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Is Recession Preparing a New Breed of Survivalist? [Survival Today - an On going Thread #2]
May 05th,2008

Posted on 02/09/2009 12:36:11 AM PST by nw_arizona_granny

Yahoo ran an interesting article this morning indicating a rise in the number of survivalist communities cropping up around the country. I have been wondering myself how much of the recent energy crisis is causing people to do things like stockpile food and water, grow their own vegetables, etc. Could it be that there are many people out there stockpiling and their increased buying has caused food prices to increase? It’s an interesting theory, but I believe increased food prices have more to do with rising fuel prices as cost-to-market costs have increased and grocers are simply passing those increases along to the consumer. A recent stroll through the camping section of Wal-Mart did give me pause - what kinds of things are prudent to have on hand in the event of a worldwide shortage of food and/or fuel? Survivalist in Training

I’ve been interested in survival stories since I was a kid, which is funny considering I grew up in a city. Maybe that’s why the idea of living off the land appealed to me. My grandfather and I frequently took camping trips along the Blue Ridge Parkway and around the Smoky Mountains. Looking back, some of the best times we had were when we stayed at campgrounds without electricity hookups, because it forced us to use what we had to get by. My grandfather was well-prepared with a camp stove and lanterns (which ran off propane), and when the sun went to bed we usually did along with it. We played cards for entertainment, and in the absence of televisions, games, etc. we shared many great conversations. Survivalist in the Neighborhood


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To: DelaWhere

Wow. Thanks for the detailed information. I have to admit, I think I’ve held off getting cast iron cookware and planting roses in my yard due to the stories of how much work it is to take care of each of them. But, I’m beginning to think the rewards of each will outweigh any perceived difficulties. Maybe this will be the year I purchase both and start enjoying them!


261 posted on 02/09/2009 1:21:26 PM PST by Marmolade
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To: DelaWhere

You’re correct re: the drought having an effect on the market, but not across the board. It will drastically affect rice and cotton, but much less so fruits and nuts, and Salinas Valley truck crops.

My mention of the price trends was toward a different purpose: It is unlikely that an urban, or suburban vegie patch will reduce anybody’s costs, especially with impending urban water rationing.


262 posted on 02/09/2009 1:23:54 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

7 Mistakes of food storage
http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles/tate55.html

By Vicki Tate

If you are going to store food, make sure that the food you store is adequate for the need you and your family anticipate. This may not be as easy as to achieve as many people think, because the facts are that most people make serious errors when storing food—errors that will come back to haunt them when the food they’ve stored is the only thing that stands between them and their empty, dissatisfied, bellies.

There are seven common mistakes people make when storing food. They are:

1. Variety

Most people don’t have enough variety in their storage. 95% of the people I’ve worked with have only stored four basic items: wheat, milk, honey, and salt. Statistics show most of us won’t survive on such a diet for several reasons. a) Many people are allergic to wheat and may not be aware of it until they are eating it meal after meal. b) Wheat is too harsh for young children. They can tolerate it in small amounts but not as their main staple. c) We get tired of eating the same foods over and over and many times prefer to not eat, then to sample that particular food again. This is called appetite fatigue. Young children and older people are particularly susceptible to it. Store less wheat than is generally suggested and put the difference into a variety of other grains, particularly ones your family likes to eat. Also store a variety of beans, as this will add color, texture, and flavor. Variety is the key to a successful storage program. It is essential that you store flavorings such as tomato, bouillon, cheese, and onion.

Also, include a good supply of the spices you like to cook with. These flavorings and spices allow you to do many creative things with your grains and beans. Without them you are severely limited. One of the best suggestions I can give you is buy a good food storage cookbook, go through it, and see what your family would really eat. Notice the ingredients as you do it. This will help you more than anything else to know what items to store.

2. Extended staples

Never put all your eggs in one basket. Store dehydrated and/or freeze dried foods as well as home canned and “store bought” canned goods. Make sure you add cooking oil, shortening, baking powder, soda, yeast, and powdered eggs. You can’t cook even the most basic recipes without these items.

3. Vitamins

Vitamins are important, especially if you have children, since children do not store body reserves of nutrients as adults do. A good quality multi-vitamin and vitamin C are the most vital. Others might be added as your budget permits.

4. Quick and easy and “psychological foods”

Quick and easy foods help you through times when you are psychologically or physically unable to prepare your basic storage items. “No cook” foods such as freeze-dried are wonderful since they require little preparation, MREs (Meal Ready to Eat), such as many preparedness outlets carry, canned goods, etc. are also very good. “Psychological foods” are the goodies—Jello, pudding, candy, etc.—you should add to your storage. These may sound frivolous, but through the years I’ve talked with many people who have lived entirely on their storage for extended periods of time. Nearly all of them say these were the most helpful items in their storage to “normalize” their situations and make it more bearable. These are especially important if you have children.

5. Balance

Time and time again I’ve seen families buy all of their wheat, then buy all of another item and so on. Don’t do that. It’s important to keep well-balanced as you build your storage. Buy several items, rather than a large quantity of one item. If something happens and you have to live on your present storage, you’ll fare much better having a one month supply of a variety of items than a year’s supply of two or three items.

6. Containers

Always store your bulk foods in food storage containers. I have seen literally tons and tons of food thrown away because they were left in sacks, where they became highly susceptible to moisture, insects, and rodents. If you are using plastic buckets make sure they are lined with a food grade plastic liner available from companies that carry packaging supplies. Never use trash can liners as these are treated with pesticides. Don’t stack them too high. In an earthquake they may topple, the lids pop open, or they may crack. A better container is the #10 tin can which most preparedness companies use when they package their foods.

7. Use your storage

In all the years I’ve worked with preparedness one of the biggest problems I’ve seen is people storing food and not knowing what to do with it. It’s vital that you and your family become familiar with the things you are storing. You need to know how to prepare these foods. This is not something you want to have to learn under stress. Your family needs to be used to eating these foods. A stressful period is not a good time to totally change your diet. Get a good food storage cookbook and learn to use these foods! It’s better to find out the mistakes you’ll make now while there’s still time to make corrections.

It’s easy to take basic food storage and add the essentials that make it tasty, and it needs to be done. As I did the research for my cookbook, Cooking with Home Storage, I wanted to include recipes that gave help to families no matter what they had stored. As I put the material together it was fascinating to discover what the pioneers ate compared to the types of things we store. If you have stored only the basics, there’s very little you can do with it. By adding even just a few things, it greatly increases your options, and the prospect of your family surviving on it. As I studied how the pioneers lived and ate, my whole feeling for food storage changed. I realized our storage is what most of the world has always lived on. If it’s put together the right way we are returning to good basic food with a few goodies thrown in.

Vicki Tate is the author of the popular book, Cooking With Home Storage, available in the BHM General Store. Vicki also lectures on preparedness subjects. You can reach her by calling (435) 835-8283.


263 posted on 02/09/2009 1:24:34 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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To: ozarkgirl

LOL guess things are relative...
I am 6’3” and 250# so it seems light to me... The kids thought it made them grown-up so they didn’t complain.

Guess the reassurance and heft kind of made you feel invincible. (grin)

Seriously though, the weight on the bottom seemed to make it swing nicely and nobody ever complained...


264 posted on 02/09/2009 1:27:46 PM PST by DelaWhere (I'm a Klingon - Clinging to guns and Bible - Putting Country First - Preparing for the Worst!!!)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

How do you live without electricity
http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/evangelista73.html

By Anita Evangelista

It’s going to happen. Sooner or later, the power will go off, and you won’t know when (or if) it will come back on. This doesn’t have to be the work of evil-doers, either. It could be a sudden ice storm that brings down the power lines. It could result from other severe weather such as a tornado or hurricane, or from a disruption caused by faulty power company equipment, or even something as simple as a tree branch falling on your own personal segment of the grid. The effect is the same: everything electrical in your home stops working.

For most modern Americans, the loss of power means the complete loss of normalcy. Their lifestyle is so dependent upon the grid’s constancy that they do not know how to function without it. How do you cook a meal if your gas stove has an electric ignition? How do your children find their way to the bathroom at night if the light switches don’t work? How do you keep warm if your wood heat is moved through ducts by an electric fan? What do you do with a freezer full of expensive meat? How do you find out what is happening in your area with the TV and radio silent? What will you drink if your water comes from a system dependent on electrical pumps?

These are questions that both the Red Cross and Federal Emergency Management Agency are asking people to seriously consider. Both of these agencies have suggested that preparations for three days without power are prudent commonsense actions that all Americans should now undertake.

We’ll look at these issues in the broad context of living without access to the grid, whether you’ve chosen to separate from it or whether the choice is made for you by outside forces. What you can do now to mitigate your difficulties if the power goes off in the future, and what you can do then to help keep your situation under control, will be the focus of this article.

Remember, too, that an important principle in all preparations is that you maintain as much “normalcy” in your lifestyle as possible. For example, if television is part of your relaxation and unwinding process, don’t assume you can easily do without it. The closer you can keep your daily routines to “the norm” for your family, the more easily you can deal with power outages.

There are five primary areas that are easily disrupted if the power goes off. Each of these is critical to daily survival, as well, so when making preparations for emergencies keep these in mind. In order of importance, they are: light, water, cooking, heating/cooling, and communication.

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265 posted on 02/09/2009 1:31:56 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion

Glad to see another BHM (Backwoods Home Magazine) reader.

I find their magazine and site addicting.


266 posted on 02/09/2009 1:32:09 PM PST by DelaWhere (I'm a Klingon - Clinging to guns and Bible - Putting Country First - Preparing for the Worst!!!)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion

Please ping.


267 posted on 02/09/2009 1:33:09 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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To: DelaWhere

Their advice is so practical and sensible! A great resource!


268 posted on 02/09/2009 1:33:49 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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To: Marmolade
I would buy new. If an iron skillet or dutch oven isn't cured properly it can become pitted. I bought a new dutch oven recently and got the one without the little feet. Most of the new ones don't have the three feet. If it doesn't have the feet it can also be used inside a conventional oven and not only over a fire, woodstove, etc. Lodge makes a good quality dutch oven and other cast iron cooking pots and pans and they come preseasoned. The old style, with feet and the turned up lip on the lid, are better for campfires and inside woodstoves. The upturned lip on the lid holds ashes. The hot ashes heat from the top if you are cooking over a campfire. You put the dutch oven on hot coals/ashes and put hot ashes on the lid. The lip on the lid stops ashes from falling in your foot when you remove the lid. It depends on how you plan to use it but I would get one with an upturned lid for sure.

Here is a link to Lodge cast iron dutch ovens.

Lodge Dutch Oven

269 posted on 02/09/2009 1:34:05 PM PST by Melinda in TN
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To: nw_arizona_granny

Agree on all points!


270 posted on 02/09/2009 1:34:33 PM PST by hiredhand (Understand the CRA and why we're facing economic collapse - see my about page.)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

http://www.scribd.com/doc/11637909/Medicinal-Plants-A-Survival-Guide
Edible and Medicinal Plants, A Survival Guide

In a survival situation, plants can provide food and medicine. Their safe usage requires absolutely positive identification, knowing how to prepare them for eating, and knowing any dangerous properties they might have. Familiarity with botanical structures of plants and information on where they grow will make them easier to locate and identify.


271 posted on 02/09/2009 1:35:19 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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To: Free Vulcan

Thanks! I bet your grandpa and his siblings were survivors too!

My grandparents were that way. Big families meant plenty of farmhands. If you didn’t grow it you didn’t eat in my grandparent’s day. The great depression hit and they didn’t even notice. They passed farm life down to us but sadly my granddaughter doesn’t know one end of a hoe from the other. Oh well, she might get to learn. She lives on our farm about 500 feet from us and she’s old enough to learn now. My daughter was driving a tractor and helping put up hay by the time she was 12.


272 posted on 02/09/2009 1:40:16 PM PST by Melinda in TN
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To: Brad from Tennessee; CSM

Brad from Tennessee wants to be on your Dave Ramsey ping list! Oh and you might enjoy this thread, too.


273 posted on 02/09/2009 1:41:22 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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274 posted on 02/09/2009 1:43:37 PM PST by kimmie7 (***even deeper sigh***)
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To: CottonBall

On your own “about” page (click on your own name in one of your posts in this thread), at the top of the page is a link called “links” that lets you save FR pages and other links. It’s pretty handy!


275 posted on 02/09/2009 1:43:40 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion

Me too! Me too! ;-)


276 posted on 02/09/2009 1:44:06 PM PST by kimmie7 (***even deeper sigh***)
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To: Melinda in TN
Here's what Melinda is talking about:


277 posted on 02/09/2009 1:46:24 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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To: kimmie7; CSM

Please add kimmie7 to your Dave Ramsey ping list, and thanks!


278 posted on 02/09/2009 1:47:00 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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To: Marmolade

You’re welcome! Your question sparked a great conversation on here, it’s a good thing you asked!


279 posted on 02/09/2009 1:48:37 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

Note to myself: print this post.


280 posted on 02/09/2009 1:53:13 PM PST by nanetteclaret (Blessed Martyrs of Compiegne, Pray for Us!)
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