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In ambulance, survivors of S.F. tiger attack made pact of silence
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | January 5, 2008 | Jaxon Van Derbeken

Posted on 01/05/2008 4:26:41 AM PST by repinwi

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To: muawiyah; repinwi
The zoo changed the method for feeding the tigers to eliminate the risk to the handlers.

after a state investigation faulted the zoo.....NOT the caretaker, contrary to repinwi's claims.

61 posted on 01/05/2008 6:56:16 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: samtheman

Agree.Looks like there is more that we know.If it was 100% fault of the zoo,we would face attorneys for the families screaming all over the local TV stations.As far as I know,these two have a long criminal record.


62 posted on 01/05/2008 6:56:26 AM PST by QQQQ
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To: DogandPonyShow
The wild, dangerous, killing animal should NEVER be able to be on the loose. The zoo is liable.

Agreed. And criminal, trespassing, and other charges should be made against the boys, but, as you said, that is a separate matter.

63 posted on 01/05/2008 6:58:53 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: muawiyah

Oh please. I’m not “claiming” any evidence. If true, it’s a good question, wouldn’t you say? Personally, I think those two “yoots” were up to no good. What exactly that might have been, we don’t know-—yet.


64 posted on 01/05/2008 6:59:19 AM PST by MizSterious (Deport all the illegals to sanctuary cities.)
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To: QQQQ
They may have minor criminal records. At the moment we don't know if they are the same guys mentioned in an UNREFERENCED chatroom discussion somewhere.

If they have criminal records we need URLs.

65 posted on 01/05/2008 6:59:31 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: MizSterious
I think all the visitors to the zoo who are also members of PETA are there to check out the animals to see if they are ready for sexual intercourse.

That's based on an event in Seattle involving a bunch of PETA people and a stallion. One of the PETA guys died.

Given the environment, San Francisco, and their history, the Seattle event, my thoughts are certainly a place to start investigating this case.

66 posted on 01/05/2008 7:02:28 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: VR-21
I've always prefered cats to morons.

Me too. I hope these two morons get some hard core animal rights activist on the jury. I have no time for those that taunt, are cruel, or disrespect animals.

67 posted on 01/05/2008 7:03:45 AM PST by dragnet2
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To: DogandPonyShow

What they did is NOT irrelevant, it is totally part and parcel of what happened. Cause/ effect/ personal responsibility/ idiocy/ Darwin.


68 posted on 01/05/2008 7:07:26 AM PST by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: muawiyah

The BA level is typically obtained by the hospital ER personnel at the hospital. They check for drugs and booze to help them decide what drugs, if any, to give, and how intoxicated the injured party is.


69 posted on 01/05/2008 7:07:44 AM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: muawiyah
I think all the visitors to the zoo who are also members of PETA are there to check out the animals to see if they are ready for sexual intercourse.

That's based on an event in Seattle involving a bunch of PETA people and a stallion. One of the PETA guys died.

Given the environment, San Francisco, and their history, the Seattle event, my thoughts are certainly a place to start investigating this case.

Huh? What on earth does any of that have to do with this thread?

70 posted on 01/05/2008 7:09:49 AM PST by MizSterious (Deport all the illegals to sanctuary cities.)
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To: MizSterious
What does it have to do with this topic?

Well, some of us believe some of the "sources" are PETA people, and some of the posters are also PETA people.

PETA people are not trustworthy sources ~ they have "other interests" in the animals the rest of us don't understand, so we don't trust them.

71 posted on 01/05/2008 7:11:59 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Scotsman will be Free

Which answers the question ~ not the ambulance driver ~


72 posted on 01/05/2008 7:12:50 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: repinwi

“That would be the paramedics riding in the ambulance with the brothers.”

Wouldn’t they have gone in two separate ambulances?


73 posted on 01/05/2008 7:13:38 AM PST by Scotswife
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To: Bulldawg Fan

“When the tiger turned her attention to the ultimate victum, the two brothers took off and offered him no help.”

good point. How sad for the boy who was killed.
He found out too late those boys were not his friends afterall.


74 posted on 01/05/2008 7:15:12 AM PST by Scotswife
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To: nicmarlo

I used your links to point out it’s unclear how it happened. One fact is true, the tiger was able to get the zookeeper’s arm during feeding time. Was the caretaker too close? Let’s see.....animal in cage and human within arms(paws)reach. Yup, I’d say she was too close.


75 posted on 01/05/2008 7:18:35 AM PST by repinwi (Don't squat with your spurs on.)
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To: muawiyah
Think about this one ~ guy is injured by a tiger ~ bleeding all over the place ~ and someone checks his blood/alcohol level on the way to the hospital? That's called putting your priorities in place eh.

No where in the article does it state that “they” (I presume you mean the paramedics) tested blood in the ambulance. I’m not even sure that’s possible. It would however be SOP for the ER to take blood samples in order to type and cross match for giving them blood – which they probably needed given they were bleeding. And the ER docs would also need to know if they had alcohol and or drugs in their systems as that could impact the course of treatment.

Then, by the time he gets to the hospital for more professional treatment they've taken his cellphone, probably his wallet, found his keys ~ and there he is "naked to the world", laying on his back, and the zookeepers are making up stories about him.

My you paint a vivid picture. Are you perchance a personal injury lawyer? Related to John Edwards?
76 posted on 01/05/2008 7:19:04 AM PST by Caramelgal (Rely on the spirit and meaning of the teachings, not on the words or superficial interpretations)
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To: repinwi
So it's a "Here, hold muh catnip" moment.
77 posted on 01/05/2008 7:21:27 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: IMissPresidentReagan

” I’ve seen the terribly cruel actions humans are capable of doing to each other, not to mention to helpless animals”

but...there is such a thing as a “bad” animal.
As a child I was attacked by a “bad” german shepherd - unprovoked.

Animals are capable of possessing different temperaments.

Having said that - the zoo is responsible for restraining those animals no matter what the circumstances.

I’m surprised to learn there were no cameras in the zoo of such a large city - and I’m surprised it was open on Christmas day when there wouldn’t be enough staff around to walk around and properly monitor.

I’m sure the most common problem all zoos face are children or stupid/drunk teens who think it’s fun to tease animals.


78 posted on 01/05/2008 7:22:29 AM PST by Scotswife
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To: repinwi

They souhgt help at the Reptile House, where they were found Mark Garegos.


79 posted on 01/05/2008 7:22:29 AM PST by Senator Goldwater
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To: repinwi

You claimed that the caretaker reached through the bars and that was how the tiger got her.

Yet three stories show exactly the opposite and a state investigation revealed the ZOO was at fault, not the caretaker, who would have been at fault if she had been inside feeding the tiger (as that was against zoo procedures), or had used something other than the required feeding door, which she did not.

Three stories showed that the tiger reached through the bars and grabbed the trainer.

There’s absolutely nothing unclear about any of the stories...except your own fabricated story, which you insist, contrary to all facts, is right, because you say so.

Good grief. Do you always find it this hard to admit you made a false claim and have nothing but your feeeelings to back it up?


80 posted on 01/05/2008 7:23:46 AM PST by nicmarlo
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