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Table Disservice (e.g., banning iPads and Kindles in coffee shops?)
New York Times website ^ | February 11, 2011 | Virginia Hefferman

Posted on 02/13/2011 6:05:50 AM PST by RayChuang88

No Kindles in cafes? You’ve got to be kidding. This is an affront, not only to readers and gadget lovers, but also to the spirit of cafes!

Many indie New York City cafes now heavily restrict, or ban outright, the use of Kindles, Nooks and iPads. Evidently, too many coffee shops in town have had their ambience wrecked when itinerant word processors with laptops turn the tables into office space. Sure, that phenomenon can be depressing — whether you’re a scornful lady who lunches or the nomadic freelancer who fields glares. And full-dress computers are perhaps too much personal furniture for cafes to accommodate. But banning devices the size of books, like Kindles and iPads, is going too far, and it’s anathema to the character and history of cafes.

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TOPICS: Books/Literature; Computers/Internet; Society
KEYWORDS: bans; coffeeshop; ipad; kindle
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I can definitely understand banning devices that have a live connection to the Internet such as a laptop, but since the iPad and Kindle don't NEED an live WiFi or even 3G cellular Internet connection to work most of the time, this ban borders on ridiculous.

I mean, look at the Amazon Kindle: you only need Internet access to download the latest book, daily newspaper or magazine issue. Most of the other times, the Kindle operates quietly, and since it uses an e-ink display there are no distracting backlights to deal with like you have with an iPad.

These coffee shops are going to start losing a LOT of business if they ban people from using an e-book reader in the coffee shop.

1 posted on 02/13/2011 6:05:54 AM PST by RayChuang88
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To: RayChuang88

I couldn’t read the rest of the article because I’m not a subscriber, but this strikes me as incredibly stupid. But it’s typical of the romantic, anti-technological mindset of the liberal world (and I’m sure the average “coffee shop” owner is pretty liberal, unless we’re talking about Greek diners, which I don’t think we are).

Maybe books are too modern. Maybe the readers need to haul out a roll of parchment. Oh - but wait, isn’t the cash register electronic???


2 posted on 02/13/2011 6:13:43 AM PST by livius
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To: RayChuang88
When I worked in restaurants during my college years, various people would use the restaurant as a homeless shelter, buying a cup of coffee and getting free refills for hours. Once they came in , your income tanked as their seat became dead, revenueless space.

Perhaps it is not the device itself, but using the device for hours which is what the coffee shops don't want.

3 posted on 02/13/2011 6:15:25 AM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: RayChuang88

It’s called the Starbucks rule. It’s meant to drive business to Starbucks. While the other places wonder why the have no customers and end up going bankrupt and then closing.


4 posted on 02/13/2011 6:16:00 AM PST by ncfool (The new USSA - United Socialst States of AmeriKa. Welcome to Obummers world or Obamaville USSA.)
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I have to assume that this is because someone using an e-reader sits for a long time sipping on a cup of coffee and taking up a table?


5 posted on 02/13/2011 6:16:10 AM PST by Saije
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To: livius
I think banning a Kindle borders on ridiculous--especially since that device barely needs Internet access and has no distracting backlight.

But, if those coffeeshop owners want to really starting losing business big-time, go right ahead!

6 posted on 02/13/2011 6:16:22 AM PST by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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I can definitely understand banning devices that have a live connection to the Internet such as a laptop...

Why shuold they be banned. If I want to sit over breakfast at a restaurant and read the news via the internet, what is it to you?

This nation is full it seems of a bunch of bored busy bodies that have no better calling in life than to take away other people's liberties because "they don't like it."

7 posted on 02/13/2011 6:16:42 AM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience.)
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Thanks for making me register at the New York Slimes just so I could read the entire article so see what sort of idiocy was afoot in New York Cafes.

As far as I can tell, the policy was aimed at laptop owners who were typing all day, and the clack-clack of the keyboard can be irritating.

But iPads and Kindles are also eBook readers, and reading in a Cafe is almost mandatory. If shop owners don't want squatters, then manage their free internet better, cutting off patrons who don't make a purchase after 60 minutes.

8 posted on 02/13/2011 6:18:57 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: gunsequalfreedom
You are absolutely correct. I mean think about it: do you hear the clicking noises of a keyboard from a Kindle? (No.) Do you see the distracting backlight of a laptop display? (No.)

These coffee shops are trying to "hold on to tradition" and they are going to really start losing money in the longer run.

9 posted on 02/13/2011 6:19:59 AM PST by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: RayChuang88

Yeah but you are taking up space while you read for a few hours.


10 posted on 02/13/2011 6:21:36 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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Then enforce a rule you can’t stay at the coffee shop for more than 45 minutes at a time.


11 posted on 02/13/2011 6:22:34 AM PST by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: Yo-Yo

Google the headline, you don’t have to register.


12 posted on 02/13/2011 6:23:00 AM PST by COUNTrecount (Barry...above his poi grade.)
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To: RayChuang88
that device barely needs Internet access

I am a Kindle reader and unless you are buying/downloading a new book, you don't need internet access at all (I guess some folk may want to download current newspapers however).

IMO this issue is a tempest in a teapot since the free market will adjust itself accordingly.

13 posted on 02/13/2011 6:24:26 AM PST by SonOfDarkSkies
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To: Saije

But if I were to bring in a book and spend an hour or so reading it, it would be okay?

What’s the difference?


14 posted on 02/13/2011 6:25:14 AM PST by AFreeBird
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To: Yo-Yo

I lived in a university town where all the students went to the local coffee shops with their laptops to do hours worth of work. If you just wanted to come in and get a cup of coffee, you couldn’t do so because every seat was occupied by a student.

The best solution to that would be, as you suggest, simply to limit the internet connection time. There was no limit at the university library, but they didn’t want to go there because there wasn’t music in the background, etc. Limiting their internet time at the coffee shop probably would have forced them to move on to the library after an hour or so.

But a Kindle or other e-reader? It doesn’t use anything from the coffee shop (wifi or electricity), and people don’t sit and read them any longer than they would sit and read a paperback or magazine with their coffee.

I remember that there was a bookstore on the Upper West Side that was staffed entirely by disdainful liberals who were outraged when the big stores like B&N and Borders came to New York. They would write articles about how people were supposed to support their crummy little bookstore, which had a limited selection except for the latest leftist raving (of which it would have hundreds of copies) and a staff that thought it was God’s gift to humanity and which openly scoffed at some of the store’s customers. And then they wondered why nobody wanted to shop there...


15 posted on 02/13/2011 6:29:24 AM PST by livius
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To: COUNTrecount
Google the headline, you don’t have to register.

It was tongue-in-cheek, but thanks for the tip!

16 posted on 02/13/2011 6:33:09 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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These coffee shops are going to start losing a LOT of business if they ban people from using an e-book reader in the coffee shop.

Borders has people stooging in its cafes and stacks all day. Doesn't seem to have worked all that well as a business model.

17 posted on 02/13/2011 6:36:34 AM PST by mewzilla (Hey, Schumer, your Lockerbie report left quite a bit out.)
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To: livius

Meanwhile, Borders may be filing for Chap. 11 this week....


18 posted on 02/13/2011 6:38:23 AM PST by mewzilla (Hey, Schumer, your Lockerbie report left quite a bit out.)
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The other store bit the dust a long time ago. I think one of Borders’ problems is that it didn’t really have a strategy for dealing with the e-book (and Amazon in general) until too late. And there may be other, management-related problems that I don’t know about.


19 posted on 02/13/2011 6:42:02 AM PST by livius
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But if I were to bring in a book and spend an hour or so reading it, it would be okay?

Or the local news rag, and spend an hour doing the crossword puzzle.

20 posted on 02/13/2011 6:47:45 AM PST by Traveler59 (Truth is a journey, not a destination.)
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