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I'm particularly interested in insider reports, personal experience reports as well as researched docs related to the above such from the better sites. Some sites, such as Rense, are not favored at all by Jim and I'd rather support his sensibilities rather than antagonize them.

We may be walking a fine line here. But I think that if we are responsible and remotely reasonable, we can at least have some fun and MAY just make some worthy contributions to our understanding of the difficult times we live in.

Cheers, Blessings,

1 posted on 06/21/2004 4:31:11 PM PDT by Quix
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PING RE A NEW THREAD AND POSSIBILITIES


2 posted on 06/21/2004 4:33:13 PM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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METEOR THREAD HERE:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1157540/posts


4 posted on 06/21/2004 4:41:29 PM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: Quix; JustPiper; nw_arizona_granny; StillProud2BeFree
My daughter is getting married on July 10th in Orlando, FL. The happy couple will take their Honeymoon in Alaska. I'll keep you posted. I hope that any sensations of earth moving will be romantic and not geological.
7 posted on 06/21/2004 5:07:48 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Paranoid is what the LAZY call: The Determined and Prepared.)
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Cheers back at ya QUIX. You Got Stones!!! Bookmarked. Will visit as often as Threatmatrix. . .


19 posted on 06/22/2004 4:55:46 AM PDT by bored at work (My God is the main course. . .not allah carte')
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Oh yea, BTW, T minus one day 'till impact . . . 1/2 lol. . .


20 posted on 06/22/2004 4:57:42 AM PDT by bored at work (My God is the main course. . .not allah carte')
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Can you say a shred of anything about the aforementioned's association with

any

of my aforementioned uhhhh sorts of projects

hereon or via FREEPMAIL?


33 posted on 06/23/2004 8:28:29 AM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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Assuming even half what you assert is true, I can appreciate that protecting your identity could be rather priceless as well as a life/death issue.

But I don't think you can blame people, given all the givens, for questioning your credentials etc. It's not as though you come here with a long list of very trustworthy vetting data points.

In terms of asking God. . . .

1) THE UFO/ET PART OF THE 'LIGHT SHOW' WILL BEGIN?

I don't have God's reply on this score. My sense is within 1-5 years.

2) THE WWIII PART OF THE BIBLICAL 'END TIMES' 'LIGHT SHOW' WILL BEGIN?

I also expect within 1-5 years.

3) THE GLOBALISTS WILL OVERTLY SHOW THEIR HAND?

I also expect within 2-7 years.


40 posted on 06/27/2004 2:07:09 PM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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GC: America is falling from within:

QX: No big argument there.

GC: With the looming elections of another terrorist President in the wings, America is positioning itself for another 4 years of corruption. America’s greatest assets are its uninformed citizens that think that clouds are still made of cotton candy and Mickey Mouse is real!
The more in the dark you are the more you can be manipulated into submission.

QX: IF you are asserting that George W Bush is worse than KOMMIE KERRY, I guess I still differ rather intensely on that score. I see KOMMIE KERRY BRINGING ON THE GLOBALIST GOVERNMENT MUCH SOONER. Do you really disagree? Who's side are you on? Are you FOR the globalist government as many TMMer's believe you are?

GC: Europe is run by the same “Bad Boys” and will suffer the same fate if they do not distance themselves from America! I am sure that someone somewhere is plotting the next suicide bomb to kill those innocent people who just wish to have natural fun and live a life with dignity and respect and not have their heads cut off on national TV for all to see and gasp in horror!

QX: I don't know which country contains the greatest number of most destructive puppet masters. It would seem at times, that we do. But we have no monopoly on them. Europe seems destined per Biblical prophecy to eclipse the USA at some point in this end times game. Probably quite sadly.

GC: America is behind most of the terror in many countries and now they will sow what they reap!

QX: That's a pretty wholesale broadside. I can believe that the puppet masters are. I'm very skeptical that "America" is wholesale. I suspect there are more patriots playing more hidden roles than you or anyone but God could guess at.

GC: China is learning fast not to trust the west, but be original in your tactics!

QX: I tend to be rather original. But, Chinese don't trust people from the next door neighborhood--much less the West!

GC: Saudi Arabia all along cannot stand Americans and will not rest until America falls!

QX: No doubt about that.

GC: They are double dipping in the pot by selling oil, employing Americans and others, and using the profits from oil sells to finance terrorist groups worldwide. They even kill their own to make a point.

QX: No argument there.

GC: But the Middle East needs water more than oil and just maybe someone will turn their water off!

QX: Energy can = water as they've demonstrated. Would have to turn off the energy to turn off the water. Though the Israelis and Turks could have some say about some of the river waters.

GC: America has murdered and destroyed nations of people, while the UN just stood by. Politics is weak and has no strength; all run by fat little men that need Viagra to stay up with the pack!

QX: Our history with Native Americans and others has not been lily white by a long shot. Still, we're tons better than the 2nd best in a list of ways.

GC: The Americans are weak, Aids infested people that believe that excess is a normal way of life.

QX: Too much truth to that!

GC: They will suck the blood from a vampire to get what they want!

QX: Many arrogant leaders would certainly try!

GC: And yes they are getting just revenge against America for their crimes against humanity all in the name of their God! God has forsaken America and has turned his favor away so that means that its like a lamb all alone on the plains with no shepherd to lead the flock and hungry lions waiting for the cover of darkness to fall!

QX: Growing truth to that. But not all the righteous have quit praying and not all have quit living as righteously by God's Grace, as much as they can. And, I think our ratio is still better than that related to Abraham about 10 righteous left in Soddom and G.


41 posted on 06/27/2004 2:15:38 PM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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There was an earthquake this morning in Illinois.
I checked with my friends in the area.
Everything ok, but they were surprised.


44 posted on 06/28/2004 2:14:37 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: Quix
QUIX, do you remember this post

********************** To: JustPiper

1) Declaring the entire religion a "terrorist organization"

2) "Filling concentration camps"

3) "making this the most unpleasant place in the world to be mooselimb"

There were several positive replies to this post and a couple unrelated posts in the same vein.

What some call "a dream". I call a living nightmare.

Terrorism involves the indiscriminate targeting of civilians - - men, women, and children - - to achieve a particular end.

I won't post to a thread where people openly advocate terrorism, others silently approve, and the rest simply say nothing.

I thought that could only happen with a jihadi thread . . . or a mosque . . .

We should practice what we preach . . .what if we were to give the folks on this board 24 hours to denounce certain posts . . .or else . . .?

You who are without sin can go cast that first stone at your local mosque.

After this coming attack, I'm sure there will be no shortage of self-righteous volunteers. It is a great pity that they will not be able to see that they will have become what they so hate themselves.

They will have become jihadis themselves.

News flash - - Mr. Mohammed and Mr. Malvo were black, Mr. Padilla was hispanic, and there are plenty of "lily white" terrorists as well (Gadahn for instance).

When you start to fill your "concentration camps", won't they start to look like America?

Won't it be America that you have imprisoned?

And when the "concentration camps" fill, and the attacks increase because of the monstrous injustice you have inflicted on the innocent, will you have to resort to some type of "final solution". After all, there can be no coexistence?

Can there?

After all, the "entire religion" is a "terrorist organization". And terrorists must be found out and destroyed.

Don't they?

At the end of time, we will be held accountable for every word we have spoken (and written). I will have much for which I will have to answer, but I will not allow myself to be held accountable for this.

Watch carefully, as the terror escalates *there*, what you are seeing *here* is the birth of little baby jihadis, conceived in fear and hate, dividing the world into "us" and "them", and advocating our own "holy war" against "them" - - not against the killers, not against their sponsors - - just "them".

Even with Sodom and Gommorah, God said He would spare the place - - that entire putrid cesspool, if He could find ten just men.

Will he find them here? And will he spare us?

A word to the wise - - if you believe you will one day be called to give account for what you say and do - - every careless word - - then you should be most alarmed at what you are seeing here - - broadbrushed demonization of an entire class of Americans (millions who bear the misfortune of being called "Muslim"), encouragement to discover the locations of local mosques, and calls to terrorize and imprison the innocent. And this is just the start . . .

Asteroids, "prophetic utterances", and conspiracy theories are one thing.

Advocacy of terrorism is another.

I don't post to jihadi threads, so I won't post to what some would like to make a mirror image.

Parting advice for the dark days ahead:

"Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good". (Romans 12:21)

******************************************** This post just left a bad taste with me. The "theys" and the first person "we's" and the You who are without sin can go cast that first stone at your local mosque.

Something inside made me made me micro analyze this post and its interesting. . .

I dont have a problem with the post but I have a problem with the disappearance of this guy. He was very prevolant for two months and then this post . . .then nothing. . .man

60 posted on 06/29/2004 5:28:45 PM PDT by bored at work (My God is the main course. . .not allah carte')
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I was searching for a forum to post what happened in my prayer time this morning. Thank you Lord for leading me here.

The Holy Spirit led me to pray for the state of California specifically the south central area. He took me into deep prevail for quite sometime. I would urge intercessors and prayer warriors to pray for California and the precious saints who live there to repent and seek God.

Thanks for this opportunity, it was weighing heavy.
www.preparetoleave.com


78 posted on 06/30/2004 5:54:55 AM PDT by PrepareToLeave
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Good morning all! Reading this forum yesterday was truly a blessing. I've pinged some of you at random to send blessings in the Name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. My faith was strengthened by some of the visions, words, etc. and it only served to reinforce what I've been hearing from the Lord. How valuable this site may become in the times ahead!

The vision of the caotic scene with Christians going back and forth from one prophet to another and then the stark contrast of Christ in the wilderness who has called His saints unto Himself and given messages for the last days made me realize that there are many others out there that have met Him in the Secret Place and received words of profound importance. I gladly lifted up all of you and all the prophets of America this morning. As we support each other in prayer, it will be amazing to watch as God opens the doors for us to finally speak what has been burning in our hearts, for His glory and the ushering in of His Kingdom.


92 posted on 07/01/2004 9:03:19 AM PDT by PrepareToLeave
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Bibles for Iraq' Project Puts Word Into Welcoming Hands
By Allie Martin and Jenni Parker

(AgapePress) - A recent visitor to the Middle East says there is a huge need for copies of God's Word in the war-torn nation of Iraq.

Vernon Brewer, president of World Help, recently met in Cairo, Egypt, with a ministry worker who helps distribute Bibles in Iraq. He says the Egyptian "Bibles for Iraq" project director had just returned from a week in Iraq, where he was overseeing the distribution process of the
New Testaments the Word Help ministry is providing. "He told me that their convoy had been fired upon by terrorists," the ministry spokesman says, "and thankfully, they were not hit, but it was a close call."

Although Brewer was not able to go into Iraq because of security concerns, he says many believers are busy there. He notes, "We're networking with 72 churches. We're building a training center in the middle of Baghdad to train pastors and church planters, and we're distributing hundreds of thousands of Bibles. God's moving there, and
it's incredible what He's doing."

And Brewer says Bibles are in great demand in Iraq. "I've learned that the Iraqi people love to read," he says. "They've asked us for more and more New Testaments, and because it's open right now and there's no oppressive regime, many of them are open [to the gospel]."

World Help's president says although the official handover of power to Iraqi officials took place this week, the ministry will still be able to distribute New Testaments in the region because of its network of volunteers in the Middle East. World Help has also cooperated with national pastors and church leaders in other parts of the world to equip and train more than 7,000 pastors in regions such as Eastern Europe, India, China, Nepal and Myanmar (Burma) in intensive week-long Strategic Alliances for Leadership Training (SALT).

The ministry also supplies trainees with hundreds of books and resources to make their ministries more effective.
To date, World Help has distributed more than seven million Bibles, New Testaments, and books to churches, hospitals, military bases, public schools, and orphanages worldwide. As a result, the ministry reports that more than 35,000 people have publicly prayed to receive Christ --many of them individuals who had never before heard a clear presentation of the gospel.

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155 posted on 07/06/2004 8:54:37 AM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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Here's an interesting perspective by a renowned British astronomer on end times.




INSIGHTS
July 2004 issue
Doom and Gloom by 2100

Unleashed viruses, environmental disaster, gray goo--astronomer Sir Martin Rees calculates that civilization has only a 50-50 chance of making it to the 22nd century

By Julie Wakefield

SIR MARTIN REES: LIFE AMONG STARS

Knighted in 1992; became Astronomer Royal in 1995.

Career choice in an alternative universe: music composer.

Has bet $1,000 that a bioterror or "bioerror" incident will claim one million lives by 2020 (see www.longbets.org/9).

"We can't enjoy the benefits of science without confronting the risks."

Death and destruction are not exactly foreign themes in cosmology. Black holes can rip apart stars; unseen dark energy hurtles galaxies away from one another.

So maybe it's not surprising that Sir Martin Rees, Britain's Astronomer Royal, sees mayhem down on Earth. He warns that civilization has only an even chance of making it to the end of this century. The 62-year-old University of Cambridge astrophysicist and cosmologist feels so strongly about his grim prognostication that last year he published a popular book about it called Our Final Hour.

The book (entitled Our Final Century in the U.K.) represents a distillation of his 20 years of thinking about cosmology, humankind and the pressures that have put the future at risk. In addition to considering familiar potential disasters such as an asteroid impact,
environmental degradation, global warming, nuclear war and unstoppable pandemics, Rees thinks science and technology are creating not only new opportunities but also new threats. He felt compelled to write Our Final Hour to raise awareness about both the hazards and the special
responsibilities of scientists.

As one himself, Rees was among the first to posit that giant black holes power quasars, and his work on quasar distribution helped to refute the theory that the cosmos exists in a steady state.

Rees directed Cambridge's Institute of Astronomy until 1992; he then served for a decade as a Royal Society Research Professor before assuming the mastership of Cambridge's Trinity College. Since 1995 Rees has also held the honorary title of U.K. Astronomer Royal, once an
active post based at Greenwich Observatory and first held by John Flamsteed and then Edmond Halley.

Astronomers are well positioned to ponder the fate of humanity, Rees insists, because they have a unique vantage point in terms of the vast timescales of the future. "Astronomers have a special perspective to see
ourselves as just a part of a process that is just beginning rather than having achieved its end," he says. "And perhaps this gives an extra motive to be concerned about what happens here on Earth in this
century."

Innovation is changing things faster than ever before, and such increasing unpredictability leaves civilization more vulnerable to misadventure as well as to disaster by design. Advances in biotechnology, in terms of both increasing sophistication and decreasing costs, means that weaponized germs pose a huge risk.

In a wager he hopes to lose, Rees has bet $1,000 that a biological incident will claim one million lives by 2020. "In this increasingly interconnected world where individuals have more power than ever before at their fingertips, society should worry more about some kind of
massive calamity, however improbable," Rees states.

Image: KRT/Chicago Tribune

APOCALYPSE SOON? A 2003 bioterror drill in Cambridge, Mass.

In calculating the coin-flip odds for humanity at 2100, Rees adds together those improbabilities, including those posed by self-replicating, nanometer-size robots. These nanobots might chew through organic matter and turn the biosphere into a lifeless "gray goo," a term coined by nanotech pioneer K. Eric Drexler in the 1980s.

Gray goo achieved more prominence last year after Prince Charles expressed concern about it and Michael Crichton used it as the basis for his novel Prey.

It's not just out-of-control technology that has Rees worried. Basic science can present a threat. In July 1999 Scientific American ran a letter by Princeton University physicist Frank Wilczek, who pointed to "a speculative but quite respectable possibility" that the Brookhaven
National Laboratory's Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider (RHIC) could produce particles called strangelets.
These subatomic oddities could grow by consuming nearby ordinary matter.

Soon after, a British newspaper posited that a "big bang machine"--that is, RHIC--could destroy the planet.

The ensuing media flurry led then Brookhaven director John H. Marburger to pull together an outside panel of physicists, who concluded that the strangelet scenario was remote, about a one-in-50-million chance of killing six billion people. (Another panel, convened by CERN near
Geneva, drew a similar conclusion.)

In Our Final Hour, Rees noted that the chances can be expressed differently--namely, that 120 people might die from the RHIC experiments. He thinks experts should debate in public the merits and risks of such work.

© 1996-2004 Scientific American, Inc. All rights reserved.

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175 posted on 07/07/2004 8:36:58 AM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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WHOA....yep, you were right, and thanks for the link, my kind of forum.
My biggest warning would be to find fellow believers, join hearts and hands but STAY AWAY from organized religion. I used to be an ordained minister. God said,"Come out of her." It was hard for me to understand until I was no longer under her bondage, but it has been hard, I love people even the mean ones most of the time. lol I have friends who are wrapped up in the system of religion, they ask me to please go with them, but I know what will happen, I will be asked to leave. Or I will watch judgement fall, know its coming and can't do anything. Sometimes you just don't know what to do, I just know where I am NOT suppose to be right now. Thanks for the tip Dr. Quix...lol. And I swear I am on no meds. Someday I will give my testimony, and reading some of these posts actually brought a feeling of peace. I'm glad you provided a place to go where the flames are not so hot.


232 posted on 07/12/2004 3:41:09 PM PDT by BriarBey
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UFO INVASION AT RENDELSHAM sp?

is on SCI FI now and is a worthwhile treatment.

First time base commander has been on camera is due up in next segment.


259 posted on 07/13/2004 4:47:18 PM PDT by Quix (PRAYER WARRIORS, DO YOUR STUFF! LIVES AND NATIONS DEPEND ON IT)
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To: Quix

bookmarking for later read


274 posted on 07/14/2004 3:05:06 PM PDT by Hegemony Cricket (Better fight the WOT in the Iraqi "holy" city of Najaf, than in the American holy city of New York.)
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INTERESTING THREAD started about the Charismatic Movement in The Roman church is here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1173471/posts


324 posted on 07/17/2004 8:08:52 PM PDT by Quix (PRAYER WARRIORS, DO YOUR STUFF! LIVES, SOULS AND NATIONS DEPEND ON IT)
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ET DOC:

From: Gladrags2@webtv.net (Anita Bush)

To: end-times_news@associate.com

Subject: Aliens Among Us?


Professor exposes the aliens among us
In the world of academia, Northern Kentucky University philosophy professor Dr. Robert Trundle realizes his beliefs are not exactly widely embraced. "Shunned" is the word he sometimes uses.

The title of his forthcoming book is, in part at least, in response to what he calls "the cowardice and vanity of a sizeable percentage of American professors." Scheduled for release early next year, it's called "Is ET Here? No Politically, but Yes Scientifically and Theologically"
(EcceNova Editions, Victoria, British Columbia).


Dr. Trundle, 60, occupies an almost monastic office on the second floor of NKU's Landrum Hall. It's a room about 10 by 10, and every available square foot is piled high with texts of one sort or another. I was careful not to touch off an avalanche when I sat among the stacks the other day and asked him to boil his book down to its basics. So what does he mean by that title? Do beings from places other than
this planet walk among us?


"Yes, I believe contact was made 50 years ago -- and I believe beings from other planets are here now, mainly to study us," Dr. Trundle said.


"Does ET exist from a political perspective? No, because the government is afraid of the culture shock and public panic. For the government to acknowledge the existence of extraterrestrials here would beto admit it can't protect us from them.


"Scientifically, I argue that thousands of well-regarded witness accounts cannot simply be dismissed. I'm talking about pilots who have come forward even though it's meant they've had to undergo psychiatric exams as a direct result."


At the very least, he said, we can't use current science as the standard for excluding the possibility of a more advanced science:

"For example, science says it's impossible to travel at the speed of light. If it were possible, it would take four years of traveling at the speed of light to get to the nearest star system, Alpha Centauri.


"Given our current technology, it would probably take us 50,000 years to get there, plus or minus. Based on that, the scientific establishment somewhat blithely dismisses the existence of extraterrestrials.

"It's like saying if we can't do it, they can't do it either."


Dr. Trundle's book is not an easy read, but it's an intriguing sampler of UFO lore, sightings and documents, including this Freedom of Information Act version of a March 22, 1950, FBI memo stating in part:

"An investigator for the Air Force stated that three so-called flying saucers had been recovered in New Mexico -- circular in shape with raised centers, approximately 50 feet in diameter. Each -- occupied by three bodies of human shape but only 3 feet tall."


It's a subject Dr. Trundle has been chasing for years. His grandfather, president of the now-defunct Trundle Engineering Co. in Cleveland, was fascinated with extraterrestrials and, when he died in 1954, left Robert
a small collection of books about UFOs. His first article to the effect that ETs are here, entitled "Extraterrestrial Intelligence: Challenge to Theology, Physics and Metaphysics," was published in 1994. His second
book, "Illustrated News of the Unbelievable," was co-authored with George Filer, a retired Air Force intelligence officer.


Dr. Trundle paints a virtual "Men in Black" picture of the ET scene in which several species are visiting the earth, most in a human form. But why?


"There are benign scenarios in which they might be seen as
anthropologists coming here out of curiosity," he said.
"Then there is a more threatening scenario, which is that they're studying to see if the earth is habitable. An even more worrisome possibility is that they have a hybrid program of sexually mating with humans to strengthen their species."


No doubt about it. Dr. Trundle would have an easier go of it if he stuck to Socrates. "But I'm trying to apply the truth in the way Socrates called for it to be applied to everyday life," he said. He's convinced he's right. All he's lacking is cold, hard proof.


"If I had that, it would be the most astonishing event since the resurrection of Christ."


Contact David Wecker at (513) 352-2791 or via e-mail at

sambets@choice.net.


Copyright 2004 The Cincinnati Post, an E.W. Scripps newspaper.


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350 posted on 07/20/2004 10:50:13 PM PDT by Quix (PRAYER WARRIORS, DO YOUR STUFF! LIVES, SOULS AND NATIONS DEPEND ON IT)
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Message to the US Church/Selvaraj Part 1
Meri Burlingame
Jul 21, 2004
I usually don't post anything with these lovely forward marks, but this and the following post I thought merited our attention.Thanks to Marilyn Wright for forwarding these to me.

Meri

ANZAC Prophetic List wrote:

"PROPHETIC MESSAGE to the USA CHURCH"

-by Sadhu Sundar Selvaraj (-prophet from India).

Delivered to the church in St. Louis, June 2002.

Don't you believe any of the false prophets who preached to you after 9/11 saying it was not a judgment of God.... Two days before 9/11 happened, a dear friend of mine, a very saintly prophet of God, was taken up in the spirit to Heaven. And while he stood before the presence of the Almighty God, the Lord Jesus Christ called forth for a mighty, powerful angel.

He came and stood before the Lord Jesus Christ. And a fiery torch was given to this angel. As soon as the angel held the torch, he became enflamed (engulfed) with fire from the crown of his head to the sole of his feet. And then, the command was given to the angel, GO FORTH! And cast this fire down upon the nations of the world. And the angel and this prophet came down, and they stood in the mid-heavens. And the angel told him, now see what happens.

And the angel took the fiery torch in his hand and cast down fires in several parts
of the earth. And when the fires were thrown, the angel told him, From now onward, there will be bombings, fires and destructions in many, many nations around the world. That (vision) was (given to this prophet) on the seventh of September (of 2001).

On the eighth of September, when he was conducting a fasting and prayer meeting in his church, the same angel came and stood by his side again, and repeated into his ear, audibly, word for word, every event that he saw the previous day. And the angel commanded him, Now, declare to your church everything that you saw and you heard. And with great fear and trembling, he shared what he saw and what he heard. And they all prayed.

Several days later came the judgment upon America. It was not an ordinary terrorist attack. If you read in the Old Testament, the five books of Moses, every time Israel would go away, go astray from the commandments and laws of God, the Bible says very clearly, God will turn her enemies against her. The hornets and the wild beasts will be let loose to come and create havoc in the land of Israel among the Israelites.

If God can do that to the chosen nation, the chosen people, how much more YOU? God removed his protective cover, removed his protective hand, because you constantly turned your back against the Almighty God.

I was supposed to speak with you about the crucified life, as I mentioned last night. But today, as I was here during the worship service, an angel of the Lord came and stood before me, and he told me to do something else. That is what is happening right now. Exodus 34:5 onwards..."And the Lord passed by before Him and proclaimed, The Lord, the Lord God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering and abundant in goodness and truth. Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin. And that will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquities of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, to the third and to the fourth generation."

Please observe the last part in verse seven, "visiting the iniquities of the fathers upon the children and upon the children's children unto the third and fourth generation. I came well prepared to continue preaching on the crucified life. But as we were deeply worshiping the Lord, I saw the chief prince angel over the nation of the United States of America.

He came and stood before me. I first began seeing chief prince angels of nations when I went to South Africa. That was the first time that I ever saw a chief prince
angel that is in charge of overlooking the affairs of an entire nation. And he gave me a word concerning the nation, concerning the will of God, and what God's purpose is for the nation. From then onwards, for the many, many nations that I would go to, the respective angels of those nations would come to me and give me a word for the nation: what is God's word, what does God think about the
nation, what has been happening in the nation, in the churches, and what is going to come to pass.

So when the angel of the United States of America came and stood before me, I tremble and quake every time I see an angel of a nation, I always tremble and quake in my heart, because of the awesome anointing and authority they have. When he came and stood before me, he told me, An awesome judgment is going to come upon America very soon. An awesome judgment. When he spoke, I felt
a fear, a Godly fear running through my bones and my spirit.

This is not a judgment that would destroy the entire nation, but something
quite similar to what happened with the twin towers. But, it can all be prevented, IF RIVERS OF INTERCESSION flow in the nation. This is the word that he told me to speak.

And I saw, that if you will take this seriously and pray, a huge river flowing all throughout the center of your country. If it flows - a river of tears, rivers of intercession (and as the angel was speaking, I saw this huge white river flowing from the east to the west)—only that would prevent this judgment that could come.

And then I saw this angel, where he was positioned and where he was standing,
guarding over the United States of America. He was standing very near to where the Statue of Liberty is. A huge, gigantic angel! If you read in Revelation, chapter ten, it is written, John saw an angel so huge and mighty that one of his legs was on the earth, the other leg was on the sea, and he stretched out his hand and he
reached to the sun. Can you imagine what a gigantic figure he must have been? Probably as tall as the Sears tower or the former World Trade Center. Such a huge, gigantic angel standing guard over the United States of America! My dearly beloved brothers and sisters, as he was speaking these words, he said this is the word that you should preach tonight.

And then I saw the heavens open, and from the throne of God, this word came to me: Visiting the iniquities of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's
children unto the third and to the fourth generation. The judgments of God. Don't you believe any of the false prophets who preach to you after 9/11 saying, it was not a judgment of God. I tell you, as a non-American, and as a holy prophet of God, what happened was a judgment from God....

You know, when I first came to America, in 1991, on the fourth of July, your Independence Day, I was in a conference scheduled to speak. As I was worshiping the Lord, I saw the heavens open before me, and the Lord Jesus Christ stood there, and He told me, "Now I am going to give you a word for this nation." Among the three things that He showed me, they all have come to pass, but I will tell you one thing that concerns you right now: I saw the flag of America. -- You know, I have never seen a people like the Americans, who love their nation so much, and who are so patriotic about their great nation. That is good. When I traveled in your country, I used to see these huge, gigantic flags that fly so majestically in some parts of the country. I feel very proud, as if I
myself was an American.

The same American flag, I saw in the heavens. But instead of flying in the right direction, it was flying in the reverse direction. And the Lord Jesus Christ was standing at the flag and knocking on the flag. And as He was knocking, I saw the words, LAST CALL flashing. Last Call was flashing and flashing. Then the word of the Lord came unto me, "This nation -- the flag that you see flying in the reverse direction is the heart of this nation that has turned away from righteousness, and is walking toward unrighteousness.
She has turned her back towards Me. Yet, I am still calling her. Last call, last call, last call. And for the three months that I was in the U.S. during that period, every church and every conference that I went to, I was commanded to share this vision. And ask the American people to pray for your country. But you know, I was very aghast to notice that the Americans, especially American Christians, take very lightly such words, because you think that the non-Christian Americans deserve God's judgment.

You really don't love your country. You think you love your country, but deep down in your heart, you don't really love your country. You have such a self-righteous attitude, thinking that the non-Christians deserve the judgment of God, and you deserve Heaven. Don't you think that when the twin towers came down, many Christians also perished? When the economy of New York City came to a standstill, how many Christians also suffered economic losses, job layoffs.

Thirty-thousand Indians working in New York City were sent back home. Overnight, 30,000 Indians lost their jobs. They came back home, among them, many Christians. They wrote to me for prayer. When the judgment of God comes, remember: even the righteous may have to suffer. When God's judgments came upon Israel, and she was taken captive to Babylon, righteous Daniel was among them! He was a captive. When Israel was under the captivity
of another foreign nation, righteous Jeremiah was there! Righteous Nehemiah was there. The righteous saints also go into the captivity! Don't you forget that. Don't forget that. You have been duped by all the false teachers and false prophets in your country, deluding you and deceiving you into thinking that no matter what happens, you will always be protected. As a result, you are suffering from spiritual lethargy, hearing only that which you want to hear and switching off when you don't want to hear.

You know, of you it is written in the Bible, "those who have itching ears, only wanting to hear pleasant words." My dear brothers and sisters, the judgments
of God are real. The countdown has begun.

You know, India and Pakistan came this close to an all-out nuclear war. If the war took place, the whole of Pakistan would have been wiped out. Four northern states in India would have been wiped out. And the defense analysts predicted that Pakistan would have been uninhabitable for thirty years because of the nuclear dust that would be hanging over the country. The whole of north India would have been wiped out. Nepal would be wiped out. Tibet would be affected. They came this close to an all-out nuclear war. Somehow, God spared us.

My dear brothers and sisters, if you read the Holy Bible, forget about church doctrines, forget about vain traditions and teachings of men who only want to bilk you out of your money. I am declaring to you the oracles of God right now. From Genesis to Revelation, if you read the Holy Bible, it shows very clearly two things: redemptive judgment. God judges! Because He is a good God. From the garden of Eden all the way up to the book of Revelation, you will see these two themes: love and judgment.

Not just love and love, and bless me and bless me. This is how your prophets and teachers are teaching you today. And they have not only corrupted the American church, they are corrupting the Indian church. They are corrupting the Eastern church, they're corrupting the African church and they're corrupting the European church. It (unbalanced teaching) has been exported!...

Many people teach, If you are once saved, you are forever saved. That is a teaching from the pit of hell. Once saved is not forever saved. (Technically, I do believe that, but not practically.) Not from the viewpoint of God, because it is written in Matthew 24:13, "He that endures until the end, only HE shall be saved." Enduring until the end! Lot's wife did not endure until the end. As she was on the road to redemption, she left behind her heart in Sodom and Gomorrah. Her heart pulled her back. And she turned and she saw, SAVED but then suddenly DESTROYED! Don't be deceived! I tell you one more time with great love and all humility, don't be deceived that once saved is always saved. Don't be deceived that just because you are a tongue-talking Christian that you will be saved and caught up in the rapture. Don't be deceived. He that endures until the end, only he shall be saved.

Look at the story of Nineveh. Jonah went there, preaching. It took three days to walk around the whole city. For three days, he was crying out, "REPENT! If not, then in forty days you will be destroyed!" From the king to the animals, they all fasted for forty days. They repented in sackcloth. God's heart was moved with compassion. Judgment was delayed, but Nineveh was eventually destroyed because she only repented for a season, like you (America).

After 9/11, the whole nation appeared holy and repentant for a season. Now you are back to normal. You are back to your filth. You are back to your corruption, you are back to your sins. You have forgotten the repentance you did after 9/11. The vows you have made unto the living God after 9/11, you have forgotten! The altars that you had repaired after 9/11, you have forgotten! And they are back in ruins again! The Scriptures say, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever." My spirit shall not strive with man forever.

Now come with me to the New Testament, in Luke, chapter nineteen. The Lord Jesus Christ looks at the city of Jerusalem, His beloved city, His own city, He has no other city except Jerusalem. He looked at the city, and He beat His face and He cried, and cried and cried. No one had ever seen the Lord Jesus crying like that before. This was even before He cried at Lazarus's tomb. He was beating His face, beating his breast and crying bitterly. Why? Because the very people for whom He came, as the very personification of redemption, they were going to reject the Messiah.

And what would result from that rejection? Judgment. The Lord Jesus predicted, "Oh Jerusalem, you are going to be destroyed! They are going to siege you around! You are going to be utterly destroyed! Your city will be burned, you will become ashes!" He cried, like a mother crying for her baby. Thirty-three and a half years after the Lord Jesus Christ was crucified, Jerusalem was burned to ashes. Not one time, but three times, the city was burned to ashes. My dear brothers and sisters, did she repent?

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351 posted on 07/21/2004 10:52:38 AM PDT by Quix (PRAYER WARRIORS, DO YOUR STUFF! LIVES, SOULS AND NATIONS DEPEND ON IT)
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