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Order Tea or Tea Order (The Milk Debate)
Varsity (U.K.) ^ | Wednesday June 21 2017 | Aditya Guha

Posted on 07/14/2017 5:17:46 PM PDT by nickcarraway

Aditya Guha puts his taste buds to test to check if we can distinguish whether you put milk first in your tea

With a slew of formals and May Balls being organised by societies to mark the end of the academic year, you couldn’t possibly be more nervous about being judged on tea etiquette. Gowns can be rented for a special day. A white (or black) bowtie could be borrowed from that dependable friend. But what if you strike up a conversation with a Cambridge don (with possibly an OBE to boot!) at one of these events and don’t know whether to add the tea or milk infusion first to the sparkling bone-china. There ends your reputation. This question is so sensitive that celebrated English tea connoisseur (and writer) George Orwell famously described himself as a tea-before-milk person. Here we try to assuage such fears by approaching this quintessential question from the perspective of a mathematician. Does it really matter whether you add tea or milk first and can your taste buds detect such an order?

8 cups of tea were to be presented to a subject with 4 of them having tea poured first. The story goes that on a particularly unremarkable summer afternoon (probably not very different from today) in Cambridge in the 1920s, Caius alum, Ronald Fischer devised his eponymous test. 8 cups of tea were to be presented to a subject with 4 of them having tea poured first while the other 4 having milk first in various concentrations. The subject would be told in advance that she would be asked to taste eight cups and that there would be four of each kind.

There exists 8!/(4!4!)=70 distinct possible orderings of these cups. By telling the subject in advance that there are four cups of each type we guarantee that the answer will include four of each. Next, we compare whether the subject can detect any better than random chance which is 4 out of the 8 cases or exactly 50%. We can compute the probability of a sample of correct detections of tea or milk first using Fischer’s exact test or a hypergeometric test (not the binomial test, since the events are no longer independent).

This is compared with the so-called p-value to the null hypothesis. In this case, the null hypothesis is: The lady is not right any more than random chance would allow.

In a hypothetical scenario, in which 8 cups were offered and the subject guessed correctly 6 times, the p-value is approximately 24% (17/70). In a purely randomised guessing environment, the subject would be expected to guess as well as she did 24% of the time. Usually, we consider a significance level of 0.05 (5%) as an informal rule to disprove the null hypothesis. Therefore, the above p-value of 24% is considered insignificant. On the other hand, a greater deviation from randomness (such as guessing all tea cups right or wrong) would be described as significant, and a significant deviation would have the function of rejecting the null hypothesis.

The null hypothesis is: The lady is not right any more than random chance would allow. In an actual scenario, an algae researcher (phycologist) named Dr Muriel Bristol working in Hertfordshire took Fischer’s test and legendarily got all 8 cases correct. The p-value for this test result for Dr Bristol was 1/70, or 1.4%: a 'significant value', in terms of statistics. In doing so, she beat Sir Fisher’s stated odds, and he rejected his null hypothesis.

It is not possible to prove that she would never be wrong because if a sufficiently large number of cups of tea were offered, a single failure would disprove such a hypothesis. However, a test that she is never right can be disproven, within a certain margin of uncertainty, given the number of cups offered. And that is what we did here.

Finally, we pour a bit of chemistry for taste to the above resolution to explain why this taste change occurs at all. It appears that the degree of denaturation of proteins with heat is what causes the taste difference in pour order which we proved above could be distinguished by at least one person, at least some of the time

TOPICS: Food; History; Local News
KEYWORDS: britain; milk; tea
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1 posted on 07/14/2017 5:17:47 PM PDT by nickcarraway

To: nickcarraway

Everyone knows the creme goes in first, then the tea.

2 posted on 07/14/2017 5:20:10 PM PDT by Excellence (Marine mom since April 11, 2014)

To: nickcarraway

Who puts milk in tea??

3 posted on 07/14/2017 5:26:58 PM PDT by Larry Lucido (Take Covfefe Ree Zig!)

To: nickcarraway

Cream or Creamer FIRST, then the hot stuff.

4 posted on 07/14/2017 5:32:45 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set!)

To: Larry Lucido

The Brits.

Best cup of tea I had was after having my first son in the UK. (Tea with milk and one teaspoon of sugar). They serve it right after birthing. Other than that...

The NHS sucks.

5 posted on 07/14/2017 5:34:29 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear

To: nickcarraway
Black Coffee. Black Tea

Everything else is racist

6 posted on 07/14/2017 5:35:01 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is EVIL and needs to be eradicated)

To: Diana in Wisconsin

Just be careful not to curdle the milk. :)

7 posted on 07/14/2017 5:35:52 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear

To: Excellence

“Everyone knows the creme goes in first, then the tea.”

No,no.no-——milk,(not cream) goes in second.:-)

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8 posted on 07/14/2017 5:37:06 PM PDT by Mears

To: Larry Lucido

Not me.

9 posted on 07/14/2017 5:43:09 PM PDT by nickcarraway

To: nickcarraway

Do as you oughter, add acid to water.

10 posted on 07/14/2017 5:43:15 PM PDT by kaehurowing

To: nickcarraway
Usually, we consider a significance level of 0.05 (5%) as an informal rule to disprove the null hypothesis. Therefore, the above p-value of 24% is considered insignificant.

11 posted on 07/14/2017 5:45:06 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Islam: You have to just love a "religion" based on rape and sex slavery.)

To: Larry Lucido

I do.

12 posted on 07/14/2017 5:50:22 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Vacate the chair! Ryan must go.)

To: nickcarraway

I once shared an office with a statistician. She decided to go for a PhD in statistics, and this was one of the problems in her coursework. She had a heck of a time explaining the nature of the problem, though, because the order in which the cups are presented doesn’t seem to make much difference to me. Apparently, for the statistician, it makes a difference whether the blue cup is offered before or after the red cup, independently of whether the tea or milk was added first.

For what it’s worth, I almost always put the milk in last, tea or coffee...

13 posted on 07/14/2017 5:54:33 PM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)

To: ClearCase_guy

I need a “Caucasian”

14 posted on 07/14/2017 6:02:39 PM PDT by Big Red Badger (UNSCANABLE in an IDIOCRACY!)

To: nickcarraway
How about Texas tea? You can get that from your local tea man--and although it's strong, you don't normally take it with milk.
15 posted on 07/14/2017 6:03:34 PM PDT by Fiji Hill

To: Excellence

I’ve read that this custom started for a most practical reason. Tea was usually served in bone china cups, and starting with the milk ensured the hot tea would not crack the thin cups.

16 posted on 07/14/2017 6:06:11 PM PDT by dorothy

To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

I’m a coffee drinker and I’m not boiling it on the stove like Grandma used to. Though I DID learn to drink coffee (with lots of milk, no sugar) at her Kitchen Table when I was about 4 years old. I never looked back! (Miss You, Grandma! Every. Day.)

I WILL admit that when we have tea it is decaf (Constant Comment) in the dead of winter to warm up after a long day of outside winter chores. I THEN put the cream in AFTER the tea is in my mug. :)

17 posted on 07/14/2017 6:20:03 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set!)

To: Diana in Wisconsin

LOVE Constant Comment! Soooo yummy.....like Russiam Tea.

18 posted on 07/14/2017 6:47:44 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear

To: nickcarraway

I probably have 5-8 cups per day. I always put milk in after as I brew tea in the cup. Hot water is needed to get the good parts from the tea. I then cool it down and reduce tannic acid with milk.

19 posted on 07/14/2017 8:07:54 PM PDT by posterchild (Science makes the Dr. see what is not, and prevents him from seeing what is clear to everyone else)

To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

I don’t do milk/cream but I only do British tea! They do know how to do tea. Earl grey rocks!

20 posted on 07/14/2017 8:18:39 PM PDT by grame (May you know more of the love of God Almighty this day!)