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In Brief: Gun Laws Don’t Matter, Race Does
patriot.us ^ | August 15, 2023 | POLITICAL EDITORS

Posted on 08/15/2023 10:44:06 AM PDT by PROCON

Gun control and blaming racism are no substitute for personal responsibility.

“Structural racism” is to blame for mass shootings, CNN announced last month. The impetus was a study by the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), but CNN might have buried the lead: “There was no discernible association noted in this study between gun laws and MSEs [mass shootings] with other studies showing similar findings.”

Journalist Daniel Greenfield picked that up and explained why JAMA and CNN still concluded it’s all about race:

The issue wasn’t gun laws, it was race. “The study found that in areas with higher black populations, mass shootings are likelier to occur compared to communities with higher white populations,” CNN reported. “The findings disrupt the nation’s image of mass shootings, which has been shaped by tragedies like the Las Vegas festival shooting and Sandy Hook in which most of the victims were not black,” Bloomberg added.

Faced with an immovable statistical object and the unstoppable force of equity, the JAMA paper blames the whole thing on structural racism. The study correlates urban areas and neighborhoods with high concentrations of single-parent households" to mass shootings. It then demonstrates that “structural racism” must be at fault because of “the percentage of the population that is black.” Black people in the study are interchangeable with racism.

Such is the state of woke medical science which tries to fix racism with more racism. The study never comes up with any plausible explanation of how structural racism causes people to shoot each other. At one point it claims that “racial residential segregation practices are predictive of various types of shootings” in a country where segregation had been abolished since 1964.

The study’s definition of segregation is so senseless that it lists majority black cities like Detroit,


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FReepers have been talking about the obvious problem for years here.

Black on black crime has always been the problem in large blue cities, but the media refuses to believe it or to report it because that would be RACIST!

Can it be fixed?


1 posted on 08/15/2023 10:44:06 AM PDT by PROCON
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2 posted on 08/15/2023 10:44:40 AM PDT by PROCON (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: PROCON

The educated white left doesn’t care if “those N-words wipe each other out” as long as white-left race-baiters can maintain their tactical alliance with Race Hustling Poverty Pimps.


3 posted on 08/15/2023 10:48:12 AM PDT by CharlesOConnell (CharlesOConne)
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To: PROCON

level of gun crimes is pretty in sync with levels of crime generally

any community with a higher level of crime within it is likely to have a higher level of shooting victims as well

that is not “race” as even where the crime level is higher in a community it is a minority within the community that is responsible for the crime, the majority knows it because they are most of the victims of the crimes


4 posted on 08/15/2023 10:49:06 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: PROCON

I think I need to see “structural racism” defined.

It seems to operate like the phrase “and then a miracle happened” which explains everything without explaining anything.


5 posted on 08/15/2023 10:51:06 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (They say "Our Democracy" but they mean Cosa Nostra.)
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To: Wuli

Maybe they need to pull the “Brown Skinned White Supremacists” angle?


6 posted on 08/15/2023 10:52:34 AM PDT by uranium penguin
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To: PROCON
They can't be fixed.

No, they can't. They might be able to fix themselves if we stop giving them incentives to be broken. The "great society" welfare state is destructive to all Americans generally, but has proven to be exceptionally destructive to urban blacks.

7 posted on 08/15/2023 10:52:52 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: PROCON
The short answer is no, it can't. Statistical analysis becomes particularly difficult when the terms are constantly changed for political expediency: "mass shooting", for example, has been opened up to near meaninglessness in pursuit of increasing gun control, but in the process highlights precisely where the "gun violence" (another ridiculously twisted term) occurs and who is doing it. This is why political discourse on the matter has devolved into a shrieking contest. That the media can handle; it doesn't have to make sense.

So will the chaos spill out to rural areas from its incubator in the cities? It has in South Africa - despite there being very little to steal, the violence for its own sake keeps that issue on a low boil. Will it spill out to the suburbs? Highly likely. Will it spill out to the gated enclaves with private security, where the ruling class hides from the consequences of its own failed ideology? Last of all, perhaps, after its occupants run out of things to bribe their way to safety. Could be a bumpy ride ahead, could be it's already here.

8 posted on 08/15/2023 10:56:50 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill

It’s all working just like they want it to. Keep the little people fighting each other while they take over the big picture.


9 posted on 08/15/2023 11:00:46 AM PDT by oldasrocks (uit )
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To: CharlesOConnell

I remember back in 1968 with the murder of Bobby Kennedy by a Palestinian immigrant. The news media and democrats were screaming for Gun Control!
George Wallace, when asked about why his state had the highest gun murder rate said it was due to all those Darkies buying cheap .22s and shooting each other.

Needless to say, the press went ballistic!
Wonder what the Press would say today. They would bury the story or simply not report on it.


10 posted on 08/15/2023 11:46:17 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (“No man’s life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session.”)
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To: PROCON

I identify as a Grizzly Bar...


11 posted on 08/15/2023 11:58:11 AM PDT by Big Red Badger (The Truman Show)
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To: Wuli

“any community with a higher level of crime within it is likely to have a higher level of shooting victims as well”

Uh huh.

Answer honestly though... which neighborhood would you choose to walk through at 4AM, if you had to pick one: a black “community with a higher level of crime”, or a white “community with a higher level of crime”?


12 posted on 08/15/2023 12:02:24 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: PROCON

Bttt.

5.56mm


13 posted on 08/15/2023 12:15:27 PM PDT by M Kehoe (Quid Pro Joe and the Ho have got to go)
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To: PROCON
Study Shows Gun Laws Don’t Matter, Race Does-Gun control and blaming racism are no substitute for personal responsibility.

07/28/2023 8:03:05 AM PDT · by SJackson · 20 replies
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https://www.frontpagemag.com/study-shows-gun-laws-dont-matter-race-does/

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4171134/posts



14 posted on 08/15/2023 12:45:52 PM PDT by Paal Gulli
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To: PROCON

This has been the central driver of gun control policies that the RKBA movement has been unable to overcome for decades.

The Democrat party and the RINO gun-grabbers have managed to turn what should be a massive problem for them (over the top urban crime) into a positive campaign platform that wins the suburban female vote. I hasn’t been for lack of trying, but the stranglehold that the legacy media have held on the public conversation has effectively prevented a rational discussion, going back at least to the 1968 GCA.

Is this a crack in the dam?


15 posted on 08/15/2023 12:50:12 PM PDT by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
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To: Billthedrill
So will the chaos spill out to rural areas from its incubator in the cities? ...

Yes.

Will it spill out to the suburbs?

Already happening. Some 2-6 man raiding parties have been active the Denver area with burglaries, armed robberies at gunpoint, and a recent carjacking. Yes, it is blacks from the central city who steal a car and go plundering. They hit the suburban communities such as Broomfield, Westminster, or even Longmont.

The police believe up to 20 people are involved from different groups. The public affairs official who had to announce that could not have been very happy. So far, no arrests.

Will it spill out to the gated enclaves with private security, where the ruling class hides from the consequences of its own failed ideology?

That is coming soon. I am sure we will see the invaders killed promptly when it does. That still won't help the rest of us very much.

But there are lots more "gun control" laws and regulations coming down the pike. The politicians do not want ordinary people to be able to resist the predators.

16 posted on 08/15/2023 12:57:52 PM PDT by flamberge (Everybody is going to hate it when we all play by the same "rules".)
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To: PROCON

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Handcoppied, from signed RJB Reader’s Digest

In Massachusetts, convicted killers roamed the streets on weekend passes. Then a crusading newspaper and outraged citizens took action

Getting Away With Murder, by Robert James Bidinotto, July 1988 reprint from Readers.

On the night of October 26, 1974, Joey Fournier, age 17, was working alone at a Marston Street Mobil service station in Lawrence, Mass, Three men drove up and entered the gas station demanding money. Joey gave them $276.37 and pleaded for his life.

Minutes later, Micheal Bryon, one of Joey’s friends, stopped by. The office floor was covered with blood. Horrified, Micheal found Joey’s body stuffed in a trash barrel, his feet jammed up near his chin. He had been stabbed 19 times.

Three men-Alvin Wideman, Roosevelt Picket, and Willam R. Horton, Jr. (my enfaces WILLIE HORTON)-were soon apprehended. All confessed to the robbery, but not to Joey’s murder. Prosecutors were convinced, that the actual killer was Horton. He had previously served three years in South Carolina for assault with intent to murder.

In May 1975, the trio was convicted of robbery and first-degree murder. In many states, they could forfeit their lives. But a few weeks earlier, Gov, Micheal Dukakis had vetoed a death penalty bill.

Still, a first-degree murder conviction was supposed to mean a mandatory sentence of life in prison, with no possibility of parole. The Fournier family, devastated by their loss, took comfort in the prosecutor’s assurance that Joey’s killers would never again walk the streets.

Under a little-known state law, however, such first-degree killers were eligible for unguarded, 48-hour furloughs from prison, On June 6, 1986 William Horton was released from the Northeast Correctional Center in Concord. He never came back.

About 7:30 P.M. on April 3, 1987, Clifford Barnes, 28, heard footsteps in his house in Oxon Hill, Md. He called out thinking Angela Miller, his fiancee, had returned home early from a wedding party. Instead, a man suddenly loomed before him, pointing a gun. It was William Horton.

For the next seven hours, a laughing Horton punched, pistol-whipped, and kicked him. Horton also cut him 22 times across his midsection.

Later that night, Angela returned. Bound and gagged, Cliff listened in helpless horror to Angi’s screams as Horton savagely attacked her. For four hours, she was assaulted, tied up, and twice raped.

Finally, Clif broke free and staggered to a neighbor’s home for help. Angi cut herself loose and escaped through a window. Now panicked, Horton stole Cliff’s car and fled. After a high-speed police chase, he was wounded in a shoot-out and captured.

In Lawrence, Susan Forrest, a young reporter for the Eagle-Tribune, was covering Horton’s rampage and recapture. But one chilling detail puzzled her, “The question everyone wants answered.” she wrote “is how a cold-blooded murderer ever got out in the first place.”

Forrest’s editor Dan Warner encouraged her to find out. But she ran into a buraeticatic stone wall. Micheal Fair commissioner of the Massachusetts Department of Correction, at first refused to talk to her. Then he cited the state’s 1972 Criminal Offender Record Information Act, which strictly limits public access to court and prison records of convicted killers, and criminals. The right to privacy that made their crimes virtually a state secret.

Warner and Forrest were outraged, They could not find out why Horton had been released-or why Horton had been released-or how many other Hortons were walking the streets. Forrest appealed to the governor for an interview but was rebuffed.

Still, Susan Forrest’s hard-hitting front-page stories provoked public wrath. And two state representatives-former police officer Larry Giordano and Joseph Hermann-introduced a bill to ban furloughs for first-degree murderers.

At the public hearing on Giordano’s bill on May 27, 1987 members of Joey Fournier’s family listened as his sister Donna Fournier Cuomo, and his father, Ronald, begged lawmakers to end the furloughs. Another witness George Chaffee of Derry N.H. told a harrowing tale. His 44-year-old mother had been brutally beaten and murdered by a confessed Massachusetts rapist John Zukoski. Even after being convicted for second-degree murder, Zukoski became eligible for furloughs; and in September 1986 he was paroled, A few months later Zukoski was arrested yet again for beating and raping a woman.

“How many times,” Chaffee demanded before he is locked up for good”

The victims’ families made an impact on everyone present. The biggest shock, however, came from the testimony of associate CorrectionCommissioner Nennis Humphrey.

A sentence of “life without parole,” Humphrey revealed was meaningless. It was assumed that eventually everyone-even first-degree murderers like Horton would have their sentences commuted. and “get out/” After only 10 years, a lifer was routinely transferred to a minimum-security facility, which has no walls. There he becomes eligible for furloughs, Horton has been on his 10th-weekend pass when he disappeared.

The Massachusetts inmate furlough program was enacted in 1972 under Gov. Francis W. Sargent, and a killer soon escaped. This stirred up a legal controversy, but in 1976 Governor Dukakis pocket vetoed a bill to ban furloughs for first-degree murderers. It would he said, “cut the heart out of efforts at inmate rehabilitation/”

The furlough program, in essence, released killers on an “honor system” to see if they would stay out of trouble. This trial-and-error approach helped the governor decide when to commute, or reduce, a first-degree murder sentence, thus making a lifer eligible for parole. On average prisoners’ sentences commuted from life without parole spend 19 yrs in prison. Governor Dukakis, in fact, had already commuted 28 first-degree murderers by March 1987.

When Donna Fournier Cuomo learned that Horton had been repeatedly granting furloughs, all the nightmares of her brother’s death returned. At the May 27 hearing, she met other concerned women” Maureen Donovan, Joan Bamford, Joanne Pekarski, and Gertrude Lavigne. They had learned that the weekend Horton fled, he’d been spotted only two blocks from the Donovan’s home. “It could have been my family he went after,” she said.

The women circulated a petition to support Representative Giordano’s furlough ban bill. But the bill was stalled in committee by legislative allies of Governor Dukakis.

In the face of growing public opposition to the Dukakis, the administration made some revisions in the furlough guidelines (eligibility became 121/2 years in prison rather than the then 10) but defended the program relentlessly. At a news conference bureaucrats trotted out figures showing that relatively few killers in furlough had escaped. Human Services Secretary Philip Johnston told astonished reporters. “Don’t forget Mr. Horton had 9 previous successful furloughs.” (THEY ASSUMED.)

To Commissioner Fair, furloughs were a prison “management tool.” Unless a lifer has hope of parole, he argued, “we would have a very dangerous population in an already dangerous system.” But, critics wondered, if armed guards can’t control “very dangerous” killers inside locked cells, ** how are unarmed citizens supposed to deal with them?**

When Dukakis visited the Andover, Mass. police station one day, furlough opponents Maureen Donovan, Joanne Perkraski, and Mary Gravel got to meet with him. Gravel told the governor about her own daughter’s unsolved murder. “What if Claire’s killer is caught and convicted, then furloughed?” she asked,” What do you think my family would do if they were walking down the street and saw this person?”

“I’d probably feel the same way you do,” Dukakis responded. “But unfortunately, it’s not going to change my mind.”

The governor began recounting a recent discussion with inmates’ families about their grievances, but Maureen Donovam angrily interrupted. “You’ll meet with inmates’ families, but you keep avoiding us.”

The meeting quickly deteriorated. Dukakis explained that he hadn’t asked for the power of communication. Gravel rep;ied, “There’s no law that says you have to use it”

“If you don’t like the system, you can change it,” the governor said. “Thank you very much,” Donavan answered, “That’s exactly what we’ll do.”

The encounter with Dukakis convinced the women that their best option was to put a referendum about the furloughs on the November 1988 ballot. “Within weeks, they formed CAUS-CITIZENS AGAINST UNSAFE SOCIETY.

Susan Forrest had still been unable to get Horton’s records. Red up, Sam Warner invited every newspaper editor in the state to a meeting in May 1987. There he and Forrest denounced the prisoner privacy statute and asked for support to open Horton’s files. The result was a flood of articles and indignant editorials. Finally, under pressure, the state released Horton’s records. These confirmed that while in prison he had a record of 11 disciplinary infractions, three drug-related. Yet prison officials eventually gave Horton “excellent” evaluations and said, “he projects quite a sense of responsibility.”

In the months following the hearing, there were other revelations. 1)Legislators learned that Horton had also been turned loose daily, with little supervision, on daily a work-release program. His job to help mental patients. 2) Of over 80 Massachusetts convicts listed as escaped and still at large, only four had actually ‘‘escaped.” The rest simply walked away from furloughs, prerelease centers, and other minimum-security programs. These convicts included murderers, rapists, armed robbers, and drug dealers. 3) Commissioner Fair personally approved first-degree-lifer Armand Therrien’s transfer from a medium-security prison to a minimum-security one, which made him eligible for a work release program. Therrien, a two-time murderer, walked off and vanished in December 1987.

None of the women of CAUS had ever been involved in grass-roots politics, and they faced an enormous job of gathering 50,525 certified voter signatures by early December 1987, the deadline for the 1988 ballot. Before long, they were regular fixtures on talk shows, and other volunteers came forward.

Many of the CAUS members like the Fourniers and Gravels were families of murdered children. George Harris, a retired police officer, was an early recruit. His son George Jr a state trooper, was shot and killed while on duty in 1983. Marion and Jon Spinney’s daughter, Karen was stabbed to death in 1975 by an armed robber who was on furlough. Paula Marie, in 1986 was also given a meaningless sentence of “life without parole,”

The signature drive became their crusade, Working 15-hour days the core group of 20 people canvassed the state, haunting shopping malls, bingo halls, and churches. Paula Danforth, eight months pregnant, helped corral a thousand signatures in one day.

A Massachusetts House committee held further hearings. Families of victims told their stories, including Vuvianne Ruggiero, whose 27-year-old husband John, a police officer had been shot in the head five times without provocation, John left his widow with two small children, Meanwhile, Vivianne testified John’s convicted killer, Daniel Ferreira, sentenced to life without parole, had married while on one of his 33 furloughs. “Isn’t he lucky that he can go on with his life?” Vivianne said bitterly. “I wish I could have a furlough-one weekend, or one hour when my husband’s death is not on my mind.”

Cliff and Angi Barnes Horton’s victims also testified. “I’m tired of hearing about the rights of prisoners,” Angi said, “As far as I’m concerned, they gave up those rights when they took another person’s life.” Cliff was asked about the success rate of the furlough program. “So we’re expendable,” he retorted, “Is that what they are saying?”

After the hearings, CAUS members worked feverishly to collect and deliver signed petitions to city halls across the state. Late at night on December 1, 1987, nine bone-weary volunteers crowded into Joan Bramford’s living room to tally the results. They had 52,407 signatures, There were screams, tears, and hugs all around.

In the waning days of 1987, CAUS members were glad they had taken matters out of politicians’ hands, The state’s House [assed Giordannos’s bill overwhelmingly. But in the Senate, Royal Bollinbg Sr. used parliamentary stalling tactics to kill it as the legislative session ended.

A month later, Bollomg received a standing ovation for his efforts from 400 inmates at Norfolk prison. “I’m always glad to see some of my old friends,” “I hope I will continue to deserve your goodwill.”

The occasion for this strange episode was ‘Legislative Awareness Day,” an annual event that reminds Massachusetts inmates they are allowed to Vote. An inmate leader urged fellow convicts to register and vote against the referendum banning furloughs. a deputy secretary of state Richard Shilbey, brought in hundreds of absentee ballot applications.

Although the CAUS referendum was virtually assured of voter approval in November, Representative Giordano reintroduced his furlough ban bill to halt the program even sooner. And, as spring arrived, Dukakis came under mounting pressure to end the furlough program himself before it hurt his Presidential campaign.

On March 22, 1988, at a packed news conference, the governor promised not to veto Giordano’s bill. Asked if he was personally in favor of furloughs, Dukakis answered “That is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that the people of the Commonwealth and the legislature aren’t.” He added he still wanted some alternative program to help him commute the sentences of first-degree murderers, On April 28, after the legislature passed the furlough ban by a wide margin, the governor signed it into law. (In preparing this article, Readers Digest, requested an interview with Governor Dukakis, but he declined.)

For Maureen Donavanm CAUS’s feisty co-founder, the work to reform the system has just begun. With Dukakis seeking an alternative to the furlough program, CAUS has announced its next goal will be to restrict the governor’s power to commute life sentences.

For the Lawrence Eagle-Tribune, an effort to uncover hidden facts became a crusade by Susan Forrest, BarbarWalsh, and other determined reporters. The furlough system was finally exposed to public scrutiny. On March 31, 1988, the Eagle-Tribune, received journalism’s highest honor: The Pulitzer Prize.

For Donna Fournier Cuomo, the issue remains hauntingly, harshly personal. On the 13th anniversary of her brother’s murder, she visited the now-deserted gas station in Lawrence. She cried softly as she stared at the empty windows, symbols of the terrible waste. Joey, she thought, would have been 30 yrs old.

“Someone asked, “Are you doing this for your brother?” “Donna once testified. “I guess I am,... because if I didn’t-he’d died for nothing. And then you couldn’t live with yourself because justice would not have been served,”


17 posted on 08/15/2023 1:29:32 PM PDT by GailA (Constitution vs evil Treasonous political Apparatchiks, Constitutional Conservative.)
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To: PROCON; Chode; SkyDancer; Salamander; Carriage Hill; Lockbox; MtnClimber; nascarnation; Squantos; ..
If anyone has spare $$$ have fun
18 posted on 08/15/2023 1:44:52 PM PDT by mabarker1 ( (Congress- the opposite of PROGRESS!!! A fraud, a hypocrite, a liar. I'm a member of Congress!!!)
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To: Boogieman

NEITHER ONE!

Kill the criminals and the problem solves itself.


19 posted on 08/15/2023 1:48:29 PM PDT by 5th MEB
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Those are cheap if good quality. Last one I looked at was $20,000 and change.


20 posted on 08/15/2023 1:50:00 PM PDT by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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