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Has the E-Cat been proven to work?
Skeptoid ^ | 5-23-13 | Mike Weaver

Posted on 06/02/2013 7:17:12 PM PDT by Kevmo

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To: Kevmo
Has the E-Cat been proven to work?

Have 419 scams been proven to work?

61 posted on 06/02/2013 9:23:30 PM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: Moonman62

They can break into one of Rossi’s facilities, or conduct computer espionage.
***It is likely that more nations than China are keying up to do just that.

Rossi should have either filed for a patent or kept everything totally secret.
***He was doing exactly that until about 2 years ago. It was Focardi who pushed him to do the demos, because he’s in ill health and wanted the credit due to him. So, Rossi obliged. He did a crappy job of it. His instinct is to keep it a secret, so everything he did on these demos went against his instinct.

But if this whole thing is a con, it is the greatest con in the history of science, and Rossi is the best demo artist of all time. No other magician can do his magic trick without being on the stage manipulating things. I don’t have such a high opinion of Rossi. He’s a mediocre demonstrator, an undisciplined scientist, and perhaps just an Edisonian inventor who got lucky.


62 posted on 06/02/2013 9:32:02 PM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1

Thanks 4 Bumping The Thread T4BTT.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2965392/posts?page=19#19


63 posted on 06/02/2013 9:32:50 PM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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It was Focardi who pushed him to do the demos, because he’s in ill health and wanted the credit due to him. So, Rossi obliged. He did a crappy job of it. His instinct is to keep it a secret, so everything he did on these demos went against his instinct.

Regardless of the reason, if his sauce is real the Chinese already have it. He may as well file a patent at this point, or get a big industrial partner.

64 posted on 06/02/2013 9:39:34 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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or get a big industrial partner.
***He appears to be choosing the latter strategy

http://ecatnews.com/?p=2551


65 posted on 06/02/2013 9:45:12 PM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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If I had a million bucks, I’d create a LENR experimental array, with perhaps 100 canisters that could be independently controlled for gas ingredients, total and partial pressures, temperatures, and rates of change of all the above. Then I’d pop some metal samples (e.g, nickel) into each one, and tune each one to a different point in a wide range of multidimensional variable values.

If any one of them got hotter than would be predicted from the input energy, I’d get another million and start a new experiment, with a hundred more canisters having environmental values scattered around the values in the hot one. I’d cherry pick the best from that experiment and start new experiments with variations around those values. And so on.

This should quickly focus in on effective gas and temperature environments for LENR. If the hot fusion lobby hadn’t united to prevent funding for “cold fusion”, we’d be there now.


66 posted on 06/02/2013 10:39:02 PM PDT by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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To: discostu

Thank you for the link to the patent. I wasn’t aware of this.


67 posted on 06/02/2013 10:41:55 PM PDT by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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I have been interested in so called ‘cold fusion’ since my courses in science particularly physical chemistry at UC Berkeley. What intrigued me was a chart/graph showing the relation between the bombs, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were just a fey years past. What was intriguing was the showing of ‘potential nuclear’ energy from Uranium/plutonium through the elements to hydrogen in particular. All noted elements had a level of such energy. It seemed to me that some of these middle elements might also just need a ‘key’ to unlock this low level energy. As such ‘cold fusion’ is very interesting to me.


68 posted on 06/02/2013 10:57:51 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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***He appears to be choosing the latter strategy

I wonder what's taking the Chinese so long? They've probably known the secret for a couple of years. There's also the Japanese, Russians and Israelis to worry about. Rossi better hurry or those distribution rights will be worthless.

69 posted on 06/03/2013 7:24:06 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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"If I had a million bucks, I’d create a LENR experimental array, with perhaps 100 canisters that could be independently controlled for gas ingredients, total and partial pressures, temperatures, and rates of change of all the above. Then I’d pop some metal samples (e.g, nickel) into each one, and tune each one to a different point in a wide range of multidimensional variable values."

Actually, this is the approach that successful investigators of LENR have pursued. It isn't "100 canisters", as in the past most people were working the Pons/Fleischmann electrolysis Pd/D2 systems, so the individual reactors are a bit pricey. They "have" done them in batches of 10. The researchers (several different) used this method to prove experimentally that the major overall reaction pathway in Pd/D2 was:

2D2 ----> He4

And that the heat yield per nucleon was very near to the theoretically predicted value of 24MEV/nucleon.

Precisely your approach has been suggested for "gas-loaded" systems (both Pd/D2 and Ni/H) on the Vortex-L mailing list. I suspect there are people out there doing precisely that

70 posted on 06/03/2013 7:26:47 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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"It’s not a personal attack, I CAUGHT YOU LYING, it’s a statement of fact."

Actually not. The stated policy of the Patent Office is to automatically reject applications about "cold fusion" as being in the same category as "perpetual motion". There have been a very few people who have managed to sneak things past the gates by proper selection of weasel-wordy terminology.

So yes, there have been patents granted about the topic area of "cold fusion", but called something else. In the case of your specific reference, this is about "Dislocation Site Formation Techniques", though the substance of the patent is all about "cold fusion".

71 posted on 06/03/2013 7:33:42 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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You neglect the possibility that Rossi’s new industrial partner will simply steal the secret themselves. Basically, that’s what Defkalion did.

Rossi will need to navigate a treacherous minefield to prevail in this. In the end, the most likely outcome, even if he has invented a secret sauce, is that he will be a tragic figure.


72 posted on 06/03/2013 9:23:46 AM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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Seems this gets posted about every day. Is there some reason for promoting this? Is someone hoping to find investors?

I remember reading about this well over a year ago. Seems it’s on FR almost every day.

I'm highly suspicious of the OP's motives for continuing to post this despite the fact that many people have pointed out that the claim is fraudulent. I'm also curious why anyone is allowed to keep promoting an obvious scam on FR.

73 posted on 06/03/2013 5:35:22 PM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2965392/posts?page=19#19


74 posted on 06/03/2013 6:20:12 PM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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