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Posted on 05/30/2013 5:41:53 PM PDT by Kevmo
Ecat Test Generates a lot of Attention
Published May 30, 2013. | By jennifer.
Andrea Rossi’s posting of the results from the independent test of his ecat Low Energy Nuclear Reaction (LENR) device at a forum for scientific papers has attracted a lot of attention. The attention has ranged from the curious to the favorable to the hostile.
The Botanical Garden at Uppsala University
Over at Forbes.com Mark Gibbs who has been very critical of Rossi in the past did a pretty good job of showing that the authors of the paper are real scientists. He also identified three of the paper authors I hadn’t heard of before they are: Torbjorn Hartman. Hartman is apparently a Senior Research Engineer at the Svedberg Laboratory which is associated with Uppsala University
Bo Hoistad who is a professor in the Department of Physics and Astronomy at Uppsala Unniversity. He maybe a professor of Nuclear Physics
Lars Tegner a Professor Emeritus (retired professor) from the Department of Engineering Sciences at Uppsala University. He is apparently a professor of electrical engineering.
Cudos to Mr. Gibbs for uncovering this and being willing to change his mind. Gibbs also noted that one of the professors Hanno Essen listed in the paper was the Chairman of the Swedish Skeptics Society for nearly three years. That doesn’t sound like a dupe does it.
Unfortunately not everybody is as open minded, Steven B. Krivit and New Energy Times are still denouncing the test as a hoax. They now claim Rossi is somehow manipulating the academics to create an illusion. One has to wonder would the academics be that stupid and gullible and would they risk their reputations and careers for a hoax. Perhaps the promoters of real journalism about LENR would explain this. It’s been my experience to start questioning any news source that starts bragging about practicing real journalism or the truth. Generally it’s a cover for sloppy reporting and masking opinion as news.
The usual “debunking” from the defenders of mainstream science has also popped up. Discovery News’ Jesse Emspak has posted 5 Reasons why Cold Fusion is Bunk. Note Rossi refuses to use the words Cold Fusion. A typical smear piece that employees a lot of classic propaganda techniques such as guilt by association ie link Rossi with the discredited words cold fusion, mention Pons and Fleischman, list some high school physics and hope none of our readers know anything about this. That’ll score points with certain science professors it isn’t journalism.
It’d be nice if the so called mainstream journalists might contact Mr. Rossi and talk to him. Or better contact the professors mentioned in the report and ask them why they think it is real.
If you’re interested in getting a full list of the coverage of the test results Sterling D. Allen has posted one at Pure Energy Systems. Unlike the so called critics he has listed both the critics and the supporters. His open mindedness should be a lesson for certain others.
The publicity we’re getting is nice but it doesn’t go far enough. Obviously part of the reason for this is that Rossi has not said or done anything dramatic or revealed how the ecat works. Hopefully that’ll be coming.
Hopefully all of this attention will lead to more funding and popular support for LENR. Something those of us who are discouraged by criticism should remember is that negative publicity can attract just as much attention as positive news. Even attack pieces may convince a few people to take a look at what’s going on and to get involved.
No comprehendo. The silence would need to be compelling evidence itself, like “the dog that didn’t bark” in the Sherlock Holmes story. In this case, the silence isn’t compelling.
Nonsense.
First, you have a choice to ignore the thread. I am sure there are many other subjects you ignore, but don’t spend your time trying to ‘run off’.
Second, no matter which side of the fence you are on, it is an advantage to have the latest info(regardless to it’s bias) and the chance to debate it and sift the wheat from the chaff.
Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer. If you consider KEVMO your enemy, it would benefit you to have his threads here where you can read them easily , and participate in the debate.
I plan to keep an eye on this stuff, and KEVMO not only does the work, but takes the abuse, so I admire his efforts.
Are we ‘into’ killing the messenger on this board, or evaluating the message ?
I know where my vote is at.
What? A kind word? I’m not used to that. This is some kind of trick, right?
thanks
Well, perhaps your comment furthers science in a way. It furthers Political Science....
I haz a reel kwestion.
Is it possible that Rossi and team have ‘stumbled’ upon the right combination of ingredients that enable this kind of power output ?
I’m not saying you have to believe it, just asking is it possible.
What a coincidence. I was just reading that article. Said the ground wire was disconnected as well. I was trying to read the comments on that website, but the format of the comments is so staggered that it takes too much time. And you can't tell WHO is responding to WHOM.
FR is the only place where there is a smooth flow with accurate backtracking.
I thought I read that Rossi himself stated that he didn't believe it was 'cold fusion'.
Like 3M scientists trying to create the world's strongest glue, and the failure that became Post-It Notes.
Wouldn’t it just be hilarious if he set about to make a ‘scam’ device imitating known LENR techniques, and accidentally created a device that really works.
And you still think I was lying when I said "I am here to learn".
If you go back and read my comments, I think you'll see I'm about getting ALL the info out in the open, and getting to the truth. It takes both 'wrong' and 'right' information to discern the truth.
I don't care whether I'm right or not. I care what is right.
and I don't tolerate bullies.
Haha... does everyone remember what that is from?
I always thought I was the only one... and when I would say it nobody would get it.
I don’t care whether I’m right or not. I care what is right.
***Same here.
I thought I read that Rossi himself stated that he didn’t believe it was ‘cold fusion’.
***If you knew someone had the plague, you’d avoid them, right? Every LENR researcher in the last 10 years has avoided the term ‘cold fusion’ like the plague. Like Widom & Larson, where they describe 2 Hydrogen atoms going through a roundabout low momentum electron thingie and end up with 2 H atoms fused together, at low temperatures. But NOOOO, it’s not cold fusion. No way. Yeah, right.
Robocop
I guess the closest historical parallel I can come up with was how Corn Flakes was invented. The guys owned a Nursing Home for old folks, and they were trying to find a way to give the geezers even cheaper bread. The experiment failed, and they figured the geezers wouldn’t know the difference. So they served up the flakes in a bowl of milk and the rest is history.
Or maybe a parallel would be Buggsy Siegel, trying to scam a bunch of people in Las Vegas and figured out that you can actually make good money just keeping to an honest house percentage.
David Copperfield made the Statue of Liberty disappear?
Wow
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