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Rock strata dating suggests planetary orbital effects on climate
warrsupwiththat? ^ | / 2 days ago February 24, 2017 | Anthony Watts

Posted on 02/26/2017 5:21:35 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

From the University of Wisconsin

From rocks in Colorado, evidence of a ‘chaotic solar system’

Plumbing a 90 million-year-old layer cake of sedimentary rock in Colorado, a team of scientists from the University of Wisconsin–Madison and Northwestern University has found evidence confirming a critical theory of how the planets in our solar system behave in their orbits around the sun.

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Alternating layers of shale and limestone near Big Bend, Texas, characteristic of the rock laid down at the bottom of a shallow ocean during the late Cretaceous period. The rock holds definitive geologic evidence that the planets in our solar system behave differently than the prevailing theory that the they orbit like clockwork in a quasiperiodic manner. PHOTO: BRADLEY SAGEMAN

The finding, published Feb. 23, 2017 in the journal Nature, is important because it provides the first hard proof for what scientists call the “chaotic solar system,” a theory proposed in 1989 to account for small variations in the present conditions of the solar system. The variations, playing out over many millions of years, produce big changes in our planet’s climate — changes that can be reflected in the rocks that record Earth’s history.

Photo: Stephen Meyers

Geoscience Professor Stephen Meyers. © GIGI COHEN

The discovery promises not only a better understanding of the mechanics of the solar system, but also a more precise measuring stick for geologic time. Moreover, it offers a better understanding of the link between orbital variations and climate change over geologic time scales.

Using evidence from alternating layers of limestone and shale laid down over millions of years in a shallow North American seaway at the time dinosaurs held sway on Earth, the team led by UW–Madison Professor of Geoscience Stephen Meyers and Northwestern University Professor of Earth and Planetary Sciences Brad Sageman discovered the 87 million-year-old signature of a “resonance transition” between Mars and Earth. A resonance transition is the consequence of the “butterfly effect” in chaos theory. It plays on the idea that small changes in the initial conditions of a nonlinear system can have large effects over time.

In the context of the solar system, the phenomenon occurs when two orbiting bodies periodically tug at one another, as occurs when a planet in its track around the sun passes in relative proximity to another planet in its own orbit. These small but regular ticks in a planet’s orbit can exert big changes on the location and orientation of a planet on its axis relative to the sun and, accordingly, change the amount of solar radiation a planet receives over a given area. Where and how much solar radiation a planet gets is a key driver of climate.

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Chaotic Solar System

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This animation shows a chaotic solar system and changing planetary orbits playing out over billions of years, illustrating the slight chance in the distant future of planetary collisions. Geologic evidence was recently found to confirm the idea that the planets in our solar system do not orbit the sun like clockwork in a quasiperiodic manner, as has been believed since the 18th century. Credit: Jacques Laskar

“The impact of astronomical cycles on climate can be quite large,” explains Meyers, noting as an example the pacing of the Earth’s ice ages, which have been reliably matched to periodic changes in the shape of Earth’s orbit, and the tilt of our planet on its axis. “Astronomical theory permits a very detailed evaluation of past climate events that may provide an analog for future climate.”

To find the signature of a resonance transition, Meyers, Sageman and UW–Madison graduate student Chao Ma, whose dissertation work this comprises, looked to the geologic record in what is known as the Niobrara Formation in Colorado. The formation was laid down layer by layer over tens of millions of years as sediment was deposited on the bottom of a vast seaway known as the Cretaceous Western Interior Seaway. The shallow ocean stretched from what is now the Arctic Ocean to the Gulf of Mexico, separating the eastern and western portions of North America.

“The Niobrara Formation exhibits pronounced rhythmic rock layering due to changes in the relative abundance of clay and calcium carbonate,” notes Meyers, an authority on astrochronology, which utilizes astronomical cycles to measure geologic time. “The source of the clay (laid down as shale) is from weathering of the land surface and the influx of clay to the seaway via rivers. The source of the calcium carbonate (limestone) is the shells of organisms, mostly microscopic, that lived in the water column.”

The finding is important because it provides the first hard proof for the “chaotic solar system,” a theory proposed in 1989 to account for small variations in the present conditions of the solar system.

Meyers explains that while the link between climate change and sedimentation can be complex, the basic idea is simple: “Climate change influences the relative delivery of clay versus calcium carbonate, recording the astronomical signal in the process. For example, imagine a very warm and wet climate state that pumps clay into the seaway via rivers, producing a clay-rich rock or shale, alternating with a drier and cooler climate state which pumps less clay into the seaway and produces a calcium carbonate-rich rock or limestone.”

The new study was supported by grants from the National Science Foundation. It builds on a meticulous stratigraphic record and important astrochronologic studies of the Niobrara Formation, the latter conducted in the dissertation work of Robert Locklair, a former student of Sageman’s at Northwestern.

Dating of the Mars-Earth resonance transition found by Ma, Meyers and Sageman was confirmed by radioisotopic dating, a method for dating the absolute ages of rocks using known rates of radioactive decay of elements in the rocks. In recent years, major advances in the accuracy and precision of radioisotopic dating, devised by UW–Madison geoscience Professor Bradley Singer and others, have been introduced and contribute to the dating of the resonance transition.

“Other studies have suggested the presence of chaos based on geologic data. But this is the first unambiguous evidence …”

Stephen Meyers

The motions of the planets around the sun has been a subject of deep scientific interest since the advent of the heliocentric theory — the idea that the Earth and planets revolve around the sun — in the 16th century. From the 18th century, the dominant view of the solar system was that the planets orbited the sun like clockwork, having quasiperiodic and highly predictable orbits. In 1988, however, numerical calculations of the outer planets showed Pluto’s orbit to be “chaotic” and the idea of a chaotic solar system was proposed in 1989 by astronomer Jacques Laskar, now at the Paris Observatory.

Following Laskar’s proposal of a chaotic solar system, scientists have been looking in earnest for definitive evidence that would support the idea, says Meyers.

“Other studies have suggested the presence of chaos based on geologic data,” says Meyers. “But this is the first unambiguous evidence, made possible by the availability of high-quality, radioisotopic dates and the strong astronomical signal preserved in the rocks.”

– See more at: http://news.wisc.edu/from-rocks-in-colorado-evidence-of-a-chaotic-solar-system/#sthash.vtKvXCKY.dpuf

h/t to Joe D’Aleo


TOPICS: Astronomy; Conspiracy; Science
KEYWORDS: agw; chaos; chaostheory; climatechange; niobraraformation; orbit; orbitalmechanics; pluto; strata
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Really? The strength of the gravitational force from Mars is incredibly small. How can they realistically justify some kind of resonance condition? I say this is fake science!


21 posted on 02/26/2017 7:30:54 PM PST by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless, indisputable clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Third quarter Calculus is a good starting point.
Vector analysis and (real) differential equations still make my hair hurt.

Glad you enjoyed the film.

Regards,
HLB


22 posted on 02/26/2017 7:32:36 PM PST by HippyLoggerBiker (Always carry a flagon of whiskey in case of snakebite and furthermore always carry a small snake.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

What? You mean changing weather is a fully NATURAL phenomenon over which man has almost no impact?

Gee, who would have guessed.

Great to see that confirmed through discoveries such as this, but I just rabidly can’t wait to see the HOAX of anthropogenic global warming theory severely debunked, and the sooner the better!


23 posted on 02/26/2017 8:32:54 PM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (The GOP will see the light, because Trump will make them feel the heat.it is hugh and series)
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To: DennisR

I’m with you.


24 posted on 02/26/2017 8:35:54 PM PST by crusty old prospector
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

So....Velikovsky was right, but for the wrong reasons?


25 posted on 02/26/2017 9:02:52 PM PST by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

CHAOS Happens.


26 posted on 02/26/2017 9:50:02 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Monthly Donors Rock!!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

ping


27 posted on 02/27/2017 3:06:56 AM PST by razorback-bert (Due to the high price of ammo, no warning shot will be fired.)
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Wonderful article.

Now I understand my bowling balls tendency to avoid the pins.


28 posted on 02/27/2017 3:46:45 AM PST by Clutch Martin (Hot sauce aside, every culture has its pancake, just as every culture has its noodle.)
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To: DennisR
The strength of the gravitational force from Mars is incredibly small. How can they realistically justify some kind of resonance condition?

That's the whole concept behind Chaos theory. Small fluctuations can change things greatly over time.

Say for example, that the gravitational pull of Mars moved the earth 1mm per year. Over a few hundred million years, it would have moved it a few hundred million millimeters. On top of that, when earth is moved a few hundred million millimeters, the movement could accelerate from 1mm per year in my example to 2mm per year.

I'm obviously picking numbers out of the air, but you get my point.

29 posted on 02/27/2017 1:00:48 PM PST by BlueMondaySkipper (Involuntarily subsidizing the parasite class since 1981)
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To: PAR35; Ernest_at_the_Beach
"Well, Colorado, Texas. What difference does it make. They are both just flyover country."

That was one big oceanic segment. We routinely found fossilized shark's teeth 100 yards from our home in Sherman (north central) Texas. And, when you're at the parking lot at Carlsbad Caverns, New Mexico, you're standing on an ancient seashore-- looking out across that same ocean basin.

I haven't looked for specific evidence of it in Colorado, but, would not be surprised if others have found such evidence there.

FWIW, this:

San Jacinto Monument -- at the battleground where Texians kicked the Mexicans out of Texas -- and taller than the Washington Monument -- is built of this:

..."Texas Fossiliferous Limestone" from Central Texas. (Limestone from one of those "dry period" layers mentioned in the article...)

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[LOL! I Just inspired myself to revive an old tagline...] '-)

30 posted on 02/28/2017 10:25:48 AM PST by TXnMA (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! REPEAT San Jacinto!!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
LOL! That photo of the Rio Grande (with Texas on the right) reminded me that there are significant stretches of Texas Border -- where Trump won't have to build our Wall... '-)
31 posted on 02/28/2017 10:32:42 AM PST by TXnMA (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! REPEAT San Jacinto!!!)
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