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The notion that beating people repeatedly is okay, provided they are too small to defend themselves, is clearly an anti-civilizational idea.
1 posted on 09/03/2016 8:24:22 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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And yet kids that are spanked end up as civilized adults.

Those who are not are barbarians.

2 posted on 09/03/2016 8:27:24 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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So they are anti S and M. Got it.


3 posted on 09/03/2016 8:28:35 PM PDT by xp38
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Physical punishment is only effective if used sparingly.

Most parents don't need some book by some "professional" to tell them how to properly raise their kids.

Having said that, how a parent disciplines their child is nobody else's concern. Only in cases supported by compelling evidence should a parent ever be interfered with.

How did we ever survive without such "experts" for thousands of years of human history?

Vote Trump!

4 posted on 09/03/2016 8:30:04 PM PDT by sargon (Anyone AWOL in the battle against Hillary is not a patriot. It's that simple.)
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Why Spanking Does Not Work | Elizabeth Gershoff and Stefan Molyneux

Here's a musical message from someone who feels otherwise.

5 posted on 09/03/2016 8:30:19 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Vote GOP: A Slower Handbasket)
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I would wager that judicious use of physical punishment is not considered in these “studies”.

Spanking has been seen as effective for millennia.

I suspect that they are using a different definition of “a single positive benefit” (isn’t that redundant?)

They could not find a single case where a child was spanked and the spanking reduced the number of times the child engaged in the bad behavior?

It strains my credulity.


7 posted on 09/03/2016 8:31:52 PM PDT by marktwain
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I doubt that The Greatest Generation was spared the rod. May be that is why they were great. Compare The Greatest Generation to the Snowflake Generation. Sad, very sad.


8 posted on 09/03/2016 8:35:01 PM PDT by Chgogal (A woman who votes for Hillary is voting with her vagina and not her brain.)
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What’s your opinion of telling children who are intellectually too young to reason that they are going to hell if they don’t believe the stories they’re told in Sunday School?


9 posted on 09/03/2016 8:35:04 PM PDT by sparklite2 (The game overs whether you play it or not.)
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The child in my charge does punishment exercises. If you are not going to be smart, you need to be strong. I have had the cops called on me for doing it too. I ask the officers if they had to do punishment exercises I the police academy. They all say yes. I then ask if doing those exercises was abusive or illegal. Everyone one of them laughs and walks away.


13 posted on 09/03/2016 8:43:32 PM PDT by rey
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Typical liberal.....start out with a premise that is inaccurate to begin with and then go on to prove that premise.


15 posted on 09/03/2016 8:44:04 PM PDT by traderrob6
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I never had to hit my two children, but they begged me to please whack them rather than have to listen to my verbal assaults on their bad behavior. They had boundaries, which is what a lot of kids haven’t had for the last forty years or so. This topic reminded me of the WUPPASS Academy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejE9FN82O2s


19 posted on 09/03/2016 8:46:12 PM PDT by Sioux-san
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This is utter nonsense.


20 posted on 09/03/2016 8:46:45 PM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

— Proverbs 13:24

Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. / Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell (She’ol).

— Proverbs 23:13-14
Left-wing society keeps denying that, and we all keep reaping the consequences.
21 posted on 09/03/2016 8:48:43 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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Yes...yes it does.

Done effectively, the mere fear of being hit will be enough to keep most children respectful, especially into adulthood.

Wanna know who wasn’t hit? Liberals who rant and rave and throw tantrums like children. They learned long ago it worked and didn’t bother to develop any further. One or two smacks when they were 6 and they just might be productive adults.


22 posted on 09/03/2016 8:54:31 PM PDT by Mjreagan
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Ok, spanking is a part of a punishment arsenal. You can spank, you can scold, you can withhold, you can threaten, you can yell, you can guilt, and you can explain. There are lots of tools in the parental tool belt. And you should use the correct tool with discretion. Personally I used spanking on points that I needed to make clearly and strongly. When my kid was trying to stuff a paper clip in a light socket. When my kid was running across the street. Those were times when I did not want my kid to test me or get it wrong. And since my kid had never been spanked she really got the message that this was something really bad.

I also, spanked my oldest child because she thought she could hit the rest of the kids. After a bunch of yelling and explaining and sitting on the stairs, we simply smacked the kid like she was smacking her younger siblings. Problem solved and the other kids were very happy.

But, let me warn you. A kid will be able to take a spanking if spanking is used too much. And since its your last card, you are now out of ammo. Good luck. The kid will know he has taken your worst and he will be empowered. So, I advise that you use spanking as a last resort or an explanation mark. To get across the point that something is really wrong.

Also, kids can handle spanking. Its not the worst you can do to your child. Withholding love or respect, belittling them, or guilting them endlessly is likely to have longer lasting negative effects. Punishment is not as effective as positive reinforcement. However, every parent knows. Positive reinforcement does not work all the time with all the children.


23 posted on 09/03/2016 8:54:35 PM PDT by poinq
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It worked on me. I rarely was spanked but when I was it was totally justified, and it did adjust my attitude.

I also remember well my PE coach. When a couple of kids where out of control, I was one. He would decide that each needed a licking. He would give the paddle to one to give give the licking to the other. The first thing that went through your mind was I do not like that SOB, the second thing that went through your mind is if I take it easy on him he may not take it easy on me. I wacked the Bast—d as hard as I could. He did the same to me.

My instructors logic worked! Both our asses hurt.


24 posted on 09/03/2016 8:54:49 PM PDT by cpdiii (DECKHAND ROUGHNECK MUDMAN GEOLOGIST PILOT PHARMACIST LIBERTARIAN , CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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Thanks for posting this! My parents ALWAYS negotiated with me and my sibling.

PS - Trump did not spank his children, and I believe that’s one of the many reasons Stefan likes him.


28 posted on 09/03/2016 8:57:02 PM PDT by Voluntaryist
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The notion that a priest doesn’t believe the Scriptures would have surprised me before I came to FR.


33 posted on 09/03/2016 9:00:44 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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Proverbs 13:24 is one of the most misunderstood passages in the Bible.

A firm swat on the butt when junior is being a brat is sometimes necessary to teach the child that “your yes means yes, and your no means no.” Matt. 5:37
Yanking a child’s arm out of socket, beating in anger or cursing at a child —when the adult is having a bad day —is not ok.


38 posted on 09/03/2016 9:07:02 PM PDT by mumblypeg (Make America Sane Again.)
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If it did not work God would not prescribe it. He does not require us to do it all the time or a lot or whatever, but it is biblical discipline. He did not make an error. I’ll believe the bible over and against a bunch of atheist sociologists.


40 posted on 09/03/2016 9:09:05 PM PDT by Persevero (NUTS)
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Proverbs 13:24 warns against sparing the rod.


46 posted on 09/03/2016 9:18:35 PM PDT by Amendment10
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