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Bill Gross’ Janus bond fund suffers highest monthly outflow in November
One America News Network ^ | December 8, 2015 | Jennifer Ablan

Posted on 12/08/2015 3:24:44 PM PST by sparklite2

In November, Soros Fund Management LLC, which billionaire investor George Soros chairs, pulled its roughly $500 million from an account run by Gross at Denver-based Janus Capital Group Inc .

The cash withdrawals are particularly significant for Gross as his Janus Global Unconstrained Bond Fund, which Gross began managing in October 2014, holds more than $700 million of Gross' personal money.

So far this year, the Janus Global Unconstrained Bond Fund is posting negative returns of 2.01 percent and lagging 72 percent of its peer category, according to Morningstar.

(Excerpt) Read more at oann.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: billgross; bonds
I had terrific returns from the Janus Twenty during the dotcom bubble and got out when they started to crash.

Managing a bond fund that has nearly a billion dollars of your own money, and getting a negative return doesn't inspire much confidence and Soros, evidently, sees the disease as spreading into the Capital Group. And when interest rates go up, as they will soon, guess what happens to bond valuations? Ouch.

1 posted on 12/08/2015 3:24:44 PM PST by sparklite2
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To: sparklite2

It bears watching what Soros does with his money, especially when he makes a big move. I imagine that he gets good insider info from the Obama admin, so maybe this is an indicator of an upcoming interest rate rise.

I wonder where Soros is putting that half billion? What might he be up to?


2 posted on 12/08/2015 3:41:32 PM PST by BeauBo
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To: sparklite2

How many basis points do you see rates increasing from this point by the end of 2016?


3 posted on 12/08/2015 4:20:36 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: sparklite2

Don’t worry, Bill’s hedged.


4 posted on 12/08/2015 4:24:01 PM PST by o_1_2_3__ (Obama lied, people died - Holiday Edition)
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To: Zhang Fei

They’ll keep the increase low unless the economy shows signs of strengthening early in the year.
By the end of next year, I look for interest rates to be two points higher that they are today.


5 posted on 12/08/2015 4:31:55 PM PST by sparklite2 (Islam = all bathwater, no baby.)
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To: o_1_2_3__

With the luck he’s had so far this year (-2 %), he’s probably heavy in K-cup shorts.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3369453/posts


6 posted on 12/08/2015 4:38:10 PM PST by sparklite2 (Islam = all bathwater, no baby.)
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To: sparklite2

People were warned a year ago to get out of bond funds, interest rates were going up - what took everyone so long.


7 posted on 12/08/2015 5:31:00 PM PST by 11th_VA
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Two points higher in a year? That would kill the housing industry and cause a recession ... In an election year ... Send thousands of Mexicans back over the border ... ( I looking for the down side, be patient)...


8 posted on 12/08/2015 5:34:03 PM PST by 11th_VA
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Back in the olden days, the stock market return anticipated for financial planning purposes was ten percent a year. For bonds, it was five percent. Five percent by the end of next year presupposes a normal economy, in theory. I don’t think anyone considers this economy normal, and though the markets will take a bump if Trump is elected, the economy itself won’t respond until the second quarter, IMO. It takes time to adjust practices and expectations need a foundation.

So, I don’t see a normal Fed rate until 2017. I’ll stick with two percent.


9 posted on 12/08/2015 5:47:35 PM PST by sparklite2 (Islam = all bathwater, no baby.)
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To: sparklite2
They’ll keep the increase low unless the economy shows signs of strengthening early in the year. By the end of next year, I look for interest rates to be two points higher that they are today.

200 bp is low? Yikes!

10 posted on 12/08/2015 6:22:26 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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If the interest rate is zero now, I think it will be 2 per cent by the end of next year. Shrug.


11 posted on 12/08/2015 6:43:09 PM PST by sparklite2 (Islam = all bathwater, no baby.)
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To: sparklite2

Gross wasn’t exactly on top of his game the last few years at Pimco either. Maybe he has just plain lost it.


12 posted on 12/09/2015 3:22:33 AM PST by DAC21 (.z)
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