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RFID Enabled Credit Cards
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Posted on 01/14/2015 4:50:45 AM PST by IamConservative

If you have a recently issued credit or debit card, there is a very good chance it has an RFID chip in it that will transmit your card information to any nearby reader. Many of the newer model smartphones are RFID enabled and make it possible for someone standing next to you in line at the grocery store or at the train station to steal your identity and your money.

Just wanted to raise awareness of this risk and create an opportunity to share ideas on how to mitigate this risk.

I disabled the chip in my cards with a 16 gauge finish nail fired through the chip.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Science
KEYWORDS: bigbrother; creditcards; identitytheft; privacyrights; rfid
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1 posted on 01/14/2015 4:50:45 AM PST by IamConservative
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To: IamConservative
Thank You for this thread and awareness conveyed by posting.
2 posted on 01/14/2015 4:56:40 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: IamConservative

We wrap a piece of aluminum foil over the chip-enabled cards. They also make wallets that shield the cards from unintended electronic intrusion.


3 posted on 01/14/2015 4:57:18 AM PST by rstrahan
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To: IamConservative

It is probably even more secure. Europe for years has had a technology called Chip and Pin and that is basically what the new card is. Think marrying the convenience of credit with security of debit (actually more secure).


4 posted on 01/14/2015 4:57:18 AM PST by Free America52 (The White guys are getting pissed off. We beat Hitler Hirohito and Krushchev. Obama will be easy.)
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To: IamConservative

How did you identify the chip in the card?

If you destroyed the chip that has visible contacts, you just disabled your card after October 2015. After that date, merchants will have to use the chip on the card or they won’t accept your card.


5 posted on 01/14/2015 4:58:02 AM PST by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: IamConservative

My understanding is that information in the chip is read by a reader (e.g., at the point of sale). Doesn’t shooting a nail through it disable the card making it unusable?


6 posted on 01/14/2015 5:02:24 AM PST by Cry if I Wanna
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To: IamConservative

2 words....aluminum foil


7 posted on 01/14/2015 5:05:24 AM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: justlurking
How did you identify the chip in the card?

I was able to look at my card under a bright light and by moving the card around was able to see the a small bulge. The chip itself is ~1/4" square.

8 posted on 01/14/2015 5:21:18 AM PST by IamConservative (If fighting fire with fire is a good idea, why do the pros use water?)
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To: rstrahan

This might be a little easier.

http://www.staples.com/rfid+credit+card+sleeves/directory_rfid+credit+card+sleeves


9 posted on 01/14/2015 5:26:16 AM PST by Yogafist
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To: Free America52
“It is probably even more secure. Europe for years has had a technology called Chip and Pin and that is basically what the new card is.”

The last good idea to come from Europe was nearly 400 years ago when a couple of million of their people got into ships and came to America. Since then, pretty much all ideas we have gotten from Europe - including this one - are stupid. The key is included in your sentence above:

“Chip and Pin”

You have to enter a four digit pin at the time you make a purchase. The RFID isn't any more secure than the magenetic stripe - in fact it is LESS secure. And that's the way it is designed to be. People can set up readers at a distance and gather data on exactly where you are going and when. These data will be used for the purposes of marketing and “fine tuning your shopping experience.”

If they made you enter a pin with a magnetic strip card, it would be just as secure. Other than one more way to keep track of people, chip encoded cards are just another way to follow another fools mistake.

10 posted on 01/14/2015 5:27:48 AM PST by I cannot think of a name
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To: Cry if I Wanna
Doesn’t shooting a nail through it disable the card making it unusable?

The cards still work as a swipe and sign card. I will have to get them replaced in October when chip and pin is implemented.

11 posted on 01/14/2015 5:27:57 AM PST by IamConservative (If fighting fire with fire is a good idea, why do the pros use water?)
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To: I cannot think of a name

Not so.

Magnetic strips are relatively easy to duplicate. RFID chips, not so much.


12 posted on 01/14/2015 5:34:15 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: IamConservative

I received one years ago and sent it back. The new cards coming out now have a chip embedded but works differently, along the lines of the European standard.


13 posted on 01/14/2015 5:39:21 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: Cry if I Wanna

This guy has RFID and Chip/Pin mixed up.


14 posted on 01/14/2015 5:40:09 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: Cry if I Wanna

A few seconds in the microwave will cook the chip.


15 posted on 01/14/2015 5:43:50 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: rstrahan
I don't use a wallet anymore...I use a "Slim Clip" (ebay - under $10 incl. shipping)...cash on one side, cards on the other. I hate carrying an overstuffed wallet, so I keep just the bare essentials in the clip, and a wallet with my lesser used cards in my locked vehicle. I carry the clip in the front pocket, which I also prefer. I assume since metal covers the whole card except about 1/4 inch on the end, it would protect the cards from being read?


16 posted on 01/14/2015 5:43:55 AM PST by Mich Patriot (Pitch black is the new "transparent.")
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The RFID isn't any more secure than the magenetic stripe - in fact it is LESS secure.

Not RFID, but Chip. My Chase card has that. Has to be physically inserted into the card reader at the bottom of the reader (most new ones have a slot for this at the bottom), cannot be read remotely, as it's not RFID.

It's exactly like what I have at work to log into my computer/network, in that I have to have something physical (the chip), and know something (the pin), in order for the card to work.

17 posted on 01/14/2015 5:47:41 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (Has anyone seen my tagline? It was here yesterday. I seem to have misplaced it.)
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To: IYAS9YAS; FreedomPoster
And what does a chip or a magnetic stripe do for you without a pin number?

My point is that the increased security is due to making people enter a four digit number. And to the best of my knowledge, ALL of the chips are RFIDS. They are claimed to be reduced sensitivity RFIDs so that supposedly they can't be read from a distance. But if they weren't "RADIO FREQUENCY identification devices", there would have to be contacts on the outside of your card.

18 posted on 01/14/2015 5:55:22 AM PST by I cannot think of a name
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To: I cannot think of a name
People can set up readers at a distance and gather data on exactly where you are going and when. These data will be used for the purposes of marketing and “fine tuning your shopping experience.”

Shades of the old cameras positioned for market research to determine how men select razor blades.

Gillette has some explaining to do, says CASPIAN July 21, 2003

Pick up a Gillette product at the store, and you could be photographed and tracked without your knowledge or consent, says CASPIAN (Consumers Against Supermarket Privacy Invasion and Numbering). The consumer group is asking for a complete explanation from Gillette after finding evidence of a Gillette Mach3 retail store spy system.

The evidence includes a slide presentation and video that demonstrate a "smart shelf" system fitted with radio frequency identification (RFID) devices. The shelf can sense when RFID tagged Gillette razor blade packages are removed from the shelf and, in response, take pictures of consumers handling them.

And yes, they will want to record how long consumer X is standing in this aisle or that one. Even Amazon likes to track what a consumer who bought product ABC also bought or looked at.

19 posted on 01/14/2015 5:55:28 AM PST by a fool in paradise (Shickl-Gruber's Big Lie gave us Hussein's Un-Affordable Care act (HUAC).)
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In support of what you are saying, and justifying the ‘paranoia’ ...

Due to my travels and role I have with the gummint as my customer, I have a US gummint-issued “Global Entry” card as well as other credentials that have an RFID chip in them.

They were issued to me *IN* a radio-opaque sleeve, with instructions to keep them there until needed for use.

This good advice comes from DHS and DoD.

While the RFID credit cards are arguably commercially secure, there is little point in enabling nearby readers to freely gain the info that is readily captured.

No need to ruin the chip when the sleeves and the RFID-proof wallet can be purchased at department and hi-tech stores.

http://www.walmart.com/c/kp/rfid-blocking-wallets

for example.


20 posted on 01/14/2015 5:57:17 AM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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