Begin at # 72, or before, time permitting, then read to end of page, don't miss # 90. Interesting information here.
Posted on 08/07/2010 9:33:54 AM PDT by Leza2
Sounds like a microwave gun.
I wonder if she was buried or cremated. I wonder if it is the custom of Asians to cremate if that is what happened. If she was cremated and it isn't the custom that would be telling. If she is buried it would be interesting to have her exhumed if that were possible.
It is all to coincidental and strange including that the supposed trip never took place and that Obama has never to my knowledge mentioned this close childhood adopted sister, not even in his tell all books. They slept in the same room and he wouldn't even leave the room without her. That is close.
Whoa, reading that old thread, sounds like he had trouble fitting in, that the parents expected a 12-yr-old girl to be his only caretaker, and that he was often punished by being locked in the bathroom without food. Sounds like he was throwing mangos out of a tree and got tricked into eating a hot chili that made him cry? Poor thing was dying for love, wanting to sleep in the Nanny’s bed so desperately. And Nanny went around telling the other kids to forgive him because he is only a black boy. Sheesh.
I acutely feel great sorrow for the neglect and abuse the young Barack endured throughout his childhood. This does make him absolutely wrong in many ways to be our President, of course. But I hate to see a child treated like trash.
He never mentioned her. Yes, there’s the nub of the problem. She did exist. She did live with the Soetoros, I have NO doubt. She WAS talking to the Indonesian media, becoming quite the local celeb. That made his trip to Indonesia all the more uncomfortable for him because he never mentioned her, he didn’t mention her in his book (of course, somebody else wrote it, so that’s not surprising), and he would go to Indonesia with a planeful of OUR media, who would encounter THEIR media, and learn about Ms. Lia. So, tell me again WHY he canceled the trip and NEVER rescheduled it.
Microwave gun? Yikes! I was thinking more along the lines of an injectible, but that would surely do the trick. How would it show up in a post-mortem, if there was one, to a doctor in a third-world country? (A bribe-able doctor)
Muslim custom is usually to bury the deceased the same day. Before sunset, I believe, which is exactly when they say Lia died. So maybe they took her right out and buried her. We’ll never see any exhumation. And even if someone ordered it, would her body still be there? I hope her husband and children are safe.
I remember that too. I know I read about live-in help in either the divorce decree or separation agreement, but can't find it again. If you find it, please send me a link.
I was surprised to see the mention of live-in help when Barack has been claiming his mother was on food stamps. I doubt she was ever on food stamps. Her mother and father would have been helping her out.
One thing about the divorce decree I found two children mentioned — one under 18 and one over 18. Could the over 18 have been Lia? I don't know if the under 18 is Obama or Maya. This is the first time I have heard of Lia and now find out she died. It would explain Obama’s reluctance about going to Indonesia.
I know I saw a legal paper that mentioned the live-in help. Maybe that was in the separation agreement. The separation agreement is usually more detailed than the actual divorce decree.
This is the pdf mentioned in the article. Lia is mentioned in it, but it needs a translation.
http://www.kjri-melbourne.org/pdf/press_cable/PC-005-090109.pdf
http://www.scribd.com/doc/9940006/Soetoro-Divorce-1980-9-Pages-Merged
INFORMATION ON CARE OF CHILDREN:
Living Arrangements: (include type of home, rent/own, number of rooms, number of occupants)
oldest child in university
mother resides with youngest child in 4-bedroom house provided by mother's employer (USAID); household includes 2 full-time live-in domestics
mother's work hours coincide with youngest child's school hours so child care not a problem
Finances:
mother spends appr. $300 a mo. on domestic help, including after hours babysitting if necessary
Thanks so much! There are interesting tidbits in those papers:
They separated in August 1974, when Maya was 4. She was born August 15, 1970, according to the divorce papers. Why did everything happen for Stanley Ann in August? Two kids born in August and she leaves both husbands in August.
She paid two domestic servants (a cook and a housekeeper?) a TOTAL of $300 a month. Generous.
Page 3: Does it look to you as if part of the line about somebody wanting to remarry got blanked out? That line reads, “husband has not contributed to support of wife and children since 1974/husband living with another woman, wishes to remarry.” It appears to continue on the next line for a word or two, but those words look blanked out, with remnants apparent only at the very top of the next line. So it’s not clear who wanted to remarry. Stanley or Lolo? Living in Indonesia and being Muslim, I’m sure that Lolo had no need to divorce SAD in Hawaii (American courts) in order to remarry in Indonesia. In fact, couldn’t he just declare himself divorced from SAD and proceed however he wanted? Isn’t that how Muslims divorce? “I divorce you.” Done! Could SAD have been planning to remarry? Lolo did remarry and had more children, one of whom had a son who apparently attended Maya’s wedding.
Why didn’t Lolo support his family for 8 years between the separation and divorce? Lia, the stepsister, said that she remained in the household of LOLO for over 15 years, so she’s not one of Stanley’s servants. Lia said that Lolo bought that house for Stanley and Maya and Barry to live in, iirc. It was in an upscale neighborhood. I believe Lia said that Stanley Ann Soetoro ALWAYS lived in good neighborhoods in Indonesia, not the slums that Obama tries to make everyone believe. She also said that Barry was driven to school every day in a car, quite a luxury for that time in Indonesia. A chauffeur. Perhaps that was SAD’s other servant—a housekeeper and a chauffeur. Nice for them.
USAID was her employer. There’s a photo and story about that:
http://www.usaid.gov/press/frontlines/fl_mar09/p1_obama.html
Now this would be AFTER she separated from Lolo, according to the date on the photo. From that story, “In his biographical Dreams From My Father published in 1995 and updated in 2004, Obama wrote [sic] that ‘five days a week she [SAD] came into my room at four in the morning, force-fed me breakfast, and proceeded to teach me English lessons for three hours before I left for school.’”
FORCE-FED? What an odd choice of words. Lia suggested this scenario. Those times when he was locked in a room and Lia had to sneak him food through a window. Food that he wasn’t allowed to eat, otherwise. Perhaps street food wasn’t halal?
WHY would SAD have to teach Barry ENGLISH for 3 hours a day before he went to school in Indonesia? He supposedly lived in the USA until he was 6 years old. His FIRST LANGUAGE was English. He might have had trouble learning Indonesian, but he’d learn Indonesian at school. No problem. Kids pick up languages very quickly, especially through immersion. He wasn’t in Indonesia long enough to lose his first language. Besides, kids can easily be bi-lingual. They learn a second language but don’t lose the first one. Maya still speaks fluent Indonesian as well as English.
Speaking of Maya—She was born in Indonesia to an Indonesian father. How is it that the divorce papers refer to her as an American citizen?
The divorce papers say, “oldest child in university.” That’s not American-speak, although this is from Hawaii. In university?
Lolo, in 1980, worked at Union Oil of Indonesia. Why would they address divorce papers to his office instead of his home?
Does “pro se” mean Lolo was not represented in this proceedings? His signature looks different from those on the immigration documents released via Strunk’s FOIA request.
The papers give her the right to resume her maiden name, Stanley Ann Dunham, yet I don’t believe that she gave up Sutoro/Soetoro thereafter.
There is only one reason why, in a country inhabited by 250 million muslims, anyone would get up before dawn...and that's to be in time for the first muslim prayer of the day. At Dawn.
I would love to hear more about Lia. You would think someone would investigate this story, especially since she died so unexpectedly this year. And why not ask Obama about her claim of being his adopted sister.
I also wish someone would investigate his claim of growing up poor on food stamps. Sounds like he mostly had a privileged childhood. Evidently, Stanley Ann didn't need child support from either of her two husbands, since she never asked for it.
Begin at # 72, or before, time permitting, then read to end of page, don't miss # 90. Interesting information here.
Thank you, Lucy. Very interesting, and I wonder if we will ever get the entire truth about the won.
Muslims do not cremate the dead. At least not Muslims in Indonesia.
About the injured foot.
There was a thread a couple of days ago showing what purported to be a scar on his shin, can’t remember which leg.
Remember that?
Cool. Thanks for the Basic formatting tips!
do you have a list of all of her finances at the time?
$ 300 for the servants bill? No way!
More likely 30-50 per month, max!
“...“she knows in left foot bent Obama is hurt ex- fall to got at the time of climbing mango tree.”
I find that little snippet of considerable interest. On a thread a day or two ago, someone posted an image of zero, getting out of a car, his legs were bare...and someone commented that one leg appeared to be scarred or crooked. Did anyone see that image? I’ve looked but have been unable to find it. Any help would be appreciated.
VIDEOS OF LIA HERE (in indonesian with some translation)
http://wtpotus.wordpress.com/2010/08/12/lia-soetoro-sobah-speaks-in-her-own-words/
EXCERPT FROM ARTICLE:
Some have questioned the authenticity of Lia’s memories. Is she a charlatan, out for her 15 minutes of fame? Perhaps. But she must be (strike that: must HAVE BEEN) a very clever and daring person, to have invented such detailed memories. Memories that ring true and which hang together. Especially since the Indonesian media were taking her seriously and could easily do the legwork necessary to try to authenticate what she said. After all, they had well over a year from the time of these “inaugural” interviews until the time of her death, in Feb. 2010.
Ask yourself two questions: Why did Obama cancel that trip to Indonesia after Lia’s story came out? Why did Lia die so suddenly and mysteriously, as she was again being interviewed by Indonesian media, in anticipation of the Obama visit, planned for Spring 2010?
Then ask yourself these questions: Who had more to hide? Who is the bigger charlatan, fabricator, liar?
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