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Is Recession Preparing a New Breed of Survivalist? [Survival Today - an On going Thread #2]
May 05th,2008

Posted on 02/09/2009 12:36:11 AM PST by nw_arizona_granny

Yahoo ran an interesting article this morning indicating a rise in the number of survivalist communities cropping up around the country. I have been wondering myself how much of the recent energy crisis is causing people to do things like stockpile food and water, grow their own vegetables, etc. Could it be that there are many people out there stockpiling and their increased buying has caused food prices to increase? It’s an interesting theory, but I believe increased food prices have more to do with rising fuel prices as cost-to-market costs have increased and grocers are simply passing those increases along to the consumer. A recent stroll through the camping section of Wal-Mart did give me pause - what kinds of things are prudent to have on hand in the event of a worldwide shortage of food and/or fuel? Survivalist in Training

I’ve been interested in survival stories since I was a kid, which is funny considering I grew up in a city. Maybe that’s why the idea of living off the land appealed to me. My grandfather and I frequently took camping trips along the Blue Ridge Parkway and around the Smoky Mountains. Looking back, some of the best times we had were when we stayed at campgrounds without electricity hookups, because it forced us to use what we had to get by. My grandfather was well-prepared with a camp stove and lanterns (which ran off propane), and when the sun went to bed we usually did along with it. We played cards for entertainment, and in the absence of televisions, games, etc. we shared many great conversations. Survivalist in the Neighborhood


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http://recipes.kaboose.com/holidays/st-patricks-day-recipes/st-patricks-day-recipes.html

St. Patrick’s Day Recipes

Make this St. Patrick’s Day unforgettable with these Irish-inspired recipes. We’ve got Irish Soda Bread, Corned Beef and Cabbage, Traditional Irish Stew, Leprechaun Pie, Green Velvet Cupcakes and lots of great ideas for leftovers too!

St. Patrick’s Day Recipes Slideshow

St. Patrick’s Day Leftover Recipes Slideshow

Irish Soda Bread

Corned Beef & Cabbage

Oatmeal Lace Cookies and Cream

* Main Dishes
* Side Dishes
* Desserts
* Beverages
* Leftovers

Irish Fondue Casserole
Irish Fondue Casserole

Though it tastes like traditional fondue, this warm casserole is made with grated Irish cheese and topped with a mixture of eggs, milk and seasonings. The dish is creamy inside and crisp golden brown on the outside. read more

Roast Chicken with Bacon and Cabbage
Roast Chicken with Bacon and Cabbage

Bacon and cabbage, the traditional Irish combination, is excellent when teamed with chicken in this rustic main dish. It’s a good dish to make ahead if you’re hosting a St. Patrick’s Day dinner as the flavors get even better the next day. read more

Corned Beef Pizza
Corned Beef Pizza

This quick and easy pizza recipe is home baked and is an updated version of the traditional St. Patrick’s Day recipe of corned beef and cabbage dinner. read more

Traditional Shepherd’s Pie
Traditional Shepherd’s Pie

This classic shepherd’s pie recipe makes a hearty one-dish meal that has a topping of mashed potatoes over a rich meat filling. This quick and easy version can be on the dinner table in an hour. read more

Corned Beef
Corned Beef

Corned beef with an optional mustard-horseradish crust is easy and delicious for dinner. Corned beef brisket is also great for leftovers - see our corned beef recipes and leftover ideas read more

Quick Irish Stew

This dish uses chicken, potatoes, carrots, onion, mushrooms, mixed veggies and plenty of herbs and spices. It’s a great stew recipe that’s healthy and hearty. read more

Corned Beef Dinner
Corned Beef Dinner

Try the traditional St. Patrick’s Day boiled supper: corned beef, cabbage and potatoes. It makes for great leftovers, too! read more

Traditional Irish Stew

Lean lamb is layered with potatoes and other veggies and baked to fork-tenderness. A perfect main dish for a St. Patrick’s Day dinner, and a great way to introduce kids to a new meat. read more

Irish Chicken Stew with Dumplings

This hearty homemade stew includes shredded chicken, root vegetables and delicious dumplings. A great Irish Stew Recipe for a main dish. read more


4,361 posted on 03/11/2009 1:16:23 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: nw_arizona_granny
similar to stories I’ve been told..

BTW you reminded me of something... script..

does the term doogaloo fit..?

it was money issued on the company store , paid to workers, and they spent it to buy groceries..only at the company store..

How do you think this generation would adapt to such change/

4,362 posted on 03/11/2009 1:19:00 PM PDT by Eagle50AE (Pray for our Armed Forces.)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

OMG! I have to show my 16 year old daughter this post. That child was convinced that the apocalypse would come the day after Obama was elected. I bought her a big book “Country Living and Know How: Everything You Need to Know About Living Off the Land”. But thats not good enough for her, she wants to learn how to shoot and hunt. oh boy


4,363 posted on 03/11/2009 1:24:03 PM PDT by brwnsuga (Proud, Black, Sexy Conservative!!! I am no LEMMING!)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

Hope you don’t mind that I cut and copied your post for my daughter.


4,364 posted on 03/11/2009 1:25:26 PM PDT by brwnsuga (Proud, Black, Sexy Conservative!!! I am no LEMMING!)
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1. LUCK OF THE IRISH DESSERT SQUARES
Posted by: “luvmygroops”

From the Hershey’s website...

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LUCK OF THE IRISH DESSERT SQUARES

Ingredients:
* CHOCOLATE CRUMB CRUST(recipe follows)
* 1 package (3 oz.) cream cheese, softened
* 1/2 cup sugar
* 1/2 cup HERSHEY’S Cocoa
* 1/4 cup milk
* 5 cups frozen non-dairy whipped topping, thawed (about 12 oz.), divided
* 1/4 to 1/2 teaspoon peppermint extract
* Green food color
* Mint leaves(optional)
Directions:
1. Prepare CHOCOLATE CRUMB CRUST.

2. Beat cream cheese in medium bowl until fluffy. Gradually add sugar, beating until well blended. Add cocoa alternately with milk, beating until smooth. Gradually fold in 3 cups whipped topping; spoon mixture over crumb crust.

3. Stir together remaining 2 cups whipped topping, peppermint extract and food color in small bowl; spread over chocolate layer. Cover; refrigerate about 6 hours or until set. Cut into squares. Garnish with mint leaves, if desired. Cover; refrigerate leftover dessert. 6 to 9 servings.

CHOCOLATE CRUMB CRUST: Combine 1 cup graham cracker crumbs, 1/4 cup sugar, 1/4 cup HERSHEY’S Cocoa and 5 tablespoons melted butter or margarine in small bowl; stir until well blended. Press mixture onto bottom of 9-inch square pan.

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Rhonda G in Missouri
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2a. Irish Soda Bread
Posted by: “luvmygroops”

From the Betty Crocker website...

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Irish Soda Bread

Whether or not you’re Irish, this classic quick bread recipe brings great taste into your kitchen.
Prep Time:10 min
Start to Finish:55 min
Makes:1 loaf (14 slices)

3 tablespoons butter or margarine, softened
2 1/2 cups Gold Medal® all-purpose flour
2 tablespoons sugar
1 teaspoon baking soda
1 teaspoon baking powder
1/2 teaspoon salt
1/3 cup raisins, if desired
3/4 cup buttermilk

Heat oven to 375ºF. Grease cookie sheet.

Cut butter into flour, sugar, baking soda, baking powder and salt in large bowl, using pastry blender or crisscrossing 2 knives, until mixture resembles fine crumbs. Stir in raisins and just enough buttermilk so dough leaves side of bowl.

Turn dough onto lightly floured surface. Knead 1 to 2 minutes or until smooth. Shape into round loaf, about 6 1/2 inches in diameter. Place on cookie sheet. Cut an X shape about 1/2 inch deep through loaf with floured knife.

Bake 35 to 45 minutes or until golden brown. Brush with butter or margarine, softened, if desired.

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Rhonda G in Missouri
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3. Guinness® Corned Beef
Posted by: “luvmygroops”

From the AllRecipes.com website...

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Guinness® Corned Beef

SUBMITTED BY: SHAMELESS

SUBMITTED BY: SHAMELESS PHOTO BY:Em
“I discovered this tasty St. Patrick’s day treat when I attended an Irish Rovers Concert. My family and friend insist that it is a staple at get togethers any time of the year. Roast this Corned Beef slowly at a low setting for a melt in your mouth delight. The aroma is fantastic!”
PREP TIME 20 Min
COOK TIME 2 Hrs 30 Min
READY IN 2 Hrs 50 Min

INGREDIENTS (Nutrition)
* 4 pounds corned beef brisket
* 1 cup brown sugar
* 1 (12 fluid ounce) can or bottle Irish stout beer (e.g. Guinness®)
DIRECTIONS
1. Preheat oven to 300 degrees F (150 degrees C). Rinse the beef completely and pat dry.
2. Place the brisket on rack in a roasting pan or Dutch oven. Rub the brown sugar on the corned beef to coat entire beef, including the bottom. Pour the bottle of stout beer around, and gently over the beef to wet the sugar.
3. Cover, and place in preheated oven. Bake for 2 1/2 hours. Allow to rest 5 minutes before slicing.
FOOTNOTES
* Editor’s Note
* During the last hour, you may put vegetables in the roasting pan as well. Try a wedge of cabbage, new potatoes, onion, carrots, etc. You may need to add a little more beer with your vegetables.
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Rhonda G in Missouri

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4. Sauteed Kale with Irish Bacon
Posted by: “luvmygroops”

From the FoodNetwork.com website...

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Sauteed Kale with Irish Bacon

Recipe courtesy Emeril Lagasse, 2003
Show: Emeril LiveEpisode: An Irish St. Patrick’s Day

Cook Time
15 min
* Level
Easy
* Yield
4 servings

Ingredients
* 6 rashers Irish bacon, chopped
* 2 small spring onions, chopped
* 2 cloves garlic, chopped
* 1 1/2 pounds kale, tough stems removed, leaves rinsed well and left damp, coarsely chopped
* 2 tablespoons Irish butter
* 1/2 cup chicken stock
* 1/4 cup heavy cream
* 1 teaspoon fresh lemon juice
* Salt and freshly ground black pepper
Directions
In a large saute pan, cook the bacon over medium-high heat until crisp. Remove with a slotted spoon and drain on paper towels. Drain off all but 2 tablespoons of fat from the pan.
Return the pan to medium-high heat. Add the butter and when melted, add the onions and garlic, and cook, stirring, until soft, 3 minutes. Add the damp kale and stir to combine. Add the stock and stir. Cover, reduce the heat to medium-low, and cook, stirring occasionally, until the kale is tender, about 5 minutes. Uncover, add the cream and lemon juice, and increase the heat to medium-high. Cook, stirring occasionally, until most of the liquid has evaporated and the kale is very tender. Add the bacon and adjust the seasoning, to taste.
Serve hot.
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Rhonda G in Missouri

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5. Luscious Lemon Fruit Dip
Posted by: “Dorie” didipark72

Luscious Lemon Fruit Dip

2 C. sugar
2/3 C. cornstarch
1 C. cold water
4 eggs beaten
2/3 C. lemon juice
2 t. vanilla extract
2 C. heavy whipping cream whipped
assorted fresh fruit

In a large heavy saucepan combine the sugar and cornstarch. Gradually whisk in water until smooth. Cook and stir over medium high heat until thickened and bubbly. Reduce heat, cook and stir 2 minutes longer. Remove from the heat.
Stir a small amount of hot mixture into eggs; return all to the pan, stirring constantly. Bring to a gentle boil; cook and stir 2 minutes longer . Remove from the heat. Gently stir in lemon juice and vanilla.
Transfer to a bowl. Cool to room temperature without stirring. Cover surface of mixture with waxed paper; refrigerate until cooled. Fold in whipped cream. Serve with fresh fruit.

Dorie
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DoriesRecipeBox/

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6. Grilled Fish Steaks
Posted by: “Dorie”

Grilled Fish Steaks

1 clove garlic, minced
6 tablespoons olive oil
1 teaspoon dried basil
1 teaspoon salt
1 teaspoon ground black pepper
1 tablespoon fresh lemon juice
1 tablespoon chopped fresh parsley
2 (6 ounce) fillets halibut

In a stainless steel or glass bowl, combine garlic, olive oil, basil, salt, pepper, lemon juice, and parsley.
Place the halibut filets in a shallow glass dish or a resealable plastic bag, and pour the marinade over the fish. Cover or seal and place in the refrigerator for 1 hour, turning occasionally.
Preheat an outdoor grill for high heat and lightly oil grate. Set grate 4 inches from the heat.
Remove halibut filets from marinade and drain off the excess. Grill filets 5 minutes per side or until fish is done when easily flaked with a fork.

Dorie
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RecipeFriendsAndCooks/

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7a. Green Curry Lamb Balls
Posted by: “Dorie”

Green Curry Lamb Balls

1/2 pound ground lamb
1/2 cup bread crumbs
steak seasoning to taste
1 (10 ounce) can coconut milk
1 1/2 tablespoons green curry paste

In a medium bowl, mix together the ground lamb, bread crumbs and steak seasoning until well blended. Form into meatballs about 1 inch in diameter. Heat a greased skillet over medium-high heat and fry the lamb balls until they are a bit black and crusty, about 5 minutes. Remove balls from pan and set aside.
Toss the curry paste into the hot skillet and fry for about a minutes. Then pour in the entire can of coconut milk and lower the heat. Let the mixture simmer, stirring frequently for 5 to 10 minutes. Serve the meatballs and curry sauce over rice.

Dorie
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EasyRecipesForAll/


To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SimpleMeals/


4,365 posted on 03/11/2009 1:27:44 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: brwnsuga

Welcome to the thread, we are glad you found us.

Join in, post or ask questions, Dela Where is up to date on canning, as you will see throughout this thread, and note that he is off the thread, his daughter is in the hospital.

There are many on the thread, sharing their knowledge, so do join in and your daughter is welcome also.

We all had to learn sometime.

About the 2nd post on this thread is a link to Thread #1, it has 10,000 posts in it.


4,366 posted on 03/11/2009 1:37:12 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: brwnsuga

Hope you don’t mind that I cut and copied your post for my daughter.<<<

Not at all, in fact I am honored that you think it is worth copying, that is the purpose of the thread, sharing what we should know, or LOL, forgot.


4,367 posted on 03/11/2009 1:39:11 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

http://ferfal.blogspot.com/2009/03/reply-teotwawki-vs-reality-based-s.html

TUESDAY, MARCH 10, 2009
Reply: TEOTWAWKI [The End Of The World As We Know It] vs Reality Based S&P
Blackeagle said...
DocOutlands:
“I figure if you can go about your normal routines on a daily basis and not realize nukes fell/zombies arose/the Rapture occurred/aliens invaded/bird flu killed everyone, then you’ve done your job.”

While I’m sure your tongue was firmly in cheek when you wrote this, I think it illustrates what I’m talking about. A lot of folks seem to focus on apocalyptic scenarios to the exclusion of more likely possibilities. By definition, the apocalypse doesn’t happen very often. Natural disasters and economic crises happen all the time, and are happening around the world right this very moment.

This focus on TEOTWAWKI scenarios tends to focus people on a particular type of solution: a fortified retreat out in the boonies somewhere. If you believe that cities will turn into burned out wrecks ruled over by gangs of murdering cannibal looters, there’s not much point in building up a six month food supply in the basement of your suburban home. In turn, this kind of all or nothing attitude seems to discourage a lot of people from making preparations right now and lead them towards ‘armchair survivalism’. They have detailed plans for the fortified retreat they’re going to build someday, but don’t have well balanced preparations in case a hurricane or an earthquake hits today.

For folks that do have a well stocked rural retreat, on the other hand, there seems to be a tendency to believe, “If I’m prepared for the apocalypse, I’m prepared for anything.” As FerFAL has pointed out in other posts, in a situation like the one in Argentina living out in the countryside can be more dangerous than living in the city. This is a big part of what really clicked with me when I read his older posts because it tallies very well with what I’ve read about the horrible things that have happened to people on isolated farms in South Africa and Zimbabwe (both recently and during the Bush War when it was Rhodesia). An economic collapse is not going to be a great time to be a small farmer.

This focus on TEOTWAWKI also tends to get people who are interested in preparedness painted as tin foil hat types. Gabe Suarez recently threatened to get rid of the Disaster Preparedness subforum of Warriortalk “because of all the doom-gloom, we’re all going to die, negativism”. Doug Ritter has a big disclaimer on the Equipped to Survive Natural Disasters & Large-Scale Emergencies subforum prohibiting any discussion of “economics, politics, or sociology”. This sort of thing tends to create a big gulf in places to talk about preparedness online. There are places like the ones I’ve mentioned where talk doesn’t go much beyond a bug-out-bag or 72 hour kit, and there are places to discuss building a fortified retreat to survive the apocalypse, but there’s a dearth of places to discuss something in between. The bug out bag places discourage discussing longer term planning to keep the TEOTWAWKI folks away and the TEOTWAWKI folks tend to be rather dismissive of anyone who isn’t interested in preparing for the apocalypse. That’s a bit part of why I was so excited to read FerFAL’s stuff. It really seems to fit right in that middle ground I was looking for.

March 10, 2009 10:24 AM

Thanks Blackeagle for the well articulated response.
I’m posting it here too because I feel the same way, even thought sometimes I can’t put it into words as well as you did.
Preparing for TEOTWAWKI, scenarios where civilization as we know it no longer exists, is very different from preparing for what happens all the time and will continue happening through history.
Some think that by preparing for the worst possible scenario you cover everything. Not so.
What’s the point of investing in real estate or valuing the proximity for good schools and hospitals if you think that it will all soon cease to exist?
Why prepare financially? Why expect to keep on needing to pay taxes, medical and insurance, and worry about having money to do so?
The two situations have a few things in common but big essential differences.
I don’t dare say what will happen or not. If I had that power I’d be buying lots of lottery tickets.
But I do prefer to plan for something that, event though bad, is well within the odds of possibility and has already happened before.

FerFAL


4,368 posted on 03/11/2009 1:57:03 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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To: Eagle50AE

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doogaloo<<<

A new word to me. LOL

Yes, it fits, except that the stores in Ira’s town were not “company stores”, they were the actual small town stores, that had managed to keep open.

Same principal.

It would still work in small towns, not in the cities.

The older people would understand, but I think the young would not, or not until they were good and hungry.

There are collectors for script and local coins/tokens that have been used over the years for various purposes.

As I understand it several towns have ‘printed’ their own money.

Our friend google, says it is happening in several countries today: [27 million links]#

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4,369 posted on 03/11/2009 2:00:14 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

WEDNESDAY, MARCH 11, 2009
Demonstration against Crime, Wednesday 18
Guys in Argentina, check the Spanish blog for more details on this.
http://supervivienteurbano.blogspot.com/

Two more dead today in B[ueno]s A[ire]s, cop shot in the face and another poor guy that was kidnapped showed up in his car with his throat slit open.

The situation is unbearable, I’m glad the protest is happening, I’ll be there with some friends.

Remember, once a relative is dead everyone wants to protest, but its kind of too late.


Here’s a rough translation of that page:

WEDNESDAY, MARCH 11, 2009

Argentineans: March against Insecurity

It is next Wednesday 18 of February. There I hope to see everyone. Susana Giménez has my admiration to have had a good turnout (although its program seems to me a total waste of time) but she represents me as an ordinary citizen.

Moria Casan? The truth that does not please me for anything. It does not matter. The subject is not the one who had the minute of TV to make the order. The subject is to make hear the reclamation to alive voice:

BRUTAL INSECURITY

It is not possible for us to bear, living this way. Still idiots exist who go to Wikipedia and think that the crime in Versus Ace is like in New York… please. They are killing all of us one by one, every day tens of Argentineans in Buenos Aires die. People, when they violate or they kill one of your loved ones it is too late.

When it happens to them, they want to organize a march but they cannot turn back the clock and change what happened. I hope to see this same lady heading the march, it did since it in France by Ingrid Betancourt. I hope they see that a million Argentineans show the same determination that the French citizens demonstrated.

To see if we are all worried about the Argentineans who die every day, by a million honest Argentineans who live behind gates and fences so that the delinquent thousands can run free. I would not like to think that miss ck thinks that a French citizens like being held hostage merits more attention than dozens of assassinated Argentine citizens experience on a daily basis.

FerFAL

Posted by FerFAL AT 8:10 A.M.
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Labels: delinquency, insecurity


4,370 posted on 03/11/2009 2:10:31 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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To: All; Velveeta; milford421; Calpernia; PGalt; TenthAmendmentChampion; DelaWhere

Why am I posting this here, to alert you as to what is going on and this is the first that I have heard of it.

I have the Kingman, Az Police Scanner on, they do not appear to have the big gang type problems, a pretty quiet scanner, normal small town crime.

And then a few minutes ago, an Officer was asked to check a vehicle, that was /appeared to be the same one spotted by someone living in the area, last week, when they fired shots at the train as it went by and hit the brake line on the train.

I know the spot they went to, and it is not far out of Kingman, on a curve, and slow enough that that a good shooter could aim at a brake line and hit it.

In that area, the trains are still slow, are only a couple miles out of town and have not picked up speed for the runs east and west.

We need to be ever alert, there is no end to the evilness out there and it is going to happen.

Shooting trains is the new sport:

http://www.google.com/search?q=+shots+fired+at+train&btnG=Search&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&sa=2&cts=1236805238670

Several History reports and Kingman:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=GqB&q=shots+fired+at+train+kingman+arizona&btnG=Search&cts=1236809836102

UTU: News
Cops seek men who shot at BNSF train. KINGMAN, Ariz. ... to be a gun at a train traveling from Los Angeles to Texas and fired. ... those trains,” said Lena Kent, BNSF director of public affairs for Arizona, California, Utah and Nevada. ...
www.utu.org/worksite/print_news.cfm?ArticleID=46050 - 3k - Cached - Similar pages

Kingman Daily Miner - Railroad seeking info in train shooting
Feb 26, 2009 ... KINGMAN - It certainly wasn’t the “Great Train Robbery,” but it could have ended ... to be a gun at a train traveling from Los Angeles to Texas and fired. ... BNSF director of public affairs for Arizona, California, Utah and Nevada. ... So should the shooter who shot at my SUV while I was driving on ...
www.kingmandailyminer.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&SubSectionID=1&ArticleID=30002&TM=84899.67 - 54k - Cached - Similar pages

For Dela Where:

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Carlo J. Ginobile, 451st Bomb Group, 726th Bomb Squadron
They told us we were in Kingman, Arizona but all you could see was a general store with a couple ... CG: It was very dirty because they had coal-fired boilers on the trains, ... They were shot out by surprise, you were to aim and shoot, ...
oralhistory.rutgers.edu/Interviews/ginobile_carlo.html - 145k - Cached - Similar pages

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Trigg Coounty, Ky Veterans: Lest We Forget. - Google Books Result
by Trigg Co. Historical Society, Turner ... - 2002 - History
He took additional aerial gunnery training at Kingman, AZ; Lake City, UT; ... singing what was then his favorite song, /’// Take The Night Train To Memphis. ...
books.google.com/books?isbn=1563118378...

[Kingman is named for an early railroad man, I see Kansas also has a town/county named Kingman...granny]


4,371 posted on 03/11/2009 3:27:50 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion

But I do prefer to plan for something that, event though bad, is well within the odds of possibility and has already happened before.

FerFAL<<<

He is right, read and know what to do in a nuclear attack, or as doctor Bill says, “if you are not killed in the blast, or a building falls on you, the go and take a shower with laundry soap and do not bring you contaminated clothes in the house.

Bag them and discard them”.

Seal the nuclear dust out of a room and wait for the next stage.

I wonder how many of the people running from the WTC on 9-11 wished they had had a pair of walking shoes in their desk?

Having working knowledge in your brain, will take you a long ways.


4,372 posted on 03/11/2009 3:39:15 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion

To see if we are all worried about the Argentineans who die every day, by a million honest Argentineans who live behind gates and fences so that the delinquent thousands can run free. I would not like to think that miss ck thinks that a French citizens like being held hostage merits more attention than dozens of assassinated Argentine citizens experience on a daily basis.

FerFAL<<<

He is right, most stick their heads in the sand and ignore the deaths all around them.


4,373 posted on 03/11/2009 3:42:46 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion

In checking to see if I had missed anyone’s post, it struck me as fitting that my post on shooting trains, would come right after your for FerFal.

What is there about the 11th of the month, Kingman is going nuts at 3/4 pm on a Wednesday, shots fired, motorcycle stolen and he out ran the cops on it.

Kids passing out at the school, not a clue as to why.


4,374 posted on 03/11/2009 3:46:57 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: All

Cheesy, Crunchy, Goldfish Chowder

my kids went back for seconds and thirds! Serves 4

4 c water
2 chicken bouillon cubes
2 c diced potatoes
1 c diced onion
1 bunch fresh broccoli, chopped
2 (10.5 oz) cans of cream of chicken soup
1 lb cheddar cheese, grated
Goldfish crackers, to taste

Put water, bouillon cubes, prepared potatoes, onion and broccoli
into soup pot. Cook over medium heat, stirring occasionally, for
about 30 minutes. Add cream of chicken and grated cheese and let
simmer for 15 minutes. Ladle into serving bowls and top each with
a handful of goldfish crackers.

The kids picked this recipe out from one of their cookbooks. This
recipe comes from Super Suppers and Desserts! from Kids Cooking
Club (Scholastic)

Nicole lovin_recipes@yahoo.com


I received
this recipe from Brennan’s Restaurant in New Orleans after my
husband and I enjoyed this wonderful dessert for ourselves.

Brennan’s Bananas Foster - Serves 4

1/4 cup (1/2 stick) butter
1/2 teaspoon cinnamon
1/4 cup white rum
4 bananas, cut in half lengthwise, then halved
1 cup brown sugar
1/4 cup banana liqueur
4 scoops vanilla ice cream

Combine the butter, sugar and cinnamon in a flambe pan or skillet.
Place the pan over low heat either on an alcohol burner or on top
of the stove and cook, stirring until the sugar dissolves. Stir in
the banana liqueur, then place the bananas in the pan. When the
banana sections soften and begin to brown, carefully add the rum.
Continue to cook the sauce until the rum is hot, then tip the pan
slightly to ignite the rum. When the flames subside, lift the
bananas out of the pan and place four pieces over each portion of
ice cream. Generously spoon warm sauce over the top of the ice
cream and serve immediately.

Now for a little history on the creation of this glorious dessert:

In the 1950’s, New Orleans was the major port of entry for bananas
shipped from Central and South America. Owen Edward Brennan
challenged his talented chef, Paul Blange, to include bananas in a
new culinary creation - Owen’s way of promoting the imported
fruit. Simultaneously, Holiday Magazine had asked Owen to provide
a new recipe to appear in a feature article on Brannan’s.

In 1951, Chef Paul created Bananas Foster. The scrumptious dessert
was named for Richard Foster, who, as chairman, served with Owen
on the New Orleans Crime Commission, a civic effort to clean up
the French Quarter. Richard Foster, owner of the Foster Awning
Company, was a frequent customer of Brennan’s and a very good
friend of Owen.

Little did anyone realize that Bananas Foster would become an
international favorite and is the most requested item on the
restaurant’s menu. Thirty-five thousand pounds of bananas are
flamed each year at Brennan’s in the preparation of its
world-famous dessert. Enjoy.

silverfork


Chicken Comfort Soup

2 quarts water
8 chicken bouillon cubes
6 1/2 cups uncooked wide egg noodles
2 cans cream of chicken soup
3 c cubed, cooked chicken
1 c sour cream
Minced fresh parsley, optional

In a large (4 quart) pan, bring water and bouillon to a boil. Add
noodles; cook, uncovered, ‘til tender, about 10 minutes. Do not
drain. Add soup and chicken; heat thoroughly. Remove from heat;
stir in sour cream. Sprinkle with parsley.

[I didn’t make it with the sour cream, but it is good with out it, so must be better with it...Made it many times, sometimes added corn or peas.....granny]


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4,375 posted on 03/11/2009 4:00:23 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: All

There are a few good recipes in “Edible and Useful Plants of California” By Charlotte Bringle Clarke and so does “The Wild Vegetarian Cookbook” By Steve Brill

Here are some random recipes;

Try an omelet with sorrel cooked in butter with shallots. Supposed to make a good quiche, too.

Mince up Sorrel, Parsley, garlic and butter and use it to fill a sandwich.

Sorrel is supposed to combine best with “Butter, chicken, cream, eggs, goose, lamb, leek, pork, potato, salmon, scallion, shad, shallot, sour cream, sweetbreads, veal.” from Quirk Books: www.quirkbooks.com

Russians have a complicated soup called Botvin`ya

A soup needing boiled red fish on the side (salmon, sturgeon, stellate sturgeon), and crushed ice.

The ingredients: leafy tops of young beet, beetroots, oxalate sorrel, green onions, dill, cucumbers, two types of kvas, then some mustard, lemon juice and horse-radish as spices. Boil 1/4 pound of sorrel in salted water, wear through a sieve, add 2 pounds of boiled and finely chopped spinach, 2 cucumbers cut in small cubes, dill, chopped spring onions, salt, sugar. Dilute with kvass and put in a fridge. Before serving, add 2 pounds of boiled fresh salmon. Separately serve ground horseradish (if you buy it ready, choose the white one, not red).

Kvass sold, dry and oversweet, at Russian food shops is placed in a wide pan, sprinkled with lemon juice and leave open for a couple of hours to gas out/evaporate to the right consistency.

You have to eat it with two spoons and a fork: the fork is used to take the fish, the first spoon to sip the soup and the second spoon to put ice into the soup, so it always stays cold. Botvin’ya is eaten with fresh rye bread

That all makes their pie look easy;
http://palachinka.blogspot.com/2008/04/sorrel-pie-zeljanica.html

The red Jamacan Sorrel is dried and used to made a drink of, like lemonade. Lots of the local Jamacan places sell it, tho it’s a bit oversweet to me. Try just boiling some and straining it to make your own Sorrel-ade. Won’t have the pretty red color but Rumex is plenty sour enough to tart it up.

There are a couple of traditional sauces in England and Germany

The (I think I even saw it on Andrew Zimmern, over fish pie, in London) English Green-sauce seemed to have made with sorrel, vinegar, and sugar, to go with roasts or potatoes, much like the Germans.
Frankfurt style Grune Sose is more complex, made from hard-boiled eggs, oil (but not olive oil), vinegar, salt, and generous amount of seven fresh herbs, namely borage, sorrel, cress, chervil, chives, parsley, and salad burnet. Variants, often due to seasonal availability include dill, lovage, lemon balm and even spinach or basil. In more frugal times, daisy leaves, broad plantain leaves, and dandelion leaves were also used. You can add, buttermilk, sour cream or yogurt to reduce the oil content of the sauce. Usually served on boiled potatoes, with either hard-boiled eggs or roasted beef brisket. Good with hard apple cider.

The French have a well-known soup;
http://becksposhnosh.blogspot.com/2005/08/looks-like-sludge-taken-from-shreks.html

Deserts
http://www.dreamscat.com/archive/sorrel-pie-4014.htm

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Food/sorrelpie.html

A forager’s contribution;
http://www.goinglocal-info.com/my_weblog/files/vince_fischers_sheep_sorrel_pie.pdf

A nice list from Cooks.cim
http://www.cooks.com/rec/search/0,1-0,sorrel,FF.html

Oh Well

Done rambling aimlessly while on codien. Now I am hungry, Esp after looking at that Sorrel, Feta and Filo pie.


Sunflower seeds or whole grain cereal mixes are good. Niacin is very important but some sources are not digestible to us like corn. Native indians were able to release it by grinding the corn on limestone rock..I guess it changed the bonding effect. I believe that milk thistle is a great thing. A friend took it after a bout with hepatitus and seemed alot healthier after taking it for a few months.
Including some whole foods or foods with the living enzymes also seems to help.

One clue a diet is doing better is many times you will see a difference in the hair after the diet is better. I was suprised to see my friends hair loose some of its gray and become dark again. Though not all of it lost the gray you could see he just looked healthier.


Sam Thayer’s strategy of cutting a hole in the side of a milk jug and
sticking the top through the hole and shaking is a real good idea. The pollen gives
a nice yellow color to rolls, batter, focaccia, etc. Those jugs would make a
good collector for maple sap as well. Maple sugar season is starting in Maine
now. Get out your spiles, drill, and jugs!

They are talking about Cattail pollen, but this jug idea would be a good way to collect flower seeds, granny]


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4,376 posted on 03/11/2009 4:15:39 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

Note on the post on or about the 11th.. 2 days before and after the full moon. watch out...

Granny I mostly misspelled it .. its “Dugaloo” or Doogaloo ,it was coin scrip ..

may be regional to the smoky mtns..

reference from ghost town tremont ,tenn

” Tremont became a lumber mill town in 1927 about the time that Elkmont was closing down. Logs were passed through town on RR from Lynn Camp Prong and Thunderhead Prong. At one time there was a school, church, and theatre (in the same building), Post Office/General Store, Machine shop for the locomotives, Dr. Bruce Montgomery’s Doctors Office, several homes and a Hotel. The Hotel was promoted, after the demise of the town, as a Resort Hotel. The General Store was like many company stores dealing mainly in company scrip called “dugaloo” or “doogaloo”. When the timber ran out so did the town. The National Park Service bought out the area in the 30’s.”

and from NC :
“ At the Commissary the employees could buy soap, brooms, kerosene, matches, Velvet brand smoking tobacco and pipes for smoking, candy, school supplies such as pencils and tablets, fabric, thread, buttons, bib overalls, socks, shoe laces, and dry goods, canned food items such as dried beans and salt pork, flour, corn meal, fresh produce, hardware and other necessaries for the logger and his family. The loggers could charge such items against their wages by using a line of credit called a “scrip”, sometimes called a dugaloo or doogaloo. The charges were taken directly out of the workers pay checks.”

what is unnerving is do a scroogle for scrip or scrip great depression and there is a lot of activity...barter/scrip is actually starting again by the way I read it... seriously going to double my efforts..


4,377 posted on 03/11/2009 5:14:26 PM PDT by Eagle50AE (Pray for our Armed Forces.)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

Chuck Norris

On Glenn Beck’s radio show last week, I quipped in response to our wayward federal government, “I may run for president of Texas.”

That need may be a reality sooner than we think. If not me, someone someday may again be running for president of the Lone Star state, if the state of the union continues to turn into the enemy of the state.

From the East Coast to the “Left Coast,” America seems to be moving further and further from its founders’ vision and government.

George Washington advised, “The great rule of conduct in regard to foreign nations is in extending our commercial relations [and] having with them as little political connection as possible.” Yet the Obama administration just pledged $900 million in U.S. taxpayer-funded aid to Hamas-controlled Gaza and Mahmoud Abbas’ Palestinian Authority.

Thomas Jefferson counseled us, “We must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt.” Yet the Feds have just skyrocketed our national deficit and debt by trillions of dollars, and it plans much more fiscal expansion with few expectations of resistance. Despite that George Washington admonished, “To contract new debts is not the way to pay for old ones,” we keep borrowing and bailing, while we watch the stock market plunge further every time we do.

Patrick Henry taught that, “Our Constitution is … an instrument for its people to restrain the government.” Yet our Congress and president stampede that founding document, overlook its explicitness and manipulate its words to abandon a balance of power and accommodate their own desires, partisan politics and runaway spending.

John Adams declared that, “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people.” Yet we’ve bastardized the First Amendment, reinterpreted America’s religious history and secularized our society until we ooze skepticism and circumvent religion on every level of public and private life.

How much more will Americans take? When will enough be enough? And, when that time comes, will our leaders finally listen or will history need to record a second American Revolution? We the people have the authority according to America’s Declaration of Independence, which states:

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience has shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
When I appeared on Glenn Beck’s radio show, he told me that someone had asked him, “Do you really believe that there is going to be trouble in the future?” And he answered, “If this country starts to spiral out of control and Mexico melts down or whatever, if it really starts to spiral out of control, before America allows a country to become a totalitarian country (which it would have under I think the Republicans as well in this situation; they were taking us to the same place, just slower), Americans won’t stand for it. There will be parts of the country that will rise up.” Then Glenn asked me and his listening audience, “And where’s that going to come from?” He answered his own question, “Texas, it’s going to come from Texas. Do you agree with that Chuck?” I replied, “Oh yeah!” Definitely.

It was these types of thoughts that led me to utter the tongue-n-cheek frustration on Glenn Beck’s radio show, “I may run for president of Texas!”

I’m not saying that other states won’t muster the gumption to stand and secede, but Texas has the history to prove it. As most know, Texas was its own country before it joined the Union as its 28th state. From 1836 to 1846, Texas was its own Republic. Washington-on-the-Brazos (river) served as our Philadelphia, Pa. It was there, on March 2, 1836, where a band of patriots forged the Texas Declaration of Independence. (We just celebrated these dates last week.)

On March 1, 1845, then-President John Tyler signed a congressional bill annexing the Republic of Texas. Though the annexation resolution never explicitly granted Texas the right to secede from the Union (as is often reported), many (including me) hold that it is implied by its unique autonomy and history, as well as the unusual provision in the resolution that gave Texas the right to divide into as many as five states. Both the original (1836) and the current (1876) Texas Constitutions also declare that “All political power is inherent in the people. … they have at all times the inalienable right to alter their government in such manner as they might think proper.”

Anyone who has been around Texas for any length of time knows exactly what we’d do if the going got rough in America. Let there be no doubt about that. As Sam Houston once said, “Texas has yet to learn submission to any oppression, come from what source it may.”

Just last Friday, the Alamo celebrated its 172nd commemoration, when on March 6, 1836, Texans under Col. William B. Travis were overcome by the Mexican army after a two-week siege at the Alamo in San Antonio. But they didn’t go down without a hell-of-a-fight, as those roughly 145 Texans fought to their dying breaths against more than 2,000 Mexican forces under Gen. Santa Anna. (Casualties in the battle were 189 Texans vs. about 1,600 Mexicans.) They lost that battle, but would provide the inspiration to win the war. Their fighting spirit rallied the new-found republic, and still does to this day. So when you think all is lost in America, remember the Alamo!

For those losing hope, and others wanting to rekindle the patriotic fires of early America, I encourage you to join Fox News’ Glenn Beck, me and millions of people across the country in the live telecast, “We Surround Them,” on Friday afternoon (March 13 at 5 p.m. ET, 4 p.m. CT and 2 p.m. PST). Thousands of cell groups will be united around the country in solidarity over the concerns for our nation. You can host or attend a viewing party by going to Glenn’s website. My wife Gena and I will be hosting one from our Texas ranch, in which we’ve invited many family members, friends and law enforcement to join us. It’s our way of saying “We’re united, we’re tired of the corruption, and we’re not going to take it anymore!”

Again, Sam Houston put it well when he gave the marching orders, “We view ourselves on the eve of battle. We are nerved for the contest, and must conquer or perish. It is vain to look for present aid: None is at hand. We must now act or abandon all hope! Rally to the standard, and be no longer the scoff of mercenary tongues! Be men, be free men, that your children may bless their father’s name.”

(Note: Speaking of showdowns, Chuck is also inviting anyone near the Houston area this weekend to see a good example of the raw Texas fighting spirit by joining him and others for the national martial arts event, “Showdown in H-Town.”)


4,378 posted on 03/11/2009 6:00:27 PM PDT by WestCoastGal (If he wants to come by the bus after the race and get his a$$ whooped, I'll do it. - Dale Jr)
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To: nw_arizona_granny; All
Here is a source for shortwave broadcasts worldwide if it all goes south, this could be some handy info /

a general coverage short wave receiver would be something to seriously consider.

http://www.dxzone.com/cgi-bin/dir/jump2.cgi?ID=10460

4,379 posted on 03/11/2009 6:13:20 PM PDT by Eagle50AE (Pray for our Armed Forces.)
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To: Eagle50AE

12 volt Fluorescent Lamps

” Whenever there is a need for battery-powered lighting, like for camping, solar powered cottages, cars, boats, planes, or emergency purposes, fluorescent lamps have a great appeal. Firstly, they are very much more efficient than glow lamps, so they produce much more light for less power consumption. Secondly, their light color stays constant while the battery runs down “

great article with instructions / photos

http://www.qsl.net/xq2fod/Electron/Fluolamp/fluolamp.html


4,380 posted on 03/11/2009 6:33:53 PM PDT by Eagle50AE (Pray for our Armed Forces.)
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