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Hobbit remains found in Australia
Reuters ^ | Wed, Oct 27, 2004 | Patricia Reaney

Posted on 10/27/2004 10:51:55 AM PDT by presidio9

Scientists in Australia have found a new species of hobbit-sized humans who lived about 18,000 years ago on an Indonesian island in a discovery that adds another piece to the complex puzzle of human evolution.

The partial skeleton of Homo floresiensis, found in a cave on the island of Flores, is of an adult female that was a metre (3 feet) tall, had a chimpanzee-sized brain and was substantially different from modern humans.

It shared the isolated island to the east of Java with miniature elephants and Komodo dragons. The creature walked upright, probably evolved into its dwarf size because of environmental conditions and coexisted with modern humans in the region for thousands of years.

"It is an extraordinarily important find," Professor Chris Stringer, of the Natural History Museum in London, told a news conference on Wednesday. "It challenges the whole idea of what it is that makes us human."

Peter Brown of the University of New England in Armidale, Australia, and his colleagues made the discovery of the skull and other bones, and miniature tools in September 2003 while looking for records of modern human migration to Asia. They reported the finding in the science journal Nature.

"Finding these hominins on an isolated island in Asia, and with elements of modern human behaviour in tool making and hunting, is truly remarkable and could not have been predicted by previous discoveries," Brown said in a statement.

Local legends tell of hobbit-like creatures existing on islands long ago but there has been no evidence of them.

DESCENDENT OF HOMO ERECTUS

The hominin family tree, which includes humans and pre-humans, diverged from the chimpanzee line about 7 million years ago. Early African hominins walked upright, were small and had tiny brains.

The new species, dubbed "Flores man", is thought to be a descendent of Homo erectus, which had a large brain, was full-sized and spread out from Africa to Asia about 2 million years ago.

The new species became isolated on Flores and evolved into its dwarf form to conform with conditions, such as food shortages. Flores, which was probably never connected to the mainland, was home to a variety of exotic creatures including a dwarf form of the primitive elephant Stegodon.

Modern humans had reached Australia about 45,000 years ago but they may not have passed through Flores. The scientists suspect the new species became extinct after a massive volcanic eruption on the island about 12,000 years ago.

Brown and his colleagues have found the remains of seven other dwarf individuals at the same site since the first find.

"The other individuals all show similar characteristics, and over a time range that now extends from as long ago as 95,000 years to as recently as 13,000 years ago -- a population of hobbits that seemed to disappear at about the same time as the pygmy elephants that they hunted," said Bert Roberts, one of the authors of the Nature study.


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KEYWORDS: archaeology; crevolist; flores; floresiensis; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; hobbit; hobbits; homofloresiensis; mikemorwood; multiregionalism; oliverthemissinglink; tlotr
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To: scory
"If it has a brain the size of a chimp's isnt' it rather likely that it IS a chimp or variety of chimp?"

Perhaps but it would have to be a chimp that made "miniature tools" that were found with the remains.

81 posted on 10/27/2004 11:26:48 AM PDT by DestroytheDemocrats
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To: Fedora

LOL!


82 posted on 10/27/2004 11:28:44 AM PDT by DestroytheDemocrats
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To: presidio9
The scientists suspect the new species became extinct after a massive volcanic eruption on the island about 12,000 years ago.

Historical-critical source of Mt. Doom / Tower of Baradur myths...

83 posted on 10/27/2004 11:29:28 AM PDT by aBootes (Whatever Cheney hit, it's flat now)
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To: presidio9; Constitution Day
And then you have your all-time classic Star Trek-LOTR double-whammy...

That video needs its own thermobaric bomb.

I feel dirty after watching it... ick

84 posted on 10/27/2004 11:32:59 AM PDT by jriemer (We are a Republic not a Democracy)
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To: DestroytheDemocrats

Chimps today make tools.


85 posted on 10/27/2004 11:33:18 AM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: King Prout

LOL!

THANKS

Unless she has hairy toes, i don't know anything about her....


:-)

( and SOME boyz LIKE little girls! )


86 posted on 10/27/2004 11:33:42 AM PDT by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno-World!")
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To: All

"It challenges the whole idea of what it is that makes us human."

No, it doesn't. From the info in the story it is probably an ape. How does discovering a new type of monkey challenge what makes us human? Because it was short? Ever hear of pygmys?


87 posted on 10/27/2004 11:34:31 AM PDT by BadAndy (Specializing in unnecessarily harsh comments.)
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To: All
The partial skeleton of Homo floresiensis, found in a cave on the island of Flores, is of an adult female that was a metre (3 feet) tall, had a chimpanzee-sized brain and was substantially different from modern humans. It shared the isolated island to the east of Java with miniature elephants and Komodo dragons. The creature walked upright, probably evolved into its dwarf size because of environmental conditions and coexisted with modern humans in the region for thousands of years.

Yes, but what the article fails to mention is that this new find consisted of strictly economists. We now know where Robert Reich and Paul Krugman come from. :-)

88 posted on 10/27/2004 11:34:43 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (Well... There you go again!)
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To: jriemer

Gaaaah!! WHY? WHY would someone create that?


89 posted on 10/27/2004 11:35:59 AM PDT by Constitution Day (I don't know where the sunbeams end and the starlights begin, it's all a mystery...)
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To: BadAndy
Not so fast. Here is a photo of the skull this new find, alongside a modern human skull. I've also posted a photo of a chimpanzee skull. Even a grade school kid can see that this small person is a hominid:


90 posted on 10/27/2004 11:36:34 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: nosofar
...they immediately assume that we are direct descendants.

There's nothing like that in the article.

91 posted on 10/27/2004 11:40:33 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: presidio9
Found some pictures of these ancient tiny humans:


92 posted on 10/27/2004 11:41:32 AM PDT by Defiant (Kerry was a useful idiot during the cold war. In the war on terror, he's just an idiot.)
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To: Marysecretary
So, you're saying that folks who've spent their entire adult lives studying comparative anatomy, anthropology and paleontology are incapable of telling a chimp skull from that of H. Erectus? It must be wonderful being oh, so much smarter than them damn eggheads what uses all them fancy words and such.
93 posted on 10/27/2004 11:41:59 AM PDT by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: Doctor Stochastic

It is a midget.


94 posted on 10/27/2004 11:42:47 AM PDT by Bungarian
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To: Soul_of_Chogokin

The article mentioned dwarfism is not uncommon in species finding themselves on relatively small islands. A species of dwarf mammoths once lived on the islands off California's coast.


95 posted on 10/27/2004 11:44:33 AM PDT by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: Constitution Day

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1040192/posts

My lone voyage into vanity land.


96 posted on 10/27/2004 11:45:42 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (I want to have fanatical henchmen when I grow up.)
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To: presidio9
Another date for slick willy?
97 posted on 10/27/2004 11:46:17 AM PDT by b4its2late (John John Kerry Edwards change positions more often than a Nevada prostitute!!!)
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To: BadAndy

My father has pictures of him standing with pygmies he met while fighting in the South Pacific in WWII. He was in New Guinea for some of that time and other islands in the area. I'm guessing from the pictures I've seen that they were around 3 to 4 feet tall, but could have included different ages, not just adults.


98 posted on 10/27/2004 11:46:18 AM PDT by Kirkwood (I think, therefore I am Republican!)
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To: presidio9

Yeah but chimp tools are little straws to poke at ants or rocks for hammering or maybe a shell for a cup. Don't cha think? And chimps don't carry tools around with them. They drop them once the task is finished.


99 posted on 10/27/2004 11:48:00 AM PDT by DestroytheDemocrats
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To: presidio9

The remains were found with Florida ballots from 2000...


100 posted on 10/27/2004 11:50:28 AM PDT by pabianice
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