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Rick Sanchez: Ted Cruz is not a natural born American, and neither am I
Fox News latino ^ | January 12, 2016 | Rick Sanchez

Posted on 01/17/2016 1:16:51 AM PST by RC one

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To: Bidimus1
I don't know if you are being intentionally dishonest, of if you as just a sloppy reader of law.

-- The laws 1790 being the first law written by the first Congress clearly states that those children born to US citizens over the seas or not within the boundaries of the United States are citizens of natural birth. --

Let's see what the law says.

And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens: Provided ... [conditional not relevant for this argument]
That is not a definition or an equivalence, even in plain usage. In fact, it is opposite. The thing described is not, by ordinary definition, the thing named, but for purposes of law we will pretend so. The language creates a legal fiction.
61 posted on 01/17/2016 3:36:36 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: cynwoody
According to the 14th amendment, All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.

I notice that Canada has birthright citizenship too btw.

Where was Ted Cruz born again?

I'll save you the trouble. he was born in Canada where he gained Candian citizenship by virtue of being born in Canada.

62 posted on 01/17/2016 3:38:04 AM PST by RC one (race baiting and demagoguery-if you're a Democrat it's what you do.)
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To: RC one
ie: the temporary nature of the work

Except that Cruz's mom stayed on in Canada for a few years after the divorce.

Accept it. The more we learn, the worse it looks for Cruz. If Cruz's situation were to be okay, we'd be opening ourselves to a whole lot of people without allegiance to the US being eligible, because of their circumstance being like Cruz's.

What a shame he gave up his Canadian citizenship. Perhaps Cruz would've been eligible for highest office there.

63 posted on 01/17/2016 3:38:15 AM PST by grania
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To: samtheman
What standing does the DNC have to mount a legal challenge?

Before you waste nay time doing the research, I'll answer it for you. They have no standing. More importantly, the U.S. Constitution gives no role to Federal courts in a case involving a constitutional interpretation in a presidential election. If a candidate is ineligible to serve, the recourse is for the Electoral College to refuse to seat him. The authority to deal with disputed elections ultimately rests with Congress, not the Federal courts.

64 posted on 01/17/2016 3:39:11 AM PST by Alberta's Child (My mama said: "To get things done, you'd better not mess with Major Tom.")
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To: Helicondelta

Tribe was one of Cruz’ law school professors?

Secondly, I fail to see where Trump or any of the others are wrong. I think even Tribe is saying here, that the matter is not resolved. If you’re an originalist, as Cruz is, then he is NOT eligible, if you are a living constitutionalist... he probably is eligible.

BOTTOM LINE, contrary to what Judge Napolitano says, it is NOT settled.


65 posted on 01/17/2016 3:40:32 AM PST by nikos1121 (December 25, 2016 will be the merriest Christmas of all for me.)
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To: Alberta's Child

It happens to be the standard in America... and in Canada....where Ted Cruz was born.


66 posted on 01/17/2016 3:40:39 AM PST by RC one (race baiting and demagoguery-if you're a Democrat it's what you do.)
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To: Alberta's Child
There is a live federal suit now. Plaintiff is a crank named "Schwartz."

Cruz will move for dismissal on standing, justicability and ripeness grounds. It is Cruz who controls whether or not the case is decided on the merits. He does not want a decision on the merits. He will lose, or the court will again subvert the constitution.

67 posted on 01/17/2016 3:41:44 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: grania

I feel like I want to like Ted Cruz but he has really put us in a dilemma here by refusing to face facts. He’s not stupid. he has to know what he’s doing.


68 posted on 01/17/2016 3:43:05 AM PST by RC one (race baiting and demagoguery-if you're a Democrat it's what you do.)
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To: RC one

I have a simple solution. Don’t allow pregnant women out of the country!


69 posted on 01/17/2016 3:46:36 AM PST by Dr. Ursus
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To: Alberta's Child

How many Americans have your knowledge of this subject? More than .001% or less than .001%?

All the DNC has to do is threaten to sue on this subject and it could strongly affect the outcome in the general election.


70 posted on 01/17/2016 3:47:27 AM PST by samtheman (Elect Trump, Build Wall. End Censorship.)
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To: RC one

This is a needless argument we are having and it will not go away. It will be argued, contested and litigated without end. This is a trap, set by who?; but it is a trap.

Consider this: The Constitution says “natural born citizen”. Period. That phrase has been under attack as much as “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

Now consider: A defense of “natural born citizen” for John McCain, Mitt Romney and now, Ted Cruz had to be made. I won’t even mention the half breed who has no valid proof. What is happening here is a deliberate attempt to undermine the Constitution and pave the way for someone who has no right to be President.

Cruz should do what is right for the country, not his ego. And Trump should back off. Stick to the issues that have dominated the campaign: illegal immigration, jobs, taxes. That’s a winner; this trap is not.


71 posted on 01/17/2016 3:50:13 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: Dr. Ursus

She was married, working, and raising her family in Canada. That’s not a vacation or any kind of temporary circumstance. She made a choice.


72 posted on 01/17/2016 3:52:06 AM PST by RC one (race baiting and demagoguery-if you're a Democrat it's what you do.)
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To: cynwoody
-- All in all, looking at that map, I'd say it's better to be on the list than off of it. --

I suppose you support anchor baby citizenship too.

73 posted on 01/17/2016 3:52:14 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

Excellent analogy, Cboldt


74 posted on 01/17/2016 3:52:46 AM PST by KGeorge
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To: NTHockey

Honestly, I think it’s just some Americans that are bringing it up and they’re bringing it up because they see it as being a threat as you have just suggested. It’s beyond Ted Cruz and Donald Trump.


75 posted on 01/17/2016 3:54:01 AM PST by RC one (race baiting and demagoguery-if you're a Democrat it's what you do.)
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To: cynwoody

Who issued Rixks BC ? The state department of the country of Cuba ?


76 posted on 01/17/2016 3:54:42 AM PST by hoosiermama (Make America Great Again by uniting Great Americans)
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To: RC one

Why not let anyone run for President? Illegals? Mexican Nationals, Syrians? Just dump that citizenship thing. Are we not all Citizens of the world? (sic)


77 posted on 01/17/2016 3:56:45 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll Onward! Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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To: Alberta's Child

The proper plaintiff could only be the American people.


78 posted on 01/17/2016 3:57:27 AM PST by KGeorge
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To: KGeorge

Thanks. Hey, there is a reason it’s called “con” law.


79 posted on 01/17/2016 3:58:38 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

YES. The camel’s nose in the tent


80 posted on 01/17/2016 3:59:41 AM PST by hoosiermama (Make America Great Again by uniting Great Americans)
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