Posted on 02/09/2009 12:36:11 AM PST by nw_arizona_granny
Yahoo ran an interesting article this morning indicating a rise in the number of survivalist communities cropping up around the country. I have been wondering myself how much of the recent energy crisis is causing people to do things like stockpile food and water, grow their own vegetables, etc. Could it be that there are many people out there stockpiling and their increased buying has caused food prices to increase? It’s an interesting theory, but I believe increased food prices have more to do with rising fuel prices as cost-to-market costs have increased and grocers are simply passing those increases along to the consumer. A recent stroll through the camping section of Wal-Mart did give me pause - what kinds of things are prudent to have on hand in the event of a worldwide shortage of food and/or fuel? Survivalist in Training
I’ve been interested in survival stories since I was a kid, which is funny considering I grew up in a city. Maybe that’s why the idea of living off the land appealed to me. My grandfather and I frequently took camping trips along the Blue Ridge Parkway and around the Smoky Mountains. Looking back, some of the best times we had were when we stayed at campgrounds without electricity hookups, because it forced us to use what we had to get by. My grandfather was well-prepared with a camp stove and lanterns (which ran off propane), and when the sun went to bed we usually did along with it. We played cards for entertainment, and in the absence of televisions, games, etc. we shared many great conversations. Survivalist in the Neighborhood
It was Tennessee. I’m on ForGod’sSake’s Tenth Amendment Ping List.
Well, guess I’ll have to get a dump truckload of inch to inch and a half gravel...
Practice up on my slingshot accuracy...
(No, I am not David...)
Maybe start making boomerangs...
Keep the pitchfork handy.
>>> How did you make out with the storm? <<<
Storming now... just like clockwork...every evening.. everything is rotting without ripening or like dormant..
have squash/zucci , tommytoes but the plants are taking the blight, plenty of cabbage but very few cukes or brocc.
last year went for 4 months without a drop... go figure..
squash/oinion bb’s are turning out very well, jury still out on kraut.. not used to making in jar.. always had a churn.. guess might have to pick up one i been looking at but its 70.00..ouch
>>>last year went for 4 months without a drop... go figure..<<<
After a very wet spring, we turned dry 3 weeks ago. Not a drop since. Have been irrigating regularly out of necessity. (Sandhills are like that - LOL)
>>>tommytoes but the plants are taking the blight<<<
I have been really lucky there.... I have only found one tomato with blossom end rot and NO BLIGHT! I think having it on the ground cover has helped with wet soil diseases.
>>>jury still out on kraut.. not used to making in jar.. always had a churn.. guess might have to pick up one i been looking at but its 70.00..ouch<<<
While I have a 10 gallon one and a 5 gallon one (I picked them up at a pottery outlet - salt fired - anyway, I used the 6 gallon HDPVC bucket with water bag on top. I think it worked as well as anything I have tried. (Wife appropriated the crocks for ornamental purposes)
Hope your weather settles down a bit.
Great!! Lot of reading there. Noted the reply number in my “notebook” for more perusal later.
Your post on drying was good, also. Think I will really get into drying if my garden ever gets going. It is looking better every day after a little badly needed sun. Wish I could get an idea of the nutritional value in different dried veggies, especially after they are ground into a powder. Your burgers sounded great and loaded with nutrition.
Walton has some great info on dehydrated foods here:
http://waltonfeed.com/old/self/deh-veg.html
Some great info for comparing nutrient values canned/frozen/dried is found here:
http://www.aaoobfoods.com/nutrientlosscomparison.htm
These compare one pound quantities, so canned and frozen are about 1/10th of dehydrated. Seems they hold their nutrients really well.
At dinner tonight I came up with another experiment to try... Why not mix veggie powder in whole wheat bread... A bit of peanut butter, honey and veggie bread - just about a complete diet.
Very good sites and the links are full of info. I DO know how to bookmark so you can be sure I have bookmarked both sites. After the fresh veggies have gone by in the garden, I struggle to get vegetables into my family (myself included), so I usually pay the high price to buy them fresh in the supermarket. Now, with all this info, I can think of lots of ways to incorporate healthy eating into our diet and I’m sure I will think of lots more. The bread, honey and peanut butter sounds just delicious. Thinking about omelets, casseroles, pancakes (with dried fruit) muffins and loads of other ways to get nutritious meals.
My Connection STINKS.. I pity anyone else that has to use dial-up, much less this nationally advertised overrated provider ( “ switch from broadband to ... .... and save $xxx dollars a year “ BS
Ok rant is over...for now...
THREAD ARCHIVES :
here are the links to 3 of the thread archives...
good for 7 days or 100 d/loads... freepmail me if any questions
Thread 1 part 1 :
https://www.yousendit.com/download/Y1RxQmtUTStubHgzZUE9PQ
thread 1 pt 2 I will have to try again tonight.. and will post link when completed
Thread 2 part 1 :
https://www.yousendit.com/download/Y1RxQmtkbTh3NUozZUE9PQ
Thread 2 Part 2 :
https://www.yousendit.com/download/Y1RxQmthU1BkMnZIRGc9PQ
hope this helps and sorry for the delay..
This is said to be from the St. Petersburg Times Newspaper, Sunday. The Business Section asked readers
for ideas on “How Would You Fix the Economy?”
Dear Mr. President:
Please find below my suggestions for fixing America’s economy.
Instead of giving billions of dollars to companies that will squander the
money on lavish parties and unearned bonuses, use the following plan.
You can call it the Patriotic Retirement Plan:
There are about 40 million people over 50 in the work force. Pay them $1 million apiece severance
for early retirement with the following stipulations:
1) They MUST retire. Forty million job openings - Unemployment fixed.
2) They MUST buy a new American car. Forty million cars ordered - Auto Industry fixed.
3) They MUST either buy a house or pay off their mortgage - Housing Crisis fixed.
It can’t get any easier than that!
If more money is needed, have all members of Congress and their
staff, along with Government Employees pay their taxes....
July 15, 2009
Admiral Michael Mullen, CJCS
General James E Cartwright USMC, VCJCS
General George W. Casey, Jr. USA
Admiral Gary Roughead, USN
General Norton A. Schwartz, USAF
General James T. Conway, USMC
Gentlemen:
We are now in a situation where those who desire to extricate themselves from the War On Terror, or any
other military obligation, may do so by challenging their orders. All one needs to do is question the
legitimacy of the alleged president, Soetoro, and they are immediately released. What will you do if all
the military want to know the truth? What will you do then? Should not they expect their orders to be
legal? Every person in the military should resist, barring absolute proof. If only our military had
hundreds of thousands of others with Major Stefan Frederick Cook’s bravery.
Show us, gentlemen, that you, too, have that bravery. Show the American People that you are not just
armchair generals, fat and incompetent, happy to collect your paychecks, waiting to retire. Show us that
you indeed have some testicular fortitude and the ‘guts’ for which our military is known. Show us you
give a damn.
You cannot allow this wound to fester. It is Soetoro, at the top, who must prove himself. Not the other
way around. With every damn ‘i’ dotted, and ‘t’ crossed; all the way back to August 4, 1961, from Kenya,
to Hawaii, to Indonesia, the passports, the Selective Service application, through school. All of it.
ALL OF IT.
....
To keep this drip from becoming a torrent, you must demand that Soetoro prove his legitimacy, once and
for all. First, he should be a citizen of the United States, incredibly, even that is questionable. But,
to be president, he must have two citizen parents. He can be given the benefit of the doubt on the other
two requirements. World leaders and intelligence agencies know he is a fraud. Foreign populations have
been informed by their media, and know him to be a fraud. Our own CIA and FBI know he is a fraud.
Millions of Americans know he is a fraud. Major Cook knows he is a fraud. I’m of the opinion you
gentlemen also know he is a fraud.
Honduras. Could this tiny, poor, third world DEMOCRACY be a model for the United States of America? I
can’t believe I just wrote that down. Yet that country was not going to allow a president to usurp power
he did not constitutionally possess, as we have. The Honduran Army was forced to step in and correct the
situation, and immediately turn over the reins of power to legitimate officeholders. Their military were
true leaders. A coup? No. A correction.
You could achieve the same thing by demanding honesty, truth, and transparency of Soetoro. Demand his
bona fides. Prove to the American People that you are leaders. Prove to the American People that you are
patriots worthy of the medals and ribbons on your chests. Or return them as undeserved.
We learn, today, that DOD’s Defense Security Services Agency has demanded that Simtech CEO, Larry Grice,
terminate Major Stefan Frederick Cook, and that his security clearances have been revoked. Despicable
mistreatment of a true hero. What about the very idea that the military must follow legal orders? How
the hell do they know the orders are legal if they don’t ask? Doesn’t this violate the whistle blower
protections afforded anybody who works for the government? Yes, soldiers who work for the military work
for the government.
This hero, Major Cook, swore to uphold the Constitution, not a phony president. For doing his job, for
protecting the Constitution, he is felled, as if by an enemy bullet, but it turns out to be friendly
fire. The despicable coward who ordered this treatment of him should be hanged. By destroying Cook, an
illegal order is executed; exactly what Cook was trying to avoid.
Major Cook is the hero, the patriot, you gentlemen will never be.
Yours very truly,
Rob Lamb
robglamb @ yahoo.com
cc: Major Stefan Frederick Cook, Dr. Orly Taitz, the press, Pelosi, Reid, McCain, McConnell, Gates,
Powell, Members of the House and Senate Armed Services Committees, Soetoro.
This seems to be coming up more often.. the following came in mail :
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This is an open letter to FReepers in the 26 states with Republican Senators and Representatives. FReepers in states with only Republican Representatives are cordially invited to join us.
At age 17 he was described as slightly less than 6’ tall, muscular and barrel-chested. Nonetheless, and years before the 1st Amendment right to free speech, 17 year old Benjamin Franklin bravely confronted oppressive government policies with pointed story-telling in his brother’s newspaper. Indeed, brother James was earlier thrown in jail for 3 weeks without trial because he dared to challenge Massachusetts authorities for the way they were handling piracy issues. Later, it was decided Franklin’s newspaper was “mocking religion” and was thereupon required to seek government approval prior to any publication. The newspaper paper later failed.
The point? The Franklins, and many brave Americans to follow, perhaps some in your immediate family, struggled and in many cases paid dearly for our right to speak out and confront oppression!
Bill Clinton is today regarded in many quarters as a respectable man and one who lives a secure and comfortable life supported in part by taxpayer funds. His wife continues to enjoy the benefits of high government office. The outcome might have been far different, however, if his Senate trial had looked at the evidence as did the House in it’s impeachment proceeding. It is believed the Senate trial was not as well presented as it might have been. For instance, only Monica Lewinsky’s video tape and that of Clinton and two of his cronies were heard. Imagine, no cross-examination! It is also believed the fact Hillary Clinton was in possession of 900 FBI files may have concerned many Senators of both parties and their families and colleagues.
The point? Notwithstanding Clinton a) was found guilty of perjury in the impeachment proceedings, b) later fined by a federal judge for pertinent testimony that was “intentionally false”, c) ultimately agreed to put his law license on ice, and d) agreed to pay $850,000 to hush Paula Jones - each on many of the same facts – not a single Democrat Senator voted “guilty” in Clinton’s Senate trial!
Whether or not Obama is qualified, the general public is beginning to understand our nation is again the victim of a scam. His arrogant shell game and his expensive refusal to demonstrate he is a natural born citizen has caused the nation great stress.
Worse, it is undeniable that Obama and the Democrat-controlled Congress are very quickly changing the basic value and character of our nation’s inheritance and culture. If Obama resigns, we are left with Biden and, most likely, Hillary.
The point? We need to disrupt their agenda and try to buy time until we can restore effective balance in our government. At the moment, we are perhaps one serious disaster from losing our nation.
Congress alone had the authority to confirm on January 8, 2009 the results of the presidential election and to declare Obama the President. Likewise, Congress is the single body today with the Constitutional authority to reconsider and correct that action.
Unfortunately, with the current political composition of Congress, it is unlikely any reconsideration will occur without a nudge from the U.S. Supreme Court. The question then is, “What are the most efficient means of getting this issue before the Court?”
The Armed Services, sworn to defend the Constitution, has a clear operational requirement of knowing its Commander in Chief is qualified to issue lawful orders. Suits now in progress by retired and active duty military officers may well reach the Court. Do not forget, the officers forwarding those expensive suits are not seeking money damages!
Such suits may take longer than we wish. More importantly, we should not ask our military to shoulder the entire burden and risk of challenging the mindset that occupies the Oval Office. We must find every opportunity to press forward on every front.
Another means of reaching the Court is via petition brought by a member of Congress who is concerned that the Congress may be performing its duties on the basis of a Constitutional defect. The defect is that Congress failed to discharge its Constitutional and statutory duties on January 8.
The petition set out below summarizes pertinent and indisputable facts and specifically and clearly asks the Congress to take the steps necessary to examine authentic evidence and reconsider its January 8 action. If the Congress is unwilling to take such steps, that may prompt a member of that body to step forward and petition the Court.
We ask each FReeper in the 26 states to send an unsigned copy of the petition to their Republican politicians. Briefly ask in a cover letter how many signatures they would require in order to a) read the petition into the record of their chamber and b) move that Congress take the action requested in the petition. (The petition will fit on one page with a 9 point font; thus, it can be a two page letter.)
The House of Representatives is presently scheduled to leave on summer vacation August 1 and the Senate on August 8. Subject to your schedule, you may decide to mail the letter to your Representative at the state office and the letter to your Senator to the Wash. D.C. address. (There will be a post to all state FReepers with the mailing addresses.)
Perhaps out of all of the Republicans serving in Congress, we will find some willing to recognize they are bound by their own statutes and the Constitution.
Some argue there is not yet a crisis because the Constitution has not yet been tested. If the Court determines it was improper for Congress to disregard its January 8 Constitutional and statutory obligations and Congress does not respond to that determination, there clearly will be a crisis.
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1ST AMENDMENT PETITION
seeking the
REDRESS OF GRIEVANCES
WHEREAS, at the time of President Obama’s birth his father was not a United States citizen and his mother was a United States citizen under 19 years of age;
WHEREAS, the relevant statute in effect throughout 1961 would not allow United States citizenship at birth to an infant born abroad with such parentage;
WHEREAS, Article II of the United States Constitution requires the President to be a natural born citizen;
WHEREAS, pursuant to the statute and the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution, the location of President Obama’s birth is a critical element in the determination of whether he is a natural born citizen;
WHEREAS, President Obama recently represented in the case of Hollister v Soetero that he publicly provided to several internet websites a certified copy of his purported birth certificate which purportedly shows a birth in Hawaii;
WHEREAS, the document made public is a Certification of Live Birth (COLB) not an Hawaii birth Certificate; significantly, Hawaii emphasizes its COLB is not conclusive evidence of a birth in Hawaii;
WHEREAS, candidate Obama expended substantial effort and legal expense to defend multiple lawsuits, in an attempt to avoid providing the Certificate of Live Birth underlying the COLB;
WHEREAS, document examiners have identified several unmistakable defects and anomalies in the provided COLB, and conclude that it is a fabricated document, one that immediately violates state and federal felony statutes regarding fraudulent use of forged or altered identification documents;
WHEREAS, if the only assurance candidate Obama provided to state primary election officials that he was an eligible candidate was to sign state-provided certifications, under penalty of perjury, it is possible those officials were subsequently satisfied of the candidate’s eligibility by the COLB;
WHEREAS, Congress was put on notice by numerous voters and groups prior to the November 4, 2008 election of substantial concerns regarding candidate Obama’s Article II eligibility, it is possible members of Congress were satisfied of the candidate’s eligibility by the COLB;
WHEREAS, Congress convened on January 8, 2009 in a Joint Session solely for the purpose of receiving, verifying and tallying the votes of the Electoral College and accepting, or objecting to and where appropriate disqualifying those votes in accordance with 3 USC 15;
WHEREAS, Congress failed to call for objections to any Certificate of Vote presented by the Electoral College during the Joint Session in accordance with 3 USC 15;
WHEREAS, such a call would have provided an opportunity to address the issue of whether the President elect was eligible in accordance with Article II and would have been prerequisite to valid acceptance of any Certificate, nonetheless Congress accepted the votes of the Electoral College without such a call;
WHEREAS, in the face of this extraordinary controversy the citizens of the United States are entitled to know whether the President of the United States satisfies the natural born citizen requirement of Article II;
WHEREAS, the members of Congress are sworn to uphold the United States Constitution;
NOW THEREFORE, we the undersigned request that Congress establish a joint special committee to investigate the question of President Obama’s constitutional eligibility, which shall have the mandate to subpoena and examine forensically all documents, including but not limited to his original certificate of birth, bearing upon such question.
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The petition can also be found at http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/1st-amendment-petition.html
My sons have been using that method of dish washing for years now (without the dishwasher) I just have to make sure I rewash them all. LOL
Unusual Chinese vegetable grows in city backyard
My friends have a large, productive, backyard food garden in Richmond, B.C. One
vegetable they grow is most unusual and delicious. At dinner the other night, I
asked my generous hostess to tell me about this Chinese vegetable, which she both
grows and cooks. They call it “Orsun” in Mandarin.
Backyard Growing and Selling in Vancouver
Many people in Vancouver grow their own food in pots or in community gardens. But
some businesses are putting those small plots together for a big harvest.
Antiquated Canning Makes a Comeback - Canwest News Service
For a generation that made instant gratification its raison d’etre, the recent reclamation
of canning - a domestic art that could be timed with a sundial - is nothing short
of astounding.
Nielsen Canada reports this week that sales of canning accessories were up nearly
70 per cent in May over the same month last year, while June saw the category swell
a whopping 88 per cent compared to the same period in 2008.
Composer writes song - ‘The Family Farm in My Front Yard’
Jean Elliott Manning writes, “This song is the finale of an entire musical I’ve
written about how an urban lawn becomes a Food Farm. It’s called Daisy and the Wonder
Weeds.” The songwriter is looking for a producer.
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Thanks for reposting the links to the threads. I will have hubby download them for me when he gets home. (or I guess I should say show me how to do it)
Your Welcome,
enjoy and store for worst case..
Sorry to hear the troubles with your garden. Ours is just starting to produce. Got our 1st peas last week (guess the cooler weather was good for them). Green beans, zukes and yellow squash coming along this week as well as some raspberries. The weather this summer has been pretty cool, with a few hot days and some rain thrown in for good measure. Pretty pleasant for the people, not sure about the plantings.
” The Commissars (Czars) of Emperor Obama, answerable to none but the Emperor, consolidate power on a level realizable only in the Marxist, Godless society of absolutes, not in a traditional Orthodox Christian monarchy.”<<<
Now if America will wake up.
Glad to see you are back on line.
I do make my own gomasio, which my hubby puts on practically every vegetable I make (as well as some foods that I don’t think it should be on, lol).<<<
Thank you for the recipe, it sounds good to me.
I like sesame seeds on breads so might like them in other places too.
There are recipes out there that add them to green beans.
America’s ‘disappeared’: The homeless of the big cities
By Wayne Madsen
Online Journal Contributing Writer<<<
That sounds like Hitler’s vanishing old folks.
A German Lady Remembers and Speaks
by Lori Kalner<<<
A powerful article, should be read by every person in the country.
If one googles for the Evergreen Society, one will find a world wide group, who help kill the old and sick, they turned up in the Terri Scviago case, when the husband starved his wife to death in Florida, with the courts permission.
At the time, I was amazed at the liberals, willing to go on talk radio and support the killing of Terri.
The underlying theme was “she is using up resources that could be used for my ____ health problems”.
I think that is when I realized what a sick bunch of people liberals are.
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