Posted on 03/19/2021 11:01:06 AM PDT by PROCON
Ammunition companies have not been able to keep up with consumer demand. There are many reasons for this. In 2020, over eight million Americans bought their first gun. These people now need ammo. Others are stockpiling. It’s hard to blame them, as we now have President Joe Biden (D), Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), and U.S. Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) all saying they want to pass new gun-control laws.
But if you think the shortage is bad now, just imagine if these politicians got one more thing they want: a repeal of the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA).
When he was running for president, Biden made a campaign promise to do all he could to repeal the PLCAA; also, “his agenda for his first 100 days in office includes introducing legislation to accomplish this goal,” to NRA-ILA. Ending the PLCAA would mean the destruction of the U.S. firearms industry, including the ammunition industry.
In 2005, the PLCAA was enacted to bring an end to frivolous and damaging lawsuits that anti-Second Amendment organizations and individuals were using to financially cripple gun makers.
As NRA-ILA explained: “Imagine if firearm manufactures and sellers—even those who strictly followed the laws enacted to regulate their industry—faced potential civil liability every time a criminal misused a firearm. The effect would be similar to holding automobile makers and dealers responsible for injuries caused by drunk drivers. No business, no matter how conscientious and law-abiding, could ever survive being liable for the acts of millions of random people over whom it had no control.”
Pragmatically speaking, the Second Amendment is not viable if we can’t purchase firearms, ammunition, and related shooting gear.
The PLCAA was passed by a bipartisan majority in both chambers of Congress and signed into law by then-President George W. Bush. The impetus for the PLCAA was a flood of lawsuits that sought to hold firearms manufacturers responsible for illegal acts perpetrated with firearms.
“Lawsuits were piling up in the mid to late 1990’s and early 2000’s when over 40 big city mayors conspired through the U.S. Conference of Mayors with gun-control activist lawyers from the Brady Center and greedy trial lawyers,” the National Shooting Sports Foundation reported. “Their plan was to haul firearm manufacturers and sellers into court to make the industry pay for the subsequent criminal misuse of legal, non-defective firearms lawfully sold after a background check to law-abiding Americans exercising their Second Amendment rights.”
And these lawsuits didn’t even have to be victorious for the anti-Second Amendment groups to score wins. Simply keeping the gun makers in court, fighting to survive while the antis filed innumerable lawsuits, extensions, and appeals, cost millions of dollars and could have even bankrupted these manufacturers.
Biden and other anti-Second Amendment activists routinely claim that the PLCAA provides some extraordinary grant of immunity upon the firearms industry; actually, the law simply says that these agenda-driven lawsuits can’t be brought against a manufacturer and other companies.
Jonathan Turley, the Shapiro Professor of Public Interest Law at George Washington University addressed this in an op-ed for The Hill. He wrote, “Product liability and tort actions against manufacturers have uniformly and correctly been rejected by the courts. Guns are lawful products, and holding companies liable for later misuse of such products is absurd. You might as well sue an axe manufacturer for the Lizzy Borden murders.”
Remove the protections in place with PLCAA, and every firearm, shotshell, and cartridge maker could theoretically be sued every time a criminal uses a firearm in an illegal act. Every lawsuit would cost these manufacturers a great deal of money in legal fees.
If gun makers and dealers go bankrupt, gun-control groups can effectively end the Second Amendment without a single win in court.
I misread you post, apologies. I thought you were anti 2nd and I missed the nuance. Yes, I’ve said on these forums many times that 99.6% will bend the knee.
Ok, I got you. You are literally way beyond what I know, and have some excellent points. Just, God willing, this nightmare can be avoided in some way!
I think the whole idea of the “army of hunters” rising up to fight a tyrannical government is bunk. I also think your assessment of how things would transpire if way off base as well. Yes, many “from my cold dead hands” people will fold llike a cheap table. Enough, though, will not comply to be very problematic. It wouldn’t take a very large percentage of a populace to fight a winning defense of the Republic. I suspect that an oppressive Socialist/Globalist government will do 2 things to make that more possible. First, they’ll screw things up so bad that the soccer moms and NASCAR dads will have to deal with starving children; turning public sentiment against the government. Secondly, it will over react against non compliance and create martyrs that even the MSM besmirch or defame
COWARD— go ahead and turn your guns in. When they drain my bank accounts, I’ll have nothing left to lose, and they DO NOT want a fight with men who have nothing left to lose.
We’ll see, coward.
“I misread you post, apologies. I thought you were anti 2nd and I missed the nuance. Yes, I’ve said on these forums many times that 99.6% will bend the knee.”
Forgiven! I was killing myself trying to convince people in the power of the filibuster and that if it took RINOs to ensure that, so be it. In other words, this country will be FINISHED if we lost that capability.
The answer that I got from many long-time FReepers here, is that they simply didn’t care - if it took Democrats in power to get rid of the RINOs, that was just fine with them.
Now they get to see the results of their brilliance, as Joe Manchin is now about to trash the filibuster and with that, it’s just a matter of a few years until gun ownership becomes illegal...and the Democrats have the tools they need to make people comply, just as they do with paying taxes, and they have access to more tools, if they want to use them. No need to kick down doors...simply make it, literally, impossible for anyone to live in this country without turning in their guns.
“COWARD— go ahead and turn your guns in. When they drain my bank accounts, I’ll have nothing left to lose, and they DO NOT want a fight with men who have nothing left to lose.”
You won’t even know who or what to attack, and they won’t waste their time to give you targets. So I guess you can shoot up your nearest police station or federal building, but very few will do that, very, very, few. And then you’ll be hunted down.
So, good luck!
The senate runoff in GA was a fraud, and my friends in the Macon/WR area are convinced of same. Your belief is that the anti-RINOs refusal to vote for Perdue was the decisive factor. This contention would need more if you are to be persuasive. I do not try to persuade you FRiend don't misunderstand me, merely observe that IMHO such comments make no difference.
I wouldn't use that as an example considering the fact that its the consumers who have been targeted, isolated and now demonized and the tobacco products cost 4 times what they should be.
Be prepared to experience what the tobacco users have had to deal with these past 15 years. When your $50 box of 9mm ammunition eventually costs you $150 or more, maybe you will wake up..........
What's that ole saying, "When they came for the ......, I didn't care, I wasn't a ....."
With the proper lawyers, sure, the ammo manufacturers may survive as long as you the consumer can continue to afford their product.......
During the reign of the Kenyan, I stocked up big time especially on .22 ammo. Good to practice skills with. Also stocked up on other calibers.
Good shape here.
There will be no Civil War II. As I told him, think outside such unattainable nonsense. Think Swamp Rats.
The easy way out is to claim “lizard people rigged the election” whenever there is a loss. That’s also a coward’s way out.
The “lizard people dominion rigging” Lin Wood droppings doesn’t match with the data we have (see Trump’s overall vote share and vote totals increasing in Dominion counties in Pennsylvania).
The precinct data that we have from Georgia shows that there was a marked drop off from the general election to the tune of 250000 voters who voted GOP in November simply didn’t show up in January. There was some Democrat drop off as well, but not nearly as pronounced (particularly in North and Southeastern Georgia).
Lin Wood did what he intended to do, and morons bought the lie.
Thanks Vet, until this crap started getting real, I didn’t think about the capabilities of the feds, but wow, it’s not the 1860s anymore (when telegraph was it)! Among other things, I wonder how my Smartmeter will hold up to an OFF command*.
*and yea, I could pull it out an bypass it, but then they’ll just have me cut off at the pole (assuming they don’t take me in first for stealing power).
It doesn’t take a lot of effort for a few to cause complete chaos.
Pellets have gotten more expensive too
That’s a good idea. We practice on culling the squirrel population with our Gamo Varminter but there is no substitute for just staying stocked up. The person who always thought three 50 round boxes of .9 mm was good to go is just SOL at this point. Sad but true.
He’s mouthed off at quite a few prior servicemen here.
And you’re right. Those who told Georgians to avoid voting for the Georgia Republicans in the runoff elections are not on our side. They’re certainly striving against our Second Amendment rights. Some of them have complained against President Trump’s Supreme Court appointees (a dead giveaway). Some of them have even told us to stop voting for any Republicans.
Any judge should immediately dismiss with prejudice any lawsuit for the misuse of their product by a third party. If someone tried to sue GM for a drunk driver who killed a loved one with a car, it would be thrown out of court and the attorneys warned against filing such a frivolous case.
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