The colourful Twitter history of Palestine (Stealing Jewish-Palestine history 1920s-1930s as if it was "arab")

David Collier ^ | Aug 1, 2023

[Petrosius]

Are you denying Jewish history in Israel before Arabs’ invasion?

Not at all. Nor am I denying the right of the Jewish population to remain and leave in peace. But history did not stop prior to the destruction of the Temple. Arabs, whether we like it or not, have been the majority for 900 years and are currently half the population in the territory controlled by Israel. This, too, cannot be denied. We cannot reset the clock to some golden age in the past.

[Conservat1]

Nor did he say why there is a need for a 23rd Arab state.

This whole idea of separate state vs the Southern Syria is only a few decades old, not “900” years of coming and going Arabs who are not connected to today’s group so called “Palestinians”

[Petrosius]

Nor did he say why there is a need for a 23rd Arab state.

Because half the population there is Arab. But you will notice that I did not give a preference for the 2-state solution. Israel could also annex the whole area and give full citizenship to the Arabs, set up a confederation a la Swiss with the Arabs, or cede the Arab areas to Jordan. They could also be other solutions that I have not thought of, but they must start with the premise that both the Jewish and Arab populations have an equal right to be there.

[Conservat1]

What “right” - and how are the previous Arab immigrants and the recent ECONOMIC ones [1914-1948] have to do with each other?

Unlike never stopped Jewish immigration as a cohesive group yearn to its historic place?

[Conservat1]

PS

I never advocate⁩ for Arabs to leave, etc.

[Petrosius]

What “right” - and how are the previous Arab immigrants and the recent ECONOMIC ones [1914-1948] have to do with each other?

Their descendants are current residents. And since Arab immigration halted in Israel proper in 1948 and in the territories in 1967, unlike Jewish immigration which continues to this day, its population has actually been there longer than the Jewish immigrant population.

Unlike never stopped Jewish immigration as a cohesive group yearn to its historic place?

Unfortunately for the Jews, they were immigrating into a land with a majority Arab population. Their yearning for the restoration of their historical homeland that they lost 2000 years ago does not negate the rights of those who were already there.

[Petrosius]

I never advocate⁩ for Arabs to leave, etc.

Then what is your solution for the rights of the Arab population?

[Conservat1]

“Their descendants are current residents”

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That is where you’re wrong. They are not. Mostly.

[Petrosius]

That is where you’re wrong. They are not. Mostly.

Are you saying the the current Arab residents are not descendants of previous Arab immigration?

[Conservat1]

Had it been just that, it would probably be giving them full citizenship like Israeli Arabs with their affirmative action (though often Jews are discriminated against, in favor of Arabs, an example, Honenu not to mention regarding land, which is why Regavim was established). But the problem is: hate incitement: in mosques which are controlled by the official PA. See PalWatch and hate textbooks inckuding under UNRWA: UNwatch.org/ Wake up Hitler, there are still people to burn,' in Palestinian textbooks (July 16, 2023).

[Conservat1]

“Are you saying the the current Arab residents are not descendants of previous Arab immigration”

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Exactly, most are grandchildren from recent Arab immigration.

[Conservat1]

Hamas: Half of the Palestinians Are Egyptians and the Other Half Are Saudis - MEMRI
23 mar 2012 — Hamas Minister of the Interior and of National Security Fathi Hammad Slams Egypt over Fuel Shortage in Gaza Strip, and Says: "Half of the Palestinians Are Egyptians and the Other Half Are Saudis"

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Another large set of Palestinians who proudly trace their ancestry from elsewhere

This video segment from VOA News describes how many Gazans trace their roots to Kurdistan.

Of course, we knew this. There are plenty of Palestinians with the last name "el-Kurd" or "el-Kurdi," and many prominent Palestinian families proudly trace their roots to Arabia or Syria or Morocco or Turkey and everywhere else.

Here is my latest list of Palestinian surnames and where they appear to have originated:

Abbas	Iraq
Abdil-Masih  (Beit Sahour)	Turkey
Abid	Sudan
Abu Aita (Beit Sahour)	Turkey
Abu Ghosh	Europe/11th century
Abu Sitta	Egypt
Abu-Kishk	Egypt
Adwan	Arabia
Afghani	Afghanistan
Ajami	Iran
Al Hafi	Iraq
Alami	Morocco
Alami	Morocco
Alawi	Syria
Al-Hayik (Beit Sahour)	Turkey
Arafat	Syria
Araj	Morocco
Aramsha	Egypt
Arashi	Egypt
Ashrawi	Yemen
Awwad	Egypt
Azd, Azad	Yemen
Badra	Egypt
Baghdadi	Iraq
Banna	Egypt
Bannoura	Egypt
Bardawil	Egypt
Barghouti	Yemen (may be Jewish)
Bushnak	Bosnia
Chehayber	Turkey
Dajani	Arabia via Spain
Darjani	Arabia
Djazair	Algeria
Doghmush	Turkey
Erekat	Jordan
Fakiki	Morocco
Faranji	France
Faruqi	Iraq
Fayumi	Egypt
Filali	Morocco
Gharub	Egypt
Ghassan	Lebanon
Haddadin	Yemen
Halabi	Syria
Hamis	Bahrain
Hammouda	Transjordan
Hannouneh (Beit Sahour)	Turkey
Hashlamun	Kurdistan
Hijazi	Arabia
Hindi	India
Hourani	Syria
Husseini	Arabia
Ibrahim (Beit Sahour)	Turkey
Iraki	Iraq
Issa	Arrived in 1820s to Haifa, not sure from where
Jabari	Iraq
Jazir	Algiers
Kafisha	Kurdistan
Kanaan	Syria
Khair	Egypt
Khairi	Morocco
Khalil	Arabia
Khamadan	Yemen
Khamati	Syria
Khamis	Bahrain
Khazen	Lebanon
Khoury (Beit Sahour)	Turkey
Kukali	Syria
Kurdi	Kurdistan
Lubnani	Lebanon
Mahdi	Morocco
Makhamra	Jewish
Marashda	Egypt
Masa'ad	Egypt
Masarwa	Egypt
Maslouhi	Morocco
Masri	Egypt
Matar	Kuwait
Mattar	Yemen
Metzarwah	Egypt
Mughrabi, Moghrabi	Morocco
Murad	Albania/Yemen
Muwaqat	Morocco
Muzaffar	Morocco
Nablusi	Named after Nablus - but that was named in the 7th century
Nammari	Spain
Nashashibi	Kurdish/Turkoman/Syria
Nusseibeh	Arrived 7th Century
Omaya	Arabia
Othman	Turkey
Qudwa	Syria
Qurashi	Arabia
Qutob	Morocco
Ridwan	Ottoman
Rishmawi (Beit Sahour)	Turkey
Sa'ad	Egypt
Salibas	Greece
Samahadna	Sudan (maybe)
Saud / Saudi	Arabia
Shaalan	Egypt
Shakirat	Egypt
Shami	Syria
Shamis	Syria
Shashani	Chechnya
Shawish	Arabia
Sidawi	Lebanon
Sous (Beit Sahour)	Turkey
Sultan	Turkey
Surani	Lebanon
Taamari	Arabia
Tachriti	Iraq
Tamimi	Yemen/Egypt/Arabia
Tarabin	Mecca oe Egypt
Tarabulsi	Lebanon
Tartir	Egypt
Tawil	Egypt
Tayib	Morocco
Tijani	Morocco
Tikriti	Iraq
Touqan	Northern Arabia or Syria
Turki	Turkey
Ubayyidi	Sudan
Uthman	Turkey
Yacoub (Beit Sahour)	Turkey
Yamani	Yemen
Zabidat	Egypt
Zaghab	Morocco
Zarqawi	Jordan
Zeitawi	Morocco
Zoabi	Iraq
Zubeidi	Iraq

[Conservat1]

Prominent family, Abu Sarari in Jaffa, the head said, in his bio (published in 2000, p. 10), his grandfather’s father came from Saudi Arabia
https://books.google.com/books?id=qtAvAQAAIAAJ&q=%D7%90%D7%91%D7%95%20%D7%A1%D7%A8%D7%A8%D7%99

He also said that most Arabs in Israel (then Palestine) were for Hitler. As he remembers from his childhood.

[Petrosius]

Exactly, most are grandchildren from recent Arab immigration.

I was imprecise in my question. I had meant "previous" to mean all Arab immigration previous to the present day, not to distinguish more ancient immigration from more modern. It is irrelevant from which wave of immigration the present Arab population is descended, as if we could even distinguish such in what must be a highly mixed population. The point that I had wanted to make, in answering the question what these two groups have to do with each other, is that the descendants of both groups are now residences in the territory controlled by Israel.

The fact that some Arabs are descendants of a more recent immigration does not delegitimize their presence any more than the fact the the Jewish population is made up of descendant and actual members of a much more recent Jewish immigration. If you are going to discount the modern Arab immigration then you must do the same with the modern Jewish immigration. If anything, the Arab population pre-dates the bulk of the Jewish population.

It is useless for either side to seek to delegitimize the population of the other because of when they arrived. The land has a mixed Jewish and Arab population and neither is going anywhere. Both sides need to accept the population that is present on the ground today.

[Conservat1]

The recent Arab immigration (late 1800-1945) are not connected to the “900” years you kept mentioning.

[Petrosius]

So what? They were present before the establishment of the State of Israel. Additionally, the bulk of Israeli Jews are descendant from those who came from Europe and the Americas.

[Petrosius]

The recent Arab immigration (late 1800-1945) are not connected to the “900” years you kept mentioning.

I never said they were. What I have pointed out that there has been an Arab/Muslim majority for all that time. They had a tenure on the land that cannot be ignored because a Jewish population that has not been in the land for 2000 years wants to return. Palestine was not a land without a people for a people without a land. There were, and are, Arabs living there.

[Conservat1]

Part 2 of: Not "some," but most. Author

In Short, from about 250,000 around the end of the 19th century, many of them bedouins, the Arabic population grew to about 1,250,000 in 1948. The Palestinian claim that they are the ancient population of the so called Palestine has no ground.

Winston Churchil, said in May 22, 1939 that the Arab immigration to Palestine during the British Mandate was so large that their numbers grew in such proportion that even if all Jews immigrated to Palestine they could not reach that number.

Franklin D.Roosevelt, said in May 17, 1939 that the Arab immigration to Palestine since 1921 was much greater that Jewish immigration.

A significant part of the 1948 Palestinian refugees were first or second generation illegal immigrant workers.

Arab Immigration into the Coastal Plains of Israel (the Sharon) During the British Mandate.

[Petrosius]

Not "some," but most.

That conclusion is disputed but I will cede the point. It still makes no difference. The vast bulk of the Jewish population is also from recent immigration.

[Conservat1]

Why did you mention this: “Palestine was not a land without a people for a people without a land. There were...”

I never said that. But it’s true that years prior to Zionists coming late 1800s it was mostly vacant. But not 100% vacant.