Southern Strategy was it racist???

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[chevydude26]

so i'm posting on a forum arguing over how the southern strategy wasn't necessarily racist but that republican policies are race neutral so therefore it was just a consequence that racists would choose the race neutral party over the party of welfare...

but then somebody mentions kevin phillips and it seems his comments were pretty intentional...but I also find out he wrote anti-bush books and isn't a real conservative...how should I respong...i'm slystallion26 by the way

[avacado]

"so therefore it was just a consequence that racists would choose the race neutral party [Republican] over the party of welfare..."

Huh? The racist are in the Democratic Party!

Why would anyone vote for the Democratic Party?

DEMOCRATS: Supported slavery
REPUBLICANS: Abolished slavery

DEMOCRATS: Created Jim Crow Laws
REPUBLICANS: Abolished Jim Crow Laws

DEMOCRATS: Voted barely 50% to pass Civil Rights Act of 1964
REPUBLICANS: Voted over 80% to pass Civil Rights Act of 1964

DEMOCRATS: Continue enslavement via the narcotic welfare plantation for votes
REPUBLICANS: Color blind and judge people by individual merit and effort.

The Democratic Party has a horrific history and continue 
that record even today. 

[bronxboy]

The GOP did nothing racist...but there is no doubt Southern Dems left the Dem Party (Strom Thurmond) because of the civil rights legislation. Also, the South stopped voting Democratic because of it. As the years passed, the liberal Dems had little in common with Southerners who are mostly conservative. The South is not racist anymore than any other place I have lived...but decidedly more conservative.

[NeoCaveman]

There were only two reasons white southerners ever voted Democrat to begin with; segregation and the Civil War.

Time passed and the Dems dumped segregation leaving no reason for them to vote Democrat

[chevydude26]

i know that and pointed that out but according to them anything before 1964 doesn’t matter and they claim that the party platforms switched and reversed in the 60’s which is laughable...but i’m guessing its a myth created in pubic school

[heye2monn]

The southern strategy was based on a legitimate dislike of forced school busing, high crime, runaway welfare state and affirmative action (quotas). Just because the KKK also complains about those things dos not make all souterners racist.

What on earth is racist about being opposed to the atrocity called forced busing? The liberals cannot answer that question. Instead they try to mind read southern voters and assume they are racist. They see evidence of racism where there is none.

It is a vile, despicable act to accuse someone of racism without proof.

[avacado]

The only thing that switched in the 60s were the blacks from Republicans to Democrats once the Democrats became the Welfare caretakers, i.e. “free stuff.”

[Cringing Negativism Network]

Welcome to FR

[avacado]

You should take that list of what I posted and post it to your liberals and then watch them go nuts. ;-)

[reg45]

In 1863, Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves.

In 1933, Franklin Roosevelt bought them back.

[KC_Conspirator]

Liberals call Nixon's original "southern strategy" - courting typical democrat southern strongholds in the 60's rascist because Nixon and the GOP appealed to their bigotry. That is a total lie. Basically, Nixon appealed to southern family values after the hippie, hate-America, hard left took over democrat party in 1968.

So over a period of time, these southern family value type voters gravitated to the GOP. The democrap party routinely runs on San Francisco values, anti-family, hate Christians, gays, anti-guns, high taxes and it just did not sit well with southerners who live the opposite.

Recently, the democrat party has gotten away with faking like they have conservative values, but they don't.

[chevydude26]

great point ...i think that the perception and myth created is so generalized but it works for the race hustlers to demonize the republican party and its vile and disgusting...

[ClearCase_guy]

Excellent list. My two cents:

This is just a variant on the "Were the Nazis on the Left or the Right?" The question here is "Which party has a stronger history of racism: Democrats or Republicans?"

Opinions are divided, and people see what they want to see so these discussions usually just result in spinning of wheels.

My own opinion is that the National Socialists had an exclusively Collectivist viewpoint (group identity politics) and cared nothing for Individual rights, so I have to place them on the Left.

Similarly, the Democrats were pushing to keep blacks in their place (through gun control, among other things) from the time before the Civil War, up through their identity as Copperheads (sabotaging the war effort -- gee that sounds familiar) during the war and creating Jim Crow laws and the KKK after the Civil War. George Wallace was a Democrat, Bull Connor was a Democrat. When the Civil Rights Act of 1964 passed, the NAACP gave a special war to one congressman for his hard work: he was a Republican. Martin Luther King was a Republican. Jackie Robinson was a Republican.

But some folks will never buy any of this. Hurricane Katrina happened because Republican George Bush hates black people -- didn't you get the memo?

[marron]

People’s hearts change.

The Democratic Party has a horrific record on race, and its one they run away from every day. If I were Democrat I’d deny and run away from it too.

But once race was eliminated as a factor, many southernors simply joined the GOP because it was the stronger by far on national defense. If race is no longer an issue for you, and you’re anti-communist, and you’re strong on military defense, and you’re basically a constitutionalist, then there is little reason for you to remain in the Democratic Party.

Some of the old Dixie-crats left for the GOP, but most stayed behind. The Dems like to claim that the few crossed over because the GOP changed its position on race, but its the opposite. The GOP never changed, its right where it always was. The majority of the Dixiecrats stayed in the Democratic Party. The ones who left did so because they essentially adopted our view. Once race was no longer their defining issue, there were other much more important issues. Defense. Anti-communism. Constitutionalism.

[chevydude26]

exactly its so much more complicated than the race hustlers and the media have tried to paint it as, but if your in college you got these ponytail professors feeding you this garbage it just makes me angry

[humblegunner]

but then somebody mentions kevin phillips and it seems his comments were pretty intentional...

That Phillips guy knew how to capitalize.

He could write the most outrageous trash and it was viewed as valid.

Simply because he could write properly in English.

Amazing, huh?

[chevydude26]

what about kevin phillips comments ?? nixon’s strategist

“”From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don’t need any more than that... but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That’s where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats.”- Ken Philips, Nixon’s campaign strategist, in 1970”

i found out he’s not a real conservative...and I know when Mehlman apologized for the southern strategy he wasn’t even alive during that time

I posted your guys comments but they are still harping on phillips’ comments

[avacado]

Good points!

But as the origanl posters stated that liberals just say: "Oh but the parties switched in 1960. Republicans became Democrats and Democrats became Republicans."

It's libtard "logic" we are dealing with.

[hinckley buzzard]

Kevin Phillips wrote a book on the "Emerging Conservative Majority" or some such, but he was never much of a conservative. More a Nixonian centrist I'd say. The Southern Strategy played on the federalistic sentiments of "States' Rights" in the South and built on the cracking of the Solid South by Goldwater in 1964. The fact is that States' Rights in the South often had to do with resistence to racial integration, although it was not that alone.

Ironically, The GOP never had much of a chance to maximize the strategy because in 1968 George Wallace grabbed a bunch of southern votes, and by 1972 it was not that relevant as Nixon demolished Goerge McGovern nationwide.

[Wallace T.]

Generally speaking, it was the liberal and moderate Republicans who supported civil rights legislation in the 1950s and 1960s. The vast majority of Republican Congressmen hailed from New England or greater New England, the Northern tier of states from central New York to the coasts of Washington and Oregon that had been largely pioneered by New Englanders. By the 1950s, liberal and moderate Republicans had become dominant over the pre-New Deal conservatives of the Coolidge and Taft stripe. Conservative Republicans, notably Barry Goldwater, opposed the legislation, not on white supremacy grounds, as did George Wallace, Orval Faubus, or Ross Barnett, but on Constitutional ones, specifically with respect to states' rights, rights of association, and limitations on Federal power based on the Ninth and Tenth Amendments. Conservatives were more dominant in the West, excluding the coastal areas of Oregon, Washington, and northern California. National Review in that era was staunchly opposed to civil rights legislation.

The claim of Republicans as supporters of civil rights stems from the Reconstruction era. However, it must be remembered that had Lincoln not been assassinated, he likely would have opposed Reconstruction and permitted the Southern states to re-enter the Union merely upon a loyalty oath. Andrew Johnson, his successor, opposed it as well, but less successfully than Lincoln would have. The GOP abandoned this policy as a compromise to allow the election of Rutherford Hayes in 1876. Northern enthusiasm for bayonet rule of the South waned as its costs increased and the excesses of carpetbagger rule became better known. From 1877 onward, Republicans did little as resurgent Southern whites gradually disenfranchised blacks and reduced them to the status of subjects with few rights.