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Is Donald Trump 2024 Worth The Fight?
Flopping Aces ^ | 02-14-23 | Vince

Posted on 02/16/2023 10:51:28 AM PST by Starman417

Donald Trump was a great if imperfect president.  By the third year of his presidency, the country was flourishing.  The economy was roaring, jobs were up, incomes were up, gas prices were down, and America & Americans were doing fairly well.

But then a funny thing happened on the way to the election.  The swamp struck back via Covid and the George Floyd protests.  Neither of those was of Trump’s making, but both were utilized by Democrats to steal the election. The Democrats didn’t create Covid or put Floyd in the morgue, but they used the lockdowns and the riots to sufficiently upend American life so that they could steal the election under the cover of chaos.

Those were tests and Donald Trump failed.  With Covid he allowed the country to be misled by a snake oil salesman and with the Floyd protests he didn’t send in the troops.  It’s easy to understand why he failed, however.  Anthony Fauci had been playing a role in America’s various health crises for decades and was an internationally respected doctor.  As the media was hyping the idea that the virus could wipe out mankind, Fauci was a voice of calm, reassuring the country that with distance, masks, and lockdowns we would persevere.  At the same time, when Trump raised questions about anything that diverged from the Big Pharma / media narrative or suggested we should remember the economic costs of lockdowns, he was attacked, lampooned, and vilified unmercifully.  Given the fusillade facing him, it’s not a surprise Trump couldn’t recognize the lies the American people were being served.

On the George Floyd inspired Antifa / BLM riots, Trump failed, and that’s on him, although again, one can see why he acted the way he did. Section 252 of the Insurrection Actpermits deployment (of military troops) in order to “enforce the laws” of the United States or to “suppress rebellion” whenever “unlawful obstructions, combinations, or assemblages, or rebellion” make it “impracticable” to enforce federal law in that state by the “ordinary course of judicial proceedings.””  Essentially he could have utilized the military to stop the violence that cities were unwilling or unable to stop.  Trump knew this, saying in early June 2020:  "If a city or a state refuses to take the actions that are necessary to defend the life and property of their residents then I will deploy the United States military and quickly solve the problem for them."  He was pilloried by Democrats for even bringing up the idea with Pelosi stating: "But there is no reason for the U.S. military to be called out for this."

Trump chose not to likely because he knew Democrats would brand him a tyrant or dictator if he did, despite the fact that FDR, Kennedy, LBJ & Bush 41 used troops for far smaller riots. Democrats did so regardless.

That Donald Trump failed at leading the country through those two disasters is sadly, understandable.  Given the savagery and breadth of the relentless attacks on him, it would have taken someone just short of Zeus to have succeeded. The result of that failure was the theft of the election and the end of his presidency.

Fast forward two years.  In November Trump announced he was running and he said many of the right things, starting with "In order to make America great and glorious again. I am tonight announcing my candidacy for president of the United States.”  Possibly the best line of the night was "But just as I promised in 2016, I am your voice. I am your voice. The Washington establishment wants to silence us, but we will not let them do that.

That all sounds great, but the question is:  Has Trump learned the hard lesson… that the swamp is the Terminator, it will not stop, it cannot be negotiated with, the swamp knows no parties or limits and it must be crushed, otherwise it will kill him, kill his supporters and kill the Republic of the United States?

Recent events seem to suggest that he has not.

First, he endorsed Dr. Oz over a rock solid MAGA candidate in Pennsylvania.  Oz was anything but MAGA and went on to lose to a literal brain-damaged Democrat. Trump made other MAGA endorsements, but Pennsylvania’s one of the most important swing states in the nation and he blew it.

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1 posted on 02/16/2023 10:51:28 AM PST by Starman417
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To: Starman417
Hell yes.


2 posted on 02/16/2023 10:55:19 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: Starman417

the problem with the oz fetterman reference in the article is that the suggestion is that it was about personalities. It was not.

It was about ballots. Brain dead Fetterman won because the democrats had a better balloting system—ie ballot harvesting system— than the republicans. The republicans didn’t ballot harvest at all.

That’s why Trumps announcement that he’s all in for ballot harvesting is the most significant news of the 2024 campaign so far.


3 posted on 02/16/2023 10:56:12 AM PST by ckilmer (q)
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To: Starman417

4 years of him- then 8 years of the younger Desantis- for a total of 12 years of solid conservative leadership? You betcha it’s worth it


4 posted on 02/16/2023 10:57:34 AM PST by Bob434
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To: ckilmer

[[The republicans didn’t ballot harvest at all.]]

Exactly- liberals hit up old folks homes- and ‘help’ the older folks fill out ballots- which of course will end up being for liberal candidates only most likely- there doesn’t seem to be any accountability- so who knows how many older folk’s votes got changed because they were ‘helped’ by the harvesters?


5 posted on 02/16/2023 11:00:13 AM PST by Bob434
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To: ckilmer
That’s why Trumps announcement that he’s all in for ballot harvesting is the most significant news of the 2024 campaign so far.

That is correct so long as we follow through and actually ballot harvest.

That's one way to end ballot harvesting once and for all. If the Republicans can figure a way to do it better, the Democrats will be hollering to put a stop to it.

6 posted on 02/16/2023 11:01:15 AM PST by SamAdams76 (4,895,899 Truth | 87,656,930 Twitter)
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To: Starman417

I worked on the 2016 & 2020 Campaigns - President Trump has zero chance of winning in 2024. It is time to move on.


7 posted on 02/16/2023 11:04:27 AM PST by EC Washington
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To: Starman417

fake news with an agenda.......................


8 posted on 02/16/2023 11:05:44 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: Starman417

The answer to the headline question is yes, if it’s Trump 2.0 in 2024. And by that I mean a Trump who has learned from his mistakes.

This is not an attack on Trump. It is instead a wish. Trump did not spend decades in the DC swamp. So it’s to be expected that he would sometimes zig when he should have zagged.

The question is, did he learn from those mistakes? We shall see.


9 posted on 02/16/2023 11:05:45 AM PST by Leaning Right (The steal is real.)
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To: ckilmer
It was about ballots. Brain dead Fetterman won because the democrats had a better balloting system—ie ballot harvesting system— than the republicans. The republicans didn’t ballot harvest at all.

This ballot harvesting/cheating has going on for years, in fact, almost a decade. When do you suppose Ronna McDaniels and the rest of the Republicans will wake up and get a clue? To his shame, even Trump proved woefully unprepared for the 2020 post-election slugfest that everyone, and I mean everyone, knew was coming.

It was farcically tragic that no Republican seemed prepared for ballot harvesting and the Zuckerbucks shenanigans that were happening as a slow-motion trainwreck in 2020. And again, asleep and snookered in the 2022 midterms. I wholly doubt anything at all will change for 2024. There will be a lot of post-election ranting, but as usual, it will all be Republican's fault for not make the determination to not wise up.

10 posted on 02/16/2023 11:10:31 AM PST by Obadiah
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To: EC Washington
I worked on the 2016 & 2020 Campaigns - President Trump has zero chance of winning in 2024. It is time to move on.

It's naive to think that they won't steal the election from your candidate like they stole the election from Trump.

11 posted on 02/16/2023 11:11:44 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: Starman417

If they can stop trump they will come after everyone else just as hard. Trump is the only thing between the massive media smear with FBI raids and all the other republican candidates. If he falls the rest will fall.


12 posted on 02/16/2023 11:19:52 AM PST by poinq
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To: Starman417

What is the next tough fight we would would back away from? As long as the ‘Rat party has Joe’s “greatest voter fraud organization in history,” Republicans lose, anyway. They were able to build that fraud machine because Republicans historically always backed away from a tough fight. We need to stop doing that.


13 posted on 02/16/2023 11:20:01 AM PST by Cincinnatus.45-70 (What do DemocRats enjoy more than a truckload of dead babies? Unloading them with a pitchfork!)
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To: ckilmer

Yes, ballot harvesting is a problem. But the Oz/Fetterman race really was about personalities to a large extent. Oz was a terrible candidate, a Hollywood carpetbagger who looked silly and awkward in his TV ads.

On the other hand, Fetterman’s ads were quite good. He came across as your average Joe Sixpack, the kind of guy you work with down at the mill. That’s not true, of course. But lots of people bought it.


14 posted on 02/16/2023 11:20:54 AM PST by Leaning Right (The steal is real.)
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To: Starman417

Trump will win the nomination. I don’t see how he will not. He has the biggest base of any Republican since Reagan (even bigger than Ronaldus Magnus). You can’t buy that and he would do well to focus on the general and stay out of the weeds, but he won’t.

However, there are some points in this article that I believe Trump needs to address and he has not.

I am a “safe vote” but too many people are ignoring the elephant in the room. As bad as the “Summer of Love” was (and it hurt him) it pales in comparison to what happened after he turned over his Presidency to Fauci and by doing so we all lost in 2020. It has legitimately costs me several thousand dollars per month with this administration.

He is still proud of Warp Speed. Damn the torpedoes and move the bureaucracy to get the shots but too many forget that the same big pharma companies he moved heaven and earth for paid him back by holding the release until AFTER the election (it had an impact).

Furthermore, for a guy who bragged about saving taxpayers a few hundred million with the Jerusalem embassy or the new Air Force 1 can anyone explain to me what kind of deal it is where Pfizer and Moderna arrange for the taxpayers to purchase their product and they make tens of billions in profit. It happened because of Trump and “we” even owned part of the technology? Not exactly a good deal for the taxpayers was it?

We even did their advertising for them and in some cases mandated the use of the product (military for example) so that increased their profit margin that much more!

I would respect him more if he just admitted that he got played, we got played, and he promised to make real changes to prevent this from ever happening again. That is a message I could support, but even if I am a “safe vote” his inability to address this irks me and I fully expect that the left will blame him for the vaccine problems. I know others disagree, but look what they did to kick him out of office? They eat their own when its politically expedient (ask Andrew Cuomo).

It cost him his reelection and it may well cost him again because SOMEBODY is going to be blamed for the failed shot and we are talking about a guy who just got blamed for a train derailment two years after he left office.

Fauci will blame Trump. Birx will blame Trump. A few of the backstabbers in his own WH will blame Trump. I would even bet the big pharma executives will blame Trump. We already know the media will blame him.

This is going to be the #1 issue going into 2024. The “economy” situation benefits Trump, but the media won’t really cover it. They will cover the failed vaccine.

He needs to address it honestly because there will be a narrative and if he continues to ignore it you can bet it won’t be a good narrative for him. There are over a dozen high level studies underway now in 1st world countries that will not only show that the shots failed, but they will show that the shots made it worse and even caused death.

Our media won’t be able to ignore the elephant in the room so they will shift like always to use it against Trump. The bureaucracy and corporate America will fall in line as always. Trump has no margin for error and the sooner he tackles this the better because they are writing the script as we speak. Bet on it.

The longer he is silent the more they will blame him. Better to make your enemies react to you and defend the current narrative than to remain silent and write a new narrative. That is what Sun Tzu would do Mr. President.


15 posted on 02/16/2023 11:21:03 AM PST by volunbeer (We are living 2nd Thessalonians)
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To: EC Washington

I am voting for Trump even if its a write in. If he loses, I stop voting. I don’t vote for republicans anymore. I vote for good republicans. Or I don’t vote. I will no longer support swamp creatures just because they are republican swamp creatures.


16 posted on 02/16/2023 11:23:29 AM PST by poinq
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To: ckilmer

I sometimes wonder if he said he’s for ballot harvesting to get Democrats to say they are against it. 🙂


17 posted on 02/16/2023 11:24:00 AM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: Bob434

“...then 8 years of the younger Desantiss...”

You made a mistake in logic when you said, “the younger DeSantis” because you don’t think that DeSantis can’t stand on his own unless coupled with the enhancer “younger.”

Adam Schiff is also younger, but does that make him a stellar candidate.

Maybe if DeSantis gets, in he can resurrect TPP, an Asian trade organization that does away with American sovereignty. He voted for the bill before.


18 posted on 02/16/2023 11:24:28 AM PST by odawg
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To: FreeReign

It’s naive to think that they won’t steal the election from your candidate like they stole the election from Trump.


This x 1000

Warts and all, Trump is the best chance we have because he can at least point to a happier time prior to Fauci.

He will be the nominee. His base is HUGE and GOP voters don’t usually vote heavily in the primaries. Those who are announcing are jockeying for cabinet positions and the VP slot - just watch. A few will run to criticize Trump but they won’t go anywhere other than on CNN or MSNBC after they drop out.

In fact, Trump is probably the only one with a base that can ballot harvest. Do you see tens of thousands of “volunteers” spending their weekend knocking on doors for anyone else? Me either.


19 posted on 02/16/2023 11:25:06 AM PST by volunbeer (We are living 2nd Thessalonians)
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To: SamAdams76

The Republicans were in on the ballot harvesting and fraud, for the benefit of the left. Why would they suddenly switch sides? Never mind how fraud deniers on here are just fine with the subversion of the electoral system.


20 posted on 02/16/2023 11:28:34 AM PST by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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