Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

To: SeekAndFind
I'm going to live a little dangerously and stick up for one aspect of this s###show. The way that Trump decided to handle declassification was totally outside of what the national security establishment was ever set up to handle. Their exceedingly broad search warrant reflects this.

If they didn't shop the warrant to a magistrate judge who should have immediately ran out of the room to find an adult, there would have been an immense problem on the hands of the DoJ to demonstrate that the warrant they were seeking wasn't ridiculously overbroad.

Does this mean they needed a warrant in the first place? If Trump was cooperating with whatever they were trying to do, absolutely not. I'd bet that important detail was hidden from the magistrate judge and not included in the affidavit as well.

Does this mean I think Trump was breaking the law with the way he declassified or stored the documents? No. The President has, for better or worse, plenary power over classified information. It could easily be described as reckless because there's no telling what sources and methods were potentially revealed from the assembled information (Executive reports rarely include detailed sources and methods, but the nature of the information in those reports could be reasonably used by adversaries to figure out how the US got the information, thereby revealing and burning millions to billions of dollars of invested spy stuff), but still, while President, it was his call to make.

I personally think the FBI was charged with conducting a "damage assessment" of the Trump Presidency on the intelligence community, and all those boxes represent the assembled evidence of that "damage" because each report could have sources and methods revealed. The DoJ decided to say "well, we're conducting a damage assessment, let's see if we can get anyone indicted along the way here."

If this were a sane and cordial government, the National Archives, the FBI, DoJ, ODNI, and Trump teams would be going over all of these documents cooperatively and ask things like "you know this report being declassified puts X, Y, and Z at risk, can we reclassify this, or reissue a tearline of the report for your records that doesn't reveal as much risk?" But the government chose a different path.

10 posted on 08/15/2022 10:50:20 PM PDT by jz638
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]


To: jz638

“The President has, for better or worse, plenary power over classified information. It could easily be described as reckless because there’s no telling what sources and methods were potentially revealed from the assembled information (Executive reports rarely include detailed sources and methods, but the nature of the information in those reports could be reasonably used by adversaries to figure out how the US got the information, thereby revealing and burning millions to billions of dollars of invested spy stuff), but still, while President, it was his call to make.”
——————
So when, exactly, did President Trump or anyone else release that information? If it isn’t released, no sources or methods could possibly have been revealed or endangered. Why do you condemn Trump for something that wasn’t done, that is only a potential problem?


11 posted on 08/15/2022 11:32:53 PM PDT by Ancesthntr (“The right to buy weapons is the right to be free.” ― A.E. Van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies ]

To: jz638

You have it ass backwards. Trump was normal. The “national security establishment” was wrong. They used classification to conceal treason, sedition and their foreign collusion to cast Trump as a Russian asset. They used classification to hide their crimes in spying ON the White House.
They refused to agree that they are under the control of the executive branch and insist that THEY set policy.

They were not doing a damage assessment. It was a coverup to grab materials that Trump may have documenting their crimes. And it was also them making moves to damage the leader of the legitimate political opposition.

It is the job of the so called national security establishment to submit to the President, not for the President to follow THEIR ways.

The sources and methods being protected were the methods of sedition and treason.

The intel community has fallen into treason and suppression of dissent.


13 posted on 08/15/2022 11:53:08 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies ]

To: jz638

Replace the name trump with obama or HRC & what do you come up with?


19 posted on 08/16/2022 1:11:22 AM PDT by thinden (buckle up.....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies ]

To: jz638

We are still waiting for the damage assessments of Clinton and Obama... while paying for the damage Carter did 40+ years ago.


21 posted on 08/16/2022 2:32:55 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies ]

To: jz638

Here’s a twist…

“Former president Trump is not without resources and recourse in all this. Though the news media does not follow it, the Trump v Clinton lawsuit trial continues, and it might not go so well for Mrs. Clinton and her friends….
It should be pretty obvious that the FBI raid on Mar-a-Lago was an attempt to seize evidence likely to be used in former President Donald Trump’s civil lawsuit in the Southern Florida Federal District Court against Hillary Clinton and associated defendants in and out of government for the defamation and racketeering operation known as RussiaGate — AND in any future criminal proceedings that might grow out of congressional investigations-to-come against officials past and present in the DOJ and FBI. The idea is to tie up all those documents in a legal dispute about declassification so they can’t be entered in any proceeding.”
More at Kunstler.com


23 posted on 08/16/2022 3:14:50 AM PDT by griswold3 (When chaos serves the State, the State will encourage chaos.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies ]

To: jz638

No it is not.

Obama took whatever documents he pleased from his time in the White House. No questions asked. Same with all of his predecessors.


29 posted on 08/16/2022 4:02:37 AM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies ]

To: jz638
The President has, for better or worse, plenary power over classified information.

That's all you needed to say. The rest is prolix.

30 posted on 08/16/2022 4:09:54 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies ]

To: jz638

What a weak, sad, and useless comment.


32 posted on 08/16/2022 4:59:56 AM PDT by wildcard_redneck (Germans are bat-crap crazy for cold showers, high energy bills, and boiled turnips.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies ]

To: jz638

What? There is no defense here, especially in light of Obama, Clinton, and Hunter Biden. There is now a fourth branch of government: the Intelligence branch. That is what you’re defending.


34 posted on 08/16/2022 5:07:01 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies ]

To: jz638
"But the government Swamp creatures chose a different path."
38 posted on 08/16/2022 5:37:48 AM PDT by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson