Posted on 06/16/2016 10:15:26 AM PDT by William Tell
Here's a partial list of laws which were implemented to restrict Second Amendment rights in order to prevent criminal acts with firearms and which were obeyed by the shooter in Orlando.
1 Mateen was over 18 years old. 2 Mateen was a permanent U.S. resident. 3. Mateen was a resident of the state in which he purchased firearms. 4. Mateen filled out a federal firearms purchase record, 4473. 5. Mateen passed a background check. 6. Mateen had never been convicted of a domestic violence misdemeanor or any felony. 7. Mateen purchased a non automatic rifle. 8. Mateen purchased a rifle with a barrel of at least 16 inches and overall length of at least 26 inches. 9. Mateen was over 21 when he purchased handgun ammunition.
None of this will matter to the anti-gunners who are convinced that the next law will solve the problem.
I'm sure Freepers can help fill out this list with more details from the locales involved.
Given that he was also a licenced security guard, he probably would have passed waiting periods and other licencing related provisions anywhere in the United States and Canada (with our Firearms Possession and Acquisition Licences and Restricted Firearms permits, etc).
And that is why we need even more restrictions. Just cause you pass the smell test, doesn’t mean the after shave ain’t gonna wear off. That is what they’ll be pushing.
I was mostly interested in addressing the fact that many laws can be obeyed without having any impact on crimes at all. And yet, the anti-gunners will insist that we need yet one more law.
Perhaps we need a second list of laws he broke; such as, the laws against murder, the laws against having a gun in a gun-free zone, firing a weapon in what may have been an incorporated city, etc.
It’s not about gun control. To try to counter that argument falls into their trap.
It is about the feds failure to act in spite of the information made available to them.
DING...DING...DING...
WINNER!
The Feds seem to be actively preventing our laws working...kinda like immigration
I understand. However, Kalifornia has about 70 pages of anti-gun laws. Yet none of these laws stopped the San Bernardino shooting.
Mateen was a U.S. citizen. I am not in favor of stripping U.S. citizens of their rights. But it is my understanding that neither of Mateen's parents were born as U.S. citizens. The immigration error which allowed Mateen to be a U.S. citizen is now in the past and virtually uncorrectable.
I am very much against the lifetime prohibition against having guns for released felons. Creating second class citizens is a mistake which will come back to bite those of us who consider ourselves to be first-class citizens.
If whatever evidence the FBI had was insufficient to lock him up, then he gets the opportunity to murder innocents. If Mateen were not a U.S. citizen, then there might be value in figuring out how to deport such undesireables.
The Gateway Pundit was on talk radio today. He made the pount that ALL FBI investigations are subject to the DoJ (specifically the AG) directive on when to start an investigation, when to shut it down, and when to back off. It points back to the DoJ Lynch-mob, directing the FBI to be weasels and toothless pansies. Same reason Hillary’s crimes will go nowhere.
Perhaps a more concise statement on my part would have been if we allow what happened in Orlando to be framed by the left ( and many ion the right) primarily as a gun control issue without giving as much weight to the failed responsibilities of the feds, we will lose all the way around.
Local Orlando police today went to the house of Mateen`s female cousin, Alia Wetteshurtah. There they found an AR-15 which they promptly arrested and threw into the back of their Paddywagon. Upon arrival at the police station, the AR-15 was grilled for 15 hours by detectives. The AR-15 was silent, apparently taking the Fifth. A court-appointed public defender was allowed to speak with the AR-15. But the Orlando P.D. said that the AR-15 refused to cooperate and did not utter a sound. There are no known relatives of the AR-15 except a long distant older cousin, M-16, which the local police have attempting to locate and speak with. The AR-15 is being held on one million dollars bail. The police are attempting to find the extra rounds and extra magazines used by the AR-15 but the AR-15 is not speaking to them. A sign-language expert has been brought into the case to translate any signs or movements of the AR-15. Further developments will be announced as they happen. This is a cause for more politicians to call for more control of guns killing people, especially Lone Wolf Guns that go into nightclubs and kill people, i.e., gun control.
“None of this will matter to the anti-gunners who are convinced that the next law will solve the problem.”
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Unfortunately, I think you’re wrong. The anti-gunners will use this to argue that NO amount of gun laws can keep us safe. NO one can every be properly vetted.
Therefore...No one should be allowed to have guns. Except the .gov. And important politicians. And those politically connected. Etc...
That’s hilarious. :)
He was legalized and approved by our academic, political and business leadership.
Overreach by the anti-gunners serves us well, I think. It would get the attention of the duck hunters. Even Bill Clinton admits that their anti-gun moves resulted in the massive loss of Congress in 1994.
I am more concerned about incremental infringements. Kalifornia now has over 70 pages of anti-gun nonsense on the books. The Ninth Circuit recently disappointed us by ruling that there is no right to carry a handgun concealed in public. Conveniently they refused to rule on whether there was any right at all to carry in public.
With Scalia's passing, virtually everything rests on who appoints the next three or four Supreme Court justices. If it helps Trump to win in November, I would gladly let the anti-gunners use their unConstitutional no-fly list to deny some people the right to arms. It would create a great case for the Supreme Court.
With Scalia’s passing, virtually everything rests on who appoints the next three or four Supreme Court justices. If it helps Trump to win in November, I would gladly let the anti-gunners use their unConstitutional no-fly list to deny some people the right to arms. It would create a great case for the Supreme Court.
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Excellent point. I guess short of pushing through a registry or other irreversible measure, this can help us in the fall.
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