Posted on 09/03/2016 8:24:21 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
New studies have failed to find even a single positive benefit to spanking children and a near endless amount of horrible effects. Dr. Elizabeth Gershoff joins Stefan Molyneux to discuss her latest study, refuting the common pro-spanking arguments, why social justice warriors have nothing to do with less aggressive parenting, associating love with physical abuse and ending the escalating cycle of violence in relationships.
Dr. Elizabeth Gershoff is a developmental psychologist, in addition to being a Faculty Research Associate and Associate Professor of Human Development and Family Sciences at University of Texas at Austin. She recently published a revolutionary new study called “Spanking and Child Outcomes: Old Controversies and New Meta-Analyses.”
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Since 80% of parents spank, your assumption that lack of spanking is the reason for the snowflaked is unfounded.
One is discipline, one is abuse.
It is like saying all killing is murder. Totally untrue.
Who here said they love to hit their children?
Flawed argument.
The entire point is parents dont want to but out of a big picture love for their kid, know certain times require physical correction.
And know the difference between a spanking and out of control beating. If you cannot understand the dofference there is your problem.
Excellent exposé of Arthur’s straw
Exactly!
My mom only hit me one time .. the day I sort of whispered under my breath, “shut up”.
She whirled me around and let me have it across the face. I guarantee you I never said that to her again.
Now .. some people think my mom was wrong .. I don’t. I learned not to mouth off at my parents.
You have devolved into ranting posts and ad hoc attacks on parents.
Step back or FR will give you a time out.
I’m very proud and grateful you were saved despite atheist parents
I have five kids too and spanked all of them some
My oldest boy most
It works but I sure didn’t like it
A couple of them I spanked just to even it out so it didn’t seem concentrate solely on most guilty or most defiant
Talking to kids rarely is as effective except with perfect kids
How many times in my life have I heard a woman threaten an errant child in public and do nothing but talk and the kid knows this
Bad behaving kids know if they are disciplined someone cares and is paying attention
It’s like teaching manners where I live
Yes sir yes ma’am etc
Younger people who are married do not spank as a rule
They indulge
I do not for a second believe 80 percent
Parenting has gone to hell since the 50s
And it shows
Numbnuts want to know if male parent discipline works
Two pieces of evidence
No black daddies to discipline the boys
No discipline in most schools
And how has that worked out
I was spanked with a folded yardstick or belt or frat paddle
I used a big paint stirrer
I’m a believer
Hat tip Mr Dolenz
What a stupid person. And people who believe this are idiots of the highest order. NOTHING gets or got my kids attention faster than a spanking or threat of one. As a former child, I remember that myself.
And there are people who know, from their PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, that banging on pots and pans will stop the Moon from devouring the Sun.
My sons, who are fantastic citizens would disagree.
Your assertion that spanking does not have the negative effects of beating is directly contradicted by the research.
You have provided another example of what I am talking about: For some reason, on the subject of spanking, the gratuitous assertions blossom, and the entire scientific method is explicitly rejected.
Oh. So that’s how scientific research is done! You just point to two examples.
Maybe your sons would have turned out far better if you had not hit them. You don’t know.
The RESEARCH shows that spanking does a lot of harm, and does no good, no matter how your sons turned out.
I never said that anybody SAID they love to hit their children.
I surmised from the gibbering irrationality of most of the comments that people are too in love with hitting their children to discuss the matter like human beings.
The RESEARCH, as opposed to gratuitous assumptions, shows that spanking has the same negative effects as beating, and does NOT have positive effects.
Post 62. You said people are in love with hitting their children.
Liar.
Done with you.
I never said I DIDN’T say that people are in love with hitting their children.
I said that I never said that anybody SAID they were in love with hitting their children.
You misread what I said earlier, and you misread what I said later.
You need to learn to read.
Of course, it is to be expected that people who love to hit their children also love to post snarling, hateful comments on the internet. This thread has shown that in abundance.
Since having my son, I’ve decided that any rules for raising children are simply ideas, a “toolbox” if you will.
I was occasionally spanked as a kid. I certainly don’t think it was at all harmful. But I certainly was never beaten. My son is so sensitive about disapproval. At 4 years old, the word “naughty” can send him into such desperate tears, you’d think I must be somehow emotionally abusive. Quite the opposite: I am SO careful never to characterize *him* as bad, naughty, whatever, merely his actions. And my wife leaves the discipline up to me, so it’s not from her. It’s simply his personality.
The only problem is that he likes to play, and he teases. So sometimes it’s hard to figure out how to tell him to stop playing around when the use of a mere word is “going nuclear.”
Oh, and he’s the furthest thing from a “snowflake.” I’ve raised him to be very rough and tumble because I wish I had been a little bit moreso.
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