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Does Trump's Shutdown Decision Disqualify a Future Presidency?
Red State ^ | 08/05/2023 | Manic Contrarian

Posted on 08/05/2023 6:12:56 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

So, I’m having a friendly debate with somebody about this “IF YOU GO AFTER ME, I’M COMING AFTER YOU!” post by Mr. Trump…

My friend, a retired police officer, is a great guy, salt of the earth, etc. He thinks it’s an understandable representation of Trump’s frustration. And maybe it is. But the question remains, did Trump’s attorneys have the chance to see that post before he pushed “send”? Did anybody above the age of 14? Does anybody honestly think had his attorneys seen it, they’d have said, “Yes, Mr. President, we think that’s a really swell post; put that jazz up ASAP”? Does Donald Trump have a moral obligation to listen to his attorneys if they didn’t? Well, when you consider that his working-class supporters, through their small-dollar donations, are picking up his attorneys’ bills, I’d say he has some sense of obligation to try to help them win their case. I mean, good God, people.

What are we doing? The man isn’t somebody you would hire to do a really big and important job like running the largest hotel conglomerate in the world, based on his Truth Social posts alone. Well, we’re also not supposed to re-hire him to run the largest corporation in the history of the world, either. Not at this point. Not after what happened the last time.

I can anticipate the Trump swarm coming down on that statement and asking, what about what happened last time? He had the greatest economy in history, the cheapest gas ever, no world wars, et cetera, et cetera. Fine, but he also shut down the economy and took the repeated advice of two of the most destructive public health bureaucrats in the country, if not the world. Their advice led to some of the most profoundly destructive economic and social impacts the world has seen in decades, if not in a century.

I truly think we need to go back to Herbert Hoover signing the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act in 1930, which caused the Great Depression, to find an equivalent level of presidential mistake.

President Trump agreed to shut down the U.S. economy because of a healthcare panic; the most important, dynamic, complex, and successful market economy on the planet, due to a bad virus, was Hooverian in its depths of disastrousness. And this, of course, also resulted in other developed economies following suit, some even more violent economically and socially than we did. I don’t think that is a hyperbolic statement. I think it is a fair and accurate statement.

Let’s be brutally clear. Hoover’s well-intended but wrongheaded policy caused the Great Depression, and we know how that all went. Equally true, Trump’s well-intended but wrongheaded policy caused untold pain, suffering, and misery, not to mention bankruptcies, foreclosures, suicides, and premature deaths. It also wiped out a crucial block of irreplaceable time for in-person instruction for tens of millions of American kids, the full ramifications of which we’ll not sustain for about a decade.

Trump has disqualified himself from ever being elected president again simply by virtue of that single, solitary decision while in office. And this I believe in the marrow of my bones.



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To: SeekAndFind

DeSantis opened the State of Florida up.

Trump made no attempt to stop him as I recollect.

Prolonged shutdowns were a Donkey Party staple.


41 posted on 08/05/2023 10:06:02 PM PDT by Brian Griffin (“Miserably inadequate” people generally vote Democratic.)
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To: SeekAndFind

We weren’t as justifiably cynical pre-COVID as after.
COVID changed everything; it was a great lesson to the naive which Trump amplified rather than inhibited. It was a calculated approach. The overall stakes are larger than any pandemic. Trump is playing above the heads of the media and his enemies.

Trump’s loud and bold promise to go after his enemies is a calculated provocation.

It’s time for this civil war to go hot and Trump wants his enemies to unambiguously start it by overreaching in their panic to stop him. Which panic he intends to stoke to white hot. He’ll keep ramping up the provocations until they make a fatal mistake. Shouldn’t be very long now.


42 posted on 08/05/2023 10:54:57 PM PDT by JustaTech (My mind is the weapon. Everything else is tools.)
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To: SeekAndFind

This is obviously a Rhonda Santis shill pretending not to be one.

We see through the BS easily though. No one wants to hear about COVID anymore. Fauci was forced out, the mandates are over, it’s water under the bridge. Everyone made mistakes, including Rhonda who shut down Florida while only Kristi Noem kept her state open.


43 posted on 08/05/2023 11:06:05 PM PDT by GulliverSwift
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To: SeekAndFind

Can the author name a Republican who would have acted differently in Trump’s place? The vast scope of the COVID conspiracy is still mind-boggling. Maybe next time Schwab and Soros pull this stunt they will be greeted with the appropriate level of scornful skepticism, but in 2020 they knew exactly how to use the appeal to trusted authority to their advantage.


44 posted on 08/05/2023 11:55:11 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL]-[GALT]-[DELETE])
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To: old curmudgeon

I like gas better at 95 cents in the 90’s. Why not go back to that? We have to settle on excitement over 2 dollars a gallon?


45 posted on 08/06/2023 2:32:57 AM PDT by napscoordinator (DeSantis is a beast! Florida is the freest state in the country! )
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To: eeriegeno

He should take a page out of the Clinton playbook. It depends on what the definition of is, is.


46 posted on 08/06/2023 2:35:01 AM PDT by napscoordinator (DeSantis is a beast! Florida is the freest state in the country! )
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To: SeekAndFind

The writer is pure idiot and his friend is normal


47 posted on 08/06/2023 4:27:07 AM PDT by spacejunkie2001
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To: e_castillo

Many freepers excoriated the posters here who didn’t fall for the hype back in 2020. I expected better of them.


48 posted on 08/06/2023 4:36:32 AM PDT by Prince of Space (Trump 2024!)
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To: Herodes

Deep State.

The letter after the name means jack anymore.


49 posted on 08/06/2023 4:42:21 AM PDT by mewzilla (We will never restore the republic if we don't first secure the ballot box.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Does Trump’s Shutdown Decision Disqualify a Future Presidency?”

The question REALLY is... Does Trump’s Shutdown Decision Disqualify a Future Republican Presidency?


50 posted on 08/06/2023 5:09:01 AM PDT by SMARTY (“Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face.” Thomas Sowell)
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To: napscoordinator

I thought this was a discussion bout current politics.
But you do make a good point, which is that if it were not for the aptly named dims, gas would not even cost 95 cents.

And a pickup truck would not cost $90,000


51 posted on 08/06/2023 5:22:26 AM PDT by old curmudgeon (There is no situation so bad that the government can not make worse.)
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To: old curmudgeon

Read paragraph 4.


52 posted on 08/06/2023 5:41:15 AM PDT by elenvee ("...against all enemies, foreign and domestic..")
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To: elenvee

With very few exceptions, every world leader did the same.

And the idiots who wore masks, including your “friendly” doctor who had more reason to see the truth than Trump.

By the way, have you fired your doctor and picketed your local hospital? They are the real scoundrels in the wu-flu scam. They are your local Hunter Biden who allowed their personal greed to kill their patriotism....and a few million people.

So with the entire world in a panic you need to imagine yourself in his shoes, damned if you do and damned if you don’t.

I doubt that you understand that kind of pressure.

In short, the decision I made was easy for me. No one gives a damn what I do so very little pressure. Trump had more than half of the country hysterically screaming “Do something”.


53 posted on 08/06/2023 7:17:29 AM PDT by old curmudgeon (There is no situation so bad that the government can not make worse.)
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To: SeekAndFind

If the democrats get away this sham

Future Presidency = Tsars


54 posted on 08/06/2023 7:54:14 AM PDT by Vaduz (....)
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To: SeekAndFind

Typical never Trump Red state junk talk. 🙄


55 posted on 08/06/2023 8:01:16 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: SeekAndFind

Not buying it, Manic.


56 posted on 08/06/2023 8:05:42 AM PDT by sauropod (I will stand for truth even if I stand alone.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Utter nonsense, Manic.


57 posted on 08/06/2023 8:09:00 AM PDT by Gaffer ( )
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To: devere

Trump’s ‘mistake’ was finding himself against a vast array of embedded deep state bureaucrats and appointees-gone-career track and not having a worthy fighting team (his appointees and hires) to fight back.

If anything, he chose his nominations and appointments badly. He believed the lies they told him (Pence is the prima facia example), IMO.

I think he knows this now and I dearly want to see him do it over by winning 2024.


58 posted on 08/06/2023 8:14:36 AM PDT by Gaffer ( )
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To: SeekAndFind

Of course all we can listen to is crooked Jack Smith,Trump has every right to defend himself


59 posted on 08/07/2023 4:46:28 AM PDT by ballplayer
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