addressed this in an op-ed for The Hill. He wrote, “Product liability and tort actions against manufacturers have uniformly and correctly been rejected by the courts. Guns are lawful products, and holding companies liable for later misuse of such products is absurd. You might as well sue an axe manufacturer for the Lizzy Borden murders.”

Remove the protections in place with PLCAA, and every firearm, shotshell, and cartridge maker could theoretically be sued every time a criminal uses a firearm in an illegal act. Every lawsuit would cost these manufacturers a great deal of money in legal fees.

If gun makers and dealers go bankrupt, gun-control groups can effectively end the Second Amendment without a single win in court.

[M Kehoe]

Bttt.

5.56mm

[PROCON]

Thanks FRiend.

[RC one]

I feel like the GOP could have been much more proactive in advancing the 2A ball down the field over the past 25 years. They refuse to play offense though. They refuse to score touchdowns. They seem more like 2A hostage takers than stalwart 2A defenders.

The democrats are just the opposite-they're always on offense-trying to kill the hostage. When the republicans do pass something pro-2A, it's only because they have to-to protect their hostage. It's not out of love for the 2A-the love that most of us hold in our heart for this cherished freedom.

I truly feel that the only thing that gets the GOP excited are tax cuts for millionaires and they just need to keep us voting for them so they can get THAT ball into the end zone. So they hold he 2A over our heads. Hostage. I think it's basically the same for most conservative issues actually.

[RC one]

Quid Pro Joe and Quid Pro Ho ain’t your President M Kehoe.

[Travis McGee]

Then we'll have to reuse the ammo we have to take back all three boxes.

[Levy78]

2A yahoos ? STFU, Bob, you little worm. Go cuddle with your RINOs cuck-boi

[Big Red Badger]

“Give It Up!”
.
From a Bear Cat.

[SuperLuminal]

Tick...Tock...
Communists on the march...
Americans fell asleep in the North Church tower...☹

[A Navy Vet]

"If you are too cowardly and stupid to fight at the ballot box, you absolutely won't fight on the battlefield."

A little harsh since Pres. Trump won at the ballot box with some 70 million votes.

[BobL]

“2A yahoos ? STFU, Bob, you little worm. Go cuddle with your RINOs cuck-boi”

LOL, you know just what I mean. I don’t you, but there plenty here who say “Come and Take it!!!”. My point being that they won’t even need to leave their air conditioned office in DC to make those people ‘bend the knee’, and YOU KNOW IT.

[PROCON]

Ammo prices are starting to drop some.

I'm seeing that too.

Just looked on ammoseek.com, 9mm brass ammo is around 0.50/rd and up.

.223 brass ammo is 0.65/rd, steel .223 is around the same price.

Encouraging.

[A Navy Vet]

"So good luck massing your army with the remaining 1000 or so holdouts, but keep in mind that half of them will be FBI informants."

As I've been saying, there will be no direct confrontations in the streets against the National Guard or regular Military. The militias and other orgs are out-gunned.

However, think Swamp Rats. I prefer not to see what they may do, but that is the only way to make a difference. I'm 71 and glad I lived in a free Republic for most of my life. What others do, is up to them. I did my part for Liberty, but content to head to my home stretch.

[SuperLuminal]

"This time last year I was still getting 7.62x39 for $220/1000, 5.56 was under $459/1000.

Now u be lucky to find some for only double the cost, and its the super cheap steel case stuff."

This time a couple of decades ago (1998 - 2000 I was still getting 7.62x39 and 5.56 for about $59/1000.

Easy... Cheaper Than Dirt or many, many, many trips to the shows (2-to-3 per year) in Harrisburg, PA (Farm Show & Expo Center)...

Grandchildren & great Grandchildren are now set for any "hunting" needs for many years yet to come...

[2aProtectsTheRest]

You’re mostly right here. Both sides hold the 2A issue over the head of their base and both sides want to keep it as an issue. Democrats will never try to totally ban everything because that would end the issue for them. Rather, they’ll do what they’ve done in places like California and New York, where they play feature whack-a-mole. They’ll do partial bans, extend waiting periods, tack on fees, increasingly restrict time and place, etc. but a full on ban wouldn’t give them the campaign issue.

And Republicans are the same. They’ll remove some restrictions here and there. They’ll talk about national reciprocity. They’ll promise a rollback of some bans and such. But you know what they’ll never do? Repeal the NFA/GCA/FOPA, actually pass national reciprocity or national constitutional carry. If we want any of that, we have to go to court.

Alan Gura has done more for the Second Amendment than the entire Republican party of the last 100 years.

[freepersup]

Thank you for the list.

I recently went to a Cabella’s in PHX (Glendale) 3 consecutive mornings in a row (Fri, Sat, Sun) prior to opening and got the last 5 boxes of #50 rounds each in Herter’s .40 S&W 180gr. (target) for $103 and some change, on the 3rd day.

I mostly did it for the experience/feedback.

Looks like there is plenty of ammo online so there’s no need to stand in line like sheep with an uncertain outcome as the end result. I planned to buy something, anything, after standing in line.

My first choice was 7.62 x .39, which was unavailable, so my second choice was the .40, and my third choice- a default pick of 12ga., which was available but in what caliber- I did not learn... as I was able to get the last of the .40 (limiting out) so I left the store.

I was positioned about halfway in a line of probably 50-75 people. The limitations were 5 boxes per customer or 8 boxes if you had a Cabella’s credit card and used it specifically for the purchase.

I saw couples buying 8 boxes each of 5.56 (at 150 rounds per) so they cleaned up with 2,800 rounds, and in comparison- I only wound up with 250 rounds.

[BobL]

Thanks, but you’re even more optimistic than me. When you go through the checklist of what’s needed to effect a credible insurrection (and no, a guy wearing horns hanging a picture of naked black guy sitting on a bed is not an ‘insurrection’), they control EVERYTHING.

While there may be a few rag-tags that try to fight back, they’ll be so badly out-organized and with no communication capability beyond two cans with a string between them*, and then being loaded with informants**, it’s simply over.

I appreciate what you did for the country, and while I can’t match it, I tried to help this country in other ways - but they simply outsmarted us and quietly got the control they needed PRIOR to effecting their insurrection.

So it’s game over here. Trump CLEARLY understood these people now in power, which is why he went to Georgia to try to drag the Senate RINOs over the finish line there, but FAR TOO MANY people here were clueless, which was EXACTLY what the Left needed to finally take over, for good.

*after all, whose side do we think the cell phone, Internet, and other related outfits will be on?

**all it takes is one guy in a group with a big mouth or an ex who rats them out. The FBI may not give a crap when we tell them about Muslims organizing to fly planes into buildings, but they sure as heck will respond if it’s any group organizing against the dictatorship that we’re now in.

[gundog]

[Big Red Badger]

Yup,
“Goin’ Home.”
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SOYLENT Green

[Mark]

I’ll give you one roll of toilet paper tomorrow for one box of ammo today.

[A Navy Vet]

You make credible points, but insurrection would not be the name of the game. Other than a few idiots who claim so will not have any affect and be cut down immediately by superior forces. Fear of individual Swamp Rats could change the political posture/landscape of DC. Read up. Think outside the box, and yes I know secure comms are a big problem. Think Aftganiscrap individual tribes that have repelled everyone through history.

Disclaimer: I don't suggest, endorse, nor wish such a thing. However, if and when the time comes to fight this encroaching communism, many veteran (some Active) Patriots will know the drill. Spec Operators know how to recognize infiltrators. Why do you think SEAL and Delta units are able to operated around the World without intel agencies leaking beforehand? Those ops come out after the fact as in Bin Laden and other major terrorist kills.