Posted on 01/23/2023 10:08:17 PM PST by Ozguy1945
Western societies are tearing themselves apart with enmity, injustice and conflict.
That is not what Our Lord created us to be.
We must return to the harmonious roots of our heritage.
Where people can be human.
God Bless The Freedom Where We Can Love Ourselves And Each Other
What is that Indonesian site you posted from?
“What is that Indonesian site you posted from?”
It is my blog.
Indonesia is a second home to me.
Ones who partake of it withut that qualification are likely to suffer great woes, and so will the givers of it who do not evaluate the qualifications of the partaker.
Be warned. This rite is not for the world of religionists. It is only for children of the Mighty Judge and Heavenly Father of Jesus, Lord and Savior, qualified only by confident reliance on His Shed Blood only for their redemption, purchase, and spiritual rebirth only.
1 Corinthians 11:27-30 (AV):Paedobaptism simply does not enter the picture at all. If you want them to be sick, corrupted, and worldly in ther actions, Let them think that they are made christians without a spiritual birth that results from immersion figuratively in the Water of the Word prompting total allegiance to the Jesus of the Bible and the reality of having the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, not of a false christ purported to be the same as Him.
27Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. 28But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
29For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. 30For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep(physically die).
So be it.
Religionists, beware.
“God Bless The Freedom Where We Can Love Ourselves And Each Other”
Why did the author used title case in that sentence? Looks weird.
“Paedobaptism simply does not enter the picture at all.”
Yes. How did this even become “a thing” when it isn’t a thing in the Scriptures? At the outset, was it tied to revenue generating by RC founders? A lot of the “doctrine” can be traced back to mo’ money.
Is 'taking' communion a REQUIREMENT for retaining one's salvation?
I’ve heard countless times from the pulpit the warning found in those verses.
Read through the patristic quotes here, and get back to me.
A sample:
In the Church, baptism is given for the remission of sins, and, according to the usage of the Church, baptism is given even to infants. ... The Church received from the apostles the tradition of giving baptism even to infants. -- Origen, ca AD 248
For this reason we baptize even infants, though they are not defiled by [personal] sins, so that there may be given to them holiness, righteousness, adoption, inheritance, brotherhood with Christ, and that they may be his [Christ’s] members -- Chrysostom, AD 388
The custom of Mother Church in baptizing infants is certainly not to be scorned, nor is it to be regarded in any way as superfluous, nor is it to be believed that its tradition is anything except apostolic -- Augustine, AD 408.
Not baptizing infants implicitly denies salvation by grace, because you make belonging to the household of God dependant on something you do and something of which you must be capable. That's why Calvin, who at least partly understood these matters, never rejected it.
“Read through the patristic quotes here, and get back to me.”
Irenaeus. Hippolytus. Origen. Cyprian of Carthage. Gregory of Nazianz. John Chrysostom. Augustine. Council of Carthage V. Council of Mileum II.
I put absolutely ZERO stock in what cult people spout.
There fraudulent participation is yet another brick in the tomb of Chrislam, or some similqar one world religiohn for the man of sin empowerment.
The simpleton who wrote this drek is apparently incapable of realizing that the enmity is by design. The Communion is not for a social contract it is for spiritual strengthening, something the globalist devils definitely do not want.
Catholic cow scat
Re the Remembrance Supper, this is a function that pursues the evidence of full confidence of the cabdidate in the Omnipotent Christ to Save, which cannot be undone. Participation in it is an ordinance for His local body of saints, to show His death ‘till He returns (fully alive); as is the water immersion (once), the ritual of induction into the Company of the Committed for a life of discipleship that follows the public confession of allegiance of the recruited servant to the Head Captain of the local assenbly.
Both are desired for the spiritually reborn member of The Bride, but are not required to establish or retain the gracious bestowal of ever-lasting absolute life. Philippians 1:6 “ Being confident of this very thing that He which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the Day of Jesus Christ:” (cf 2Tim. 1:12).
Both are good works, a part of the ligh burden of progressive sanctification through discipleship, and not a part of the conditions for salvation, ofwhich both the seeker and the Savior must interact in faith and faithfulness alone.
ah. Beautiful country I guess - outside Jakarta. I’ve never been there, but people talk of Bali and other places.
What *I* wonder is why so many congregations are limiting it to once per month or so. Of all the parts of a worship service, communion is specifically mentioned in the bible to perform, whereas singing and "greeting each other" and tithing (as part of the worship service) is not.
It's quite frustrating.
“how did infant baptism become a thing”?
Well, you read in the book of acts of “entire households” being baptised, not “all the adults in the household” but “ENTIRE households”
inscriptions dating back to the 2nd century which refer to young children being baptised - Corpus Inscriptionum Graecarum, 9727, 9801, 9817; E. Diehl, Inscriptiones Latinae Christianae Veteres (Berlin 1961), nos. 1523(3), 4429A.
The earliest reference to infant baptism was by Irenaeus (c. 130–202) in his work Against Heresies in AD 180 —
infants, and children, and youths, and old men. Therefore he passed through every age, becoming an infant for infants, sanctifying infants; a child for children, sanctifying those who are of that age . . . [so that] he might be the perfect teacher in all things, perfect not only in respect to the setting forth of truth, perfect also in respect to relative age” (Against Heresies 2:22:4 [A.D. 189]).
Augustine wrote of the universal custom of baptizing infants around 300 AD
While Tertullian writing c. 198–203 advises the postponement of baptism of little children and the unmarried, he mentions that it was customary to baptise infants, with sponsors speaking on their behalf.
So it is definite that infants were baptised at least from Apostolic times
In Acts 2:38, “. . . be baptized every one of you in the nome of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins . . .”
Here both the grammar and consonance with Biblical doctrine require that the Greek preposition “eis” translated as “for” must be used in the foundational sense as in Mt. 12:41, to mean “on the basis of” that when less ambiguously translated means:
“. . . be baptized every one of you (by the delegated authority of) Jesus Christ (on the basis of) sins already forgiven (through faith alone in the shed blood of Jesus, 1 Jn. 1:9) . . .”
This cannot mean that water baptism imparts salvation to an infant or to any sentient adult of any kind. Period. Done.
“Is ‘taking’ communion a REQUIREMENT for retaining one’s salvation?”
Partaking of communion, of the Eucharist, the Body of Christ is part of how God’s grace leads us to His salvation.
HOWEVER, we leave salvation up to God. He decides how to judge us all. But we should do as scripture tells us and not hope He MIGHT save us. Salvation is a cooperation. He didn’t die to just send us all to heaven. He doesn’t force us to be with Him if we don’t want to be. So we do what He has told us to do in order to be with Him in heaven. To not do what he said (or on the same token to do what He said not to do…) is a sin and can bar us from heaven. And to answer your question simply: “Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen, I say unto you: except you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you. He that eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day. For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed. He that eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood abideth in me: and I in him. As the living Father hath sent me and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, the same also shall live by me. This is the bread that came down from heaven. Not as your fathers did eat manna and are dead. He that eateth this bread shall live for ever.”
That doesn’t sound like a symbol to me. It wasn’t a symbol to the Apostles. It wasn’t a symbol even to the first Protestants. Its now a symbol to those that want it to be. And a symbol is nothing and wouldn’t be needed to be received. Nor would it be something that your soul would depend upon.
“Therefore, whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord. But let a man prove himself: and so let him eat of that bread and drink of the chalice. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily eateth and drinketh judgment to himself, not discerning the body of the Lord. Therefore are there many infirm and weak among you: and many sleep. But if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But whilst we are judged, we are chastised by the Lord, that we be not condemned with this world.
The first Christians were accused of being cannibals. Why would that be if no one thought they were eating the body and blood of Jesus?
Mayflower - you asked WHEN infant baptism started.
Campion answered that this happened in the book of Acts, so it started in Apostolic times.
In addition he gave you examples of early Christians, from the 1st centuries who wrote about infant baptism
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