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Hobbit remains found in Australia
Reuters ^ | Wed, Oct 27, 2004 | Patricia Reaney

Posted on 10/27/2004 10:51:55 AM PDT by presidio9

Scientists in Australia have found a new species of hobbit-sized humans who lived about 18,000 years ago on an Indonesian island in a discovery that adds another piece to the complex puzzle of human evolution.

The partial skeleton of Homo floresiensis, found in a cave on the island of Flores, is of an adult female that was a metre (3 feet) tall, had a chimpanzee-sized brain and was substantially different from modern humans.

It shared the isolated island to the east of Java with miniature elephants and Komodo dragons. The creature walked upright, probably evolved into its dwarf size because of environmental conditions and coexisted with modern humans in the region for thousands of years.

"It is an extraordinarily important find," Professor Chris Stringer, of the Natural History Museum in London, told a news conference on Wednesday. "It challenges the whole idea of what it is that makes us human."

Peter Brown of the University of New England in Armidale, Australia, and his colleagues made the discovery of the skull and other bones, and miniature tools in September 2003 while looking for records of modern human migration to Asia. They reported the finding in the science journal Nature.

"Finding these hominins on an isolated island in Asia, and with elements of modern human behaviour in tool making and hunting, is truly remarkable and could not have been predicted by previous discoveries," Brown said in a statement.

Local legends tell of hobbit-like creatures existing on islands long ago but there has been no evidence of them.

DESCENDENT OF HOMO ERECTUS

The hominin family tree, which includes humans and pre-humans, diverged from the chimpanzee line about 7 million years ago. Early African hominins walked upright, were small and had tiny brains.

The new species, dubbed "Flores man", is thought to be a descendent of Homo erectus, which had a large brain, was full-sized and spread out from Africa to Asia about 2 million years ago.

The new species became isolated on Flores and evolved into its dwarf form to conform with conditions, such as food shortages. Flores, which was probably never connected to the mainland, was home to a variety of exotic creatures including a dwarf form of the primitive elephant Stegodon.

Modern humans had reached Australia about 45,000 years ago but they may not have passed through Flores. The scientists suspect the new species became extinct after a massive volcanic eruption on the island about 12,000 years ago.

Brown and his colleagues have found the remains of seven other dwarf individuals at the same site since the first find.

"The other individuals all show similar characteristics, and over a time range that now extends from as long ago as 95,000 years to as recently as 13,000 years ago -- a population of hobbits that seemed to disappear at about the same time as the pygmy elephants that they hunted," said Bert Roberts, one of the authors of the Nature study.


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To: Marysecretary

"Scientists have been proven wrong before. I don't remember all the details but apparently they had thought part of a skull that was found was the remains of early man. It turned out to be that of a chimp or gorilla."

Of course they've been wrong sometimes. However, in this case, they have the skull of this find. I put a photo of it right in this thread. It's not a chimp or a gorilla. Do go and look.


121 posted on 10/27/2004 12:54:50 PM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: presidio9; blam; Jeremiah Jr; Lijahsbubbe; fish hawk; Kahuna
Menehune ping!
122 posted on 10/27/2004 1:09:19 PM PDT by Thinkin' Gal (Arafat is a slug. Pass the salt.)
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To: Thinkin' Gal

Smithsonian Institute
207 Pennsylvania Avenue
Washington, DC 20078

Dear Mr. Williams:
Thank you for your latest submission to the Institute, labeled "93211-D, layer seven, next to the clothesline post...Hominid skull." We have given this specimen a careful and detailed examination, and regret to inform you that we disagree with your theory that it represents conclusive proof of the presence of Early Man in Charleston County two million years ago.

Rather, it appears that what you have found is the head of a Barbie doll, of the variety that one of our staff, who has small children, believes to be "Malibu Barbie." It is evident that you have given a great deal of thought to the analysis of this specimen, and you may be quite certain that those of us who are familiar with your prior work in the field were loathe to come to contradiction with your findings.

However, we do feel that there are a number of physical attributes of the specimen which might have tipped you off to its modern origin:

The material is molded plastic. Ancient hominid remains are typically fossilized bone.
The cranial capacity of the specimen is approximately 9 cubic centimeters, well below the threshold of even the earliest identified proto-homonids.
The dentition pattern evident on the skull is more consistent with the common domesticated dog than it is with the ravenous man-eating Pliocene clams you speculate roamed the wetlands during that time.
This latter finding is certainly one of the most intriguing hypotheses you have submitted in your history with this institution, but the evidence seems to weigh rather heavily against it. Without going into too much detail, let us say that:

The specimen looks like the head of a Barbie doll that a dog has chewed on.
Clams don't have teeth.
It is with feelings tinged with melancholy that we must deny your request to have the specimen carbon-dated. This is partially due to the heavy load our lab must bear in its normal operation, and partly due to carbon-dating's notorious inaccuracy in fossils of recent geologic record.

To the best of our knowledge, no Barbie dolls were produced prior to 1956 AD, and carbon-dating is likely to produce wildly inaccurate results.

Sadly, we must also deny your request that we approach the National Science Foundation Phylogeny Department with the concept of assigning your specimen the scientific name Australopithecus spiff-arino. Speaking personally, I, for one, fought tenaciously for the acceptance of your proposed taxonomy, but was ultimately voted down because the species name you selected was hyphenated, and didn't really sound like it might be Latin.

However, we gladly accept your generous donation of this fascinating specimen to the museum. While it is undoubtedly not a Hominid fossil, it is, nonetheless, yet another riveting example of the great body of work you seem to accumulate here so effortlessly. You should know that our Director has reserved a special shelf in his own office for the display of the specimens you have previously submitted to the Institution, and the entire staff speculates daily on what you will happen upon next in your digs at the site you have discovered in your Newport back yard. We eagerly anticipate your trip to our nation's capital that you proposed in your last letter, and several of us are pressing the Director to pay for it. We are particularly interested in hearing you expand on your theories surrounding the trans-positating fillifitation of ferrous metal in a structural matrix that makes the excellent juvenile Tyrannosaurus Rex femur you recently discovered take on the deceptive appearance of a rusty 9-mm Sears Craftsman automotive crescent wrench.


Yours in Science,


Harvey Rowe
Chief Curator-Antiquities


123 posted on 10/27/2004 1:19:09 PM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: presidio9
How big and fuzzy were the feet?

SO9

124 posted on 10/27/2004 1:23:05 PM PDT by Servant of the 9 (We are the Hegemon. We can do anything we damned well please.)
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To: Alkhin
Hobbit remains found in Australia

Anthropology PING
no, really.

So9

125 posted on 10/27/2004 1:25:46 PM PDT by Servant of the 9 (We are the Hegemon. We can do anything we damned well please.)
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To: King Prout; tiamat; MEG33
:loftily: Just because the rest of you are over grown gives you no right to pick on us who are normal sized.

Now be nice or I'll bite your knee.;^)

126 posted on 10/27/2004 2:06:22 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Dear Santa I am sorry about Donnor but one deer looks pretty much like another in the forest......)
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To: Marysecretary

That hoax is well over a century old and anthropologists are WELL beyond that.


127 posted on 10/27/2004 2:14:20 PM PDT by Alkhin ("Oh! Oh!" cried my idiot crew. "It's a woman! We are doomed!" - - Jack Aubrey, M&C series)
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To: Servant of the 9
Thank you Swervie!!!! :D Interesting find...I see the creationists are already making fun of it.

I swear sometimes I think I should create a new group of people, separate from the creationists AND the atheists in science...just so I can thumb my nose at both of them and tell them what idiots THEY are. Will sure as hell feel damn good....

128 posted on 10/27/2004 2:18:05 PM PDT by Alkhin ("Oh! Oh!" cried my idiot crew. "It's a woman! We are doomed!" - - Jack Aubrey, M&C series)
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To: Marysecretary
They've been wrong before. I don't trust any of their supposed findings. I don't pretend to be smarter, just a lot more careful about believing what people tell me.

I'm guessing that there is almost no evidence that you would consider sufficient when it comes to proving the theory of evolution.

129 posted on 10/27/2004 2:19:33 PM PDT by Modernman (Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys. - P.J.)
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To: Constitution Day

Ya shoulda been bombing in New Zealand. :)


130 posted on 10/27/2004 3:47:41 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: presidio9

So how did J.R.R. Tolkien know about these guys? ;o)


131 posted on 10/27/2004 4:33:11 PM PDT by SuziQ (Bush in 2004-Because we MUST!!!)
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To: FastCoyote; Corin Stormhands; g'nad

LOL - great letter, thanks for printing.


132 posted on 10/27/2004 4:41:11 PM PDT by osagebowman
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To: Modernman
I'm guessing that there is almost no evidence that you would consider sufficient when it comes to proving the theory of evolution.

I think it's called the *Theory* of Evolution for a reason. If it was proven it would be called a law or something. As to what evidence would be sufficient to prove it, I suppose if we could hang around for 2,000,000 years or so we might see the theory in action.

133 posted on 10/27/2004 4:41:46 PM PDT by nosofar
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To: presidio9

Homo Floresiensis was part of the Asian dispersals of the descendants of Homo ergaster and Homo erectus. Truely an amazing find and incredible that a branch of H.erectus survived up until almost the beginning of recorded history.

134 posted on 10/27/2004 5:24:52 PM PDT by Godebert
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To: mlocher

Apparently being erect didn't really mean much for him. I wonder if they died due to short jokes.


135 posted on 10/27/2004 5:27:20 PM PDT by U S Army EOD (John Kerry, the mother of all flip floppers.I)
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To: U S Army EOD
I wonder if they died due to short jokes.

LOL

136 posted on 10/27/2004 5:29:33 PM PDT by mlocher
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Mike Morwood: The most interesting aspects of the find include:

a) Some of the skeleton's features hark back to much earlier in the hominin sequence than the earliest Homo erectus finds from Java. Some of the 1.8-million-year-old finds from Dmanisis in Georgia are the closest match.

b) The little hominins lived at Liang until about 12,000 years ago. This is remarkably recent and overlaps by tens of thousands of years with modern humans in the region. Documenting the nature of interaction between us and them is a future priority.

c) The complexity of behaviour exhibited by the little hominins is unexpected given their small brain size. Communal hunting of Stegodon, use of fire and making sophisticated stone tools are all evident in associated deposits.

137 posted on 10/27/2004 5:36:02 PM PDT by Godebert
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Bert Roberts, of the University of Wollongong, whose team carried out the dating, said there were a lot of detailed folk tales on Flores about little people.

"These stories suggest there may be more than a grain of truth to the idea that they were still living on Flores up until the Dutch arrived in the 1500s," Professor Roberts said. "The stories suggest they lived in caves. The villagers would leave gourds with food out for them to eat, but legend has it these were the guests from hell. They'd eat everything, including the gourds."

138 posted on 10/27/2004 5:41:44 PM PDT by Godebert
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Dutch Sailors Hear of "Little Hairy People".

Interesting read.

139 posted on 10/27/2004 5:53:42 PM PDT by Godebert
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To: presidio9
From the article: The partial skeleton of Homo floresiensis, found in a cave on the island of Flores, is of an adult female that was a meter (3 feet) tall, had a chimpanzee-sized brain and was substantially different from modern humans.

Precursor of modern Democrats?

140 posted on 10/27/2004 5:58:01 PM PDT by searchandrecovery (Socialist America - diseased and dysfunctional.)
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