Posted on 07/20/2005 7:24:47 PM PDT by hsmomx3
Someone came over and put Ortho® GroundClear® Complete Vegetation Killer Concentrate on our backyard.
Have any of you ever used this and if so, how long was it until you let your dogs out back?
It's very hot here--at least 110 degrees and I figure it should dry quite fast. The guy said not to let the dogs out back for two days but this is almost impossible.
Appreciate your comments.
I would never put that stuff on the ground with pets. I keep pond fish so it's out of the question.
pinging a dog expert.BTW, the label should indicate what you're asking.
Look at the packaging. There should either be instructions, or there should be a toll free number to call with questions.
If doggie can't go in the yard for a couple of days, I would board him someplace with air conditioning until it's safe.
Good luck, and you & doggie stay cool!
"It's very hot here--at least 110 degrees and I figure it should dry quite fast. The guy said not to let the dogs out back for two days but this is almost impossible."
Listen to what you were told or else you'll pay dearly in vet bills. I once had a service come spray for termites and the guy said he put chemical spikes along the garage, wouldn't other my dogs. My puppy thought it was a treat and started chewing on it then foaming at the mouth. Nice vet bill for me. Lesson, poison, if it kills insects and weeds it will certainly harm your pets and maybe you too if used often enough.
I stopped using poisons on my lawn. My outdoors cats eat all the insect like the pesky large beetles. Try and find a natural alternative.
Look it up on the web if you can't read the label.
I wouldn't put animals on it until it's had time to work and THEN lots of rain or water to wash it in. The concern is not just for burns to their feet, but the reality that dogs do lick their feet as well.
Wait two days or until the plants you wanted killed are withered, then water it in very very well. Don't let the dog on it till then.
wouldn't other my dogs
it(the spikes) wouldn't bother my dogs
I totally agree with what you said. Maybe our lawn isn't as perfect as others, but at least we, and our pets, are healthy for not having used poisons.
"Chronic toxicity: Studies of glyphosate lasting up to 2 years, have been conducted with rats, dogs, mice, and rabbits, and with few exceptions no effects were observed. For example, in a chronic feeding study with rats, no toxic effects were observed in rats given doses as high as 400 mg/kg/day. Also, no toxic effects were observed in a chronic feeding study with dogs fed up to 500 mg/kg/day, the highest dose tested."Imazapyr:
"Imazapyr caused very few toxicological effects in subchronic, chronic and developmental/reproductive studies in laboratory animals. All of these toxicity studies were conducted at doses of 400 milligrams per kilogram body weight per day (mg/kg/day) or higher, except the chronic dog feeding study where the highest dose tested was 250 mg/kg/day. The USEPA Office of Pesticide Programs established a reference dose (RfD) of 2.5 mg/kg/day for imazapyr based on a no-observed-effect level (NOEL) of 250 mg/kg/day from the chronic feeding study in dogs and an uncertainty factor of 100. This RfD has not yet been adopted by the USEPA's Integrated Risk Information System (IRIS). Imazapyr did not cause oncogenic effects in either rat or mouse chronic feeding studies. It also was negative in a number of genotoxicity studies. The USEPA classified imazapyr as a Group E (evidence of noncarcinogenicity in humans) carcinogen."
They look pretty safe, but your the applicator-technician probably gave you good advice about keeping the dogs off it for a few days.
I deal with the same issues of undesirable weeds in my pasture, but I'd rather pull and mow than risk poisoning.
I avoid mouse and rat poisons also... I just don't want the animals getting into the poison, or the dead rodents.
I figure at the rate humans are volunteerly spreading toxic poisons on lawns for that manicured *Desperate Housewives* neighborhood look the cancer rate in America should sky rocket very soon. Think water source, it comes from the ground or is piped in from another states ground source or lake which collects ground run offs. That's why stores discontinued flea and tick removal from lawns called Diazone(sp?)
I don't put any weed killer on my lawn either -- have a mulching mower so I don't bag grass clippings and gradually over the last few years, the grass has overtaken the weeds that were here when the house was bought several years ago. Also don't scalp my lawn so the grass is choking out the weeds. As my Dad always said -- weeds are green so just mow them off.
Only vegetation killer I used was for the poison ivy that was in the brook in the back of the property.
Thanks for this thread. I was just reading instructions for killing off the old weeds to prepare for seeding a new lawn. This changes my mind due to my two dogs. Time to find another ground cover!
It's amazing to me how so many people use so much energy and crud to create unsustainable and dangerous green expanses of plain old lawn. My lawn areas keep getting smaller and smaller each year, and my gardens and naturalized plantings, like blue festuca, keep expanding. One of the wonderful benefits of snow on the mountain, (other than it doesn't need mowing or watering), invasive though it is, is that it hides a lot of piles of dog poop, LOL!
I usually wait 24 hours before letting the dogs out.
A lot of these chemicals should be used in cooler weather, too. They usually recommend only using them below 90F.
What -- like as in vandalism? To kill off all your grass?
Stop inviting people to poison your garden. Anything that's dangerous to pets is dangerous to wildlife too. If you want a lawn that looks like Astro-Turf, get Astro-Turf -- it's not poisonous.
I DID NOT invite someone to poison my yard and pets. That is the LAST THING I want to do.
We live in the desert and due to the amount of rain we had this past winter, our so-called yard was overtaken by weeds. Not the kind you could easily pull out of the ground either. We have never been able to grow grass due to the soil and how hard the ground is.
As a result, we are in the process of having the entire back redone. The guy sprayed where the desert rock is to go. This is to prevent a major buildup of weeds. If you could see how the weeds have grown in our area, then you would understand why.
I called Ortho this morning and they informed me that if the ground is dry, there is no problem to let the dogs out for bathroom duties.
You're welcome.
Another thing you can do if the weeds are not bad is to put some liquid detergent (dish soap) in a large spray bottle with white vinegar. This will kill weeds but not the larger ones we have growing all over our neighborhood.
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